Patrick Cripps - The Captain

[Aido97]

Crippa has been an absolute superstar for Carlton for a long period of time. I think he is close to the end with all the wear and tear but as a neutral he has been one of my favourites. Genuinely hard good footballer and not an uber flog off -field. There is no denying he will be an AFL hall of famer and deservedly so.

I was talking to mates recently and we were debating the legacy he will leave at Carlton as a captain. During his time in charge the group has floundered and underperformed dramatically. For awhile there they had some genuine top end talent the envy of the comp however never really got the most out of the role players. Crippa played well each week but never seemed to inspire others to lead or lift others to the extent the great captains do. The culture has been rotten for some time and the all too familiar fade outs cant be squarely placed on the captain or the coach but they do reflect a lack of leadership continually getting beaten in the same manner.

Im not sure of the inner workings at Carlton to know if there is a readily identifiable heir apparent but my view is Cripps will be remembered as a poor leader. Interested to hear others thoughts

 

[ThatsjustDappa]

Yes, he's no Balta....

 

[Magpie Since 1986]

He's right up there with names like Richard Vandenberg

Richard Vandenberg

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49

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178cm

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84kg

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Mid

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15.2

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9.1

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6.1

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2.9

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2.5

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6.6

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5.0

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1.6

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1.0

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1.4

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and Jack Trengove

Jack Trengove

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34

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186cm

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85kg

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Def

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18.5

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9.4

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4.5

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188.9

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20.6

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8.6

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12.0

5star

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3.4

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3.6

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[PerthBoy86]

He's a reminder that a good player doesn't necessarily make a good captain. Feel a bit sorry for him, but footy is a team sport, many great players never won one or even game close (while many spuds did).

 

[Aido97]

Yes, he's no Balta....

Balta has never been in the leadership group let alone captain. Strange melt

 

[OneohtrixPointNever]

Carried the load for a long period of time but the club needs to move past him as captain.

He's always been tough on the field but I don't see him as the type of guy to call his teammates into line. You can't blame him. He walked into the club with Marc Murphy as his captain and throughout his entire tenure the club has struggled for leadership and left too much to too few - which is at pretty much every level: coaches, teammates etc.

There is a culture of individuals being signposted and expected to lift the entire club. Over his time that has been Judd, Murphy, Curnow, Brian Cook and now Graeme Wright is going through the same tribulations early on in his tenure.

Even our gameplan is pretty much built around his ability at the stoppages. When things are at their best he can dominate - but that's clearly not a sustainable way to play and we're crippling ourselves trying to replicate a formula that has never been effective over the course of a season.

The club should be looking to import leadership over the off-season and I'd be having an honest conversation with Cripps about where he wants to be at. His form has declined over the past couple of seasons and he needs to be somewhere he doesn't have the same level of importance. You look at the impact Jack Steele

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Jack Steele

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30

Ht

187cm

Wt

90kg

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Mid

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20.9

5star

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8.7

3star

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12.2

5star

M

3.7

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T

6.8

5star

CL

3.6

5star

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21.3

5star

K

10.0

4star

HB

11.3

5star

M

4.0

4star

T

5.8

5star

CL

4.6

5star

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16.8

4star

K

5.0

2star

HB

11.8

5star

M

2.6

3star

T

6.4

5star

CL

3.6

5star

is having at the Dees and maybe he needs to head somewhere unfamiliar and be expected him to perform his role, and no more. His days of being a gamebreaking mid are over.

Doubt he will ever consider it, I just think he's owed a break after a long career putting the team on his back.

 

[PhatBoy]

People need to remember that you can be a non-great/champion leader without being a ‘bad’ leader.

You can just be an okay one. Which he probably fits the description of.

 

[Pinnell]

Been our best captain since Kernahan. Pity he will never see success with us.

 

[Aido97]

Been our best captain since Kernahan. Pity he will never see success with us.

What makes you say that? As a player he’s been great but as a side you’ve consistently underperformed and he hasn’t been able to bring egos into check and the culture under him has been ordinary

 

[Magpie Since 1986]

Been our best captain since Kernahan. Pity he will never see success with us.

You seriously think he's a better captain than Judd ? Laughable .

 

[Occidental]

Great player in a rubbish club. Only so much he can do. Dominated games, wins Brownlow’s…. what are his team mates doing?

 

[Gavin Excell]

Basically invisible in those last qtr fade outs this year

 

[Xtreme]

Neck and neck with GAJR as the worst captain of an AFL side

 

[DZ4]

Cripps has has been the constant through four (soon to be five) coaches, dozens of assistants and probably 100+ players. 5+ years of mental lapses and a list that underperformed for basically his whole career and tenure as captain outside of a 30 game patch during 23-24. Most recently the Elijah drama which I don’t believe a good leader would stand by and let happen.

The evidence is there that he is a poor captain. That’s not to say he wasn’t trying his guts out the whole time or that he isn’t a champion, just that not everyone is cut out for leadership. Part of that falls on the club for throwing too much on him too early and more generally just being a shit show. His likely successor Walsh came to the club looking every bit a future AFL captain and now he looks an uninspiring choice. It’s just what we do to players.

 

[JustaBattler]

In a team chock a block full of softies the last thing you need is a Captian who wants to be loved by everyone and also the owner of a below average footy brain. Great captians are on field coaches forst and you see them to great individual things only when the team needs a lift. Som of the players he has had to play with couldn tbe lifted by a Saturn 5 rocket launcher.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

Neck and neck with GAJR as the worst captain of an AFL side

Your current captains are James Sicily and Jai Newcombe...

 

[Xtreme]

Your current captains are James Sicily and Jai Newcombe...

Leaps and bounds better than Cripps and his one way running



Game there to be won and Cripps too lazy to chase the Wizard down.

 

[north_lad]

Your current captains are James Sicily and Jai Newcombe...

Belting campaigners for no reason is leadership gold at the hawks

 

[FlowersByIrene]

Leaps and bounds better than Cripps and his one way running



Game there to be won and Cripps too lazy to chase the Wizard down.

Nice fantasy bro. Just a reminder, this Hawthorn team has done just as much as nothing as Carlton has done during Cripps' tenure.

 

[Xtreme]

Nice fantasy bro.

No fantasy, the youtube video I posted showed Cripps not even trying to chase the Wizard. He also won 2 of the most undeserving brownlows in the history of the brownlow medal.

 

[PhatBoy]

No fantasy, the youtube video I posted showed Cripps not even trying to chase the Wizard. He also won 2 of the most undeserving brownlows in the history of the brownlow medal.

Is there a chance you could just leave one thread that you enter uninfected instead of turning it into the forum equivalent of a dysentery victim in a slum in a third world city somewhere near the equator or is it just mandatory for you by this point?

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Your current captains are James Sicily and Jai Newcombe...

Hawthorn will achieve nothing while Sicily is captain. Too reckless and too emotional.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

No fantasy, the youtube video I posted showed Cripps not even trying to chase the Wizard. He also won 2 of the most undeserving brownlows in the history of the brownlow medal.

Those comments might be relevant if you were comparing any other captain in the league..

Yours are a thug who isn't even in the top 3 defenders at your club, and a glorified VFL player who dreams of polling in the Brownlow, let alone winning two.

 

[Xtreme]

Those comments might be relevant if you were defining any other captain in the league..

Just stating cold hard facts. Cripps doesnt do the hard yards or inspire his team to lift when it matters.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

Just stating cold hard facts. Cripps doesnt do the hard yards or inspire his team to lift when it matters.

Yet Sicily and Newcombe, who you say are better, have equally won nothing when it matters - and in fact have won less than Cripps on every single metric.