Patrick Dangerfield - potential GOAT?

[Judd2Sewell]

Well, that was Danger winding back the clock to play at his absolute most dominant best.

Sometimes you just have to marvel at all-time greats doing all-time great things. What a player he has been.

I'm sure other supporters can relate when they watched guys like GAJ, Dusty, Hodge, Buddy, etc. put up huge finals performances over the years against their teams.

 

[Former Decathlete]

So many wonderful players over the years.
Would you pick prime Dangerfield or McLeod heading into a grand final?

Daicos Sr, Voss, Williams, Franklin, Matera, Quinlan, Flower and that's before we start getting to the likes of Carey, Ablett, Matthews, Nicholls, Bartlett, Reynolds, Whitten, Lockett, Hird etc.

You are right. He's in the conversation with McLeod (and Ricciuto). Marginally ahead maybe.

Behind Matthews , Lockett, Albert Sr, Carey, and a few others..

Id find a way to sneak him in the top 10 OAT somehow.

 

[TheEscapeClub]

It is beyond clear that he will be in the hall of fame, could danger reach legend status

No, I don't think so.

 

[iameviljez]

I agree but we are talking some seriously great footballer's here.
Guys who played in an era where they were targeted behind the play and still delivered on a regular basis.

Dangerfield is now one of the best players of his generation.

Only Bontempelli has a chance of surpassing Dangerfield as he enters 30+ years of age and likely to feature in a lot of finals at the backend of his career.

I agree - he's that good that we're now reduced to cross-generational comparisons, which is almost impossible.

Danger, Fyfe and Bont look head and shoulders above the others in this generation (being a little generous with ages), in the same way that Lockett, Carey and Ablett Sr were in theirs.

 

[iameviljez]

It is beyond clear that he will be in the hall of fame, could danger reach legend status

He would need to have a pretty storied coaching career for that to happen.

 

[Seeds]

You are right. He's in the conversation with McLeod (and Ricciuto). Marginally ahead maybe.

Behind Matthews , Lockett, Albert Sr, Carey, and a few others..

Id find a way to sneak him in the top 10 OAT somehow.

Riccuitos not in the conversation. Take d jarman over riccuito.

 

[Former Decathlete]

Riccuitos not in the conversation. Take d jarman over riccuito.

Ricciuto had a final where he had 26 and 4 goals . ... In the second half alone ... When he team was down at half time.

Has a 41 disposal 6 goal game and 39 and 6 game. 8 times he got 35 and 5. When was the last time someone had a 35 and 5 or 40 and 6? Besides Matthews?

Probably under rated as a player because he's been such a dickhead in the media.

 

[Fadge]

If he wins the norm Smith next week he is absolutely up there.

What if he has 25 and kicks 5, but J. Cameron wins the Normy because he kicks 8?

 

[iameviljez]

Has a 41 disposal 6 goal game and 39 and 6 game. 8 times he got 35 and 5. When was the last time someone had a 35 and 5 or 40 and 6? Besides Matthews?

People don't kick big bags any more as the game is played so differently now. It's not really a reflection on the players as such.

PS - Steve Johnson, but it needed to be a record AFL score first

 

[Fadge]

Top 7 I feel are almost cemented - Ablett Ablett Carey Matthews Lockett Dunstall Franklin

He could get to 8 if he just keeps going a couple more seasons and the elite longevity is just unarguable

Did footy only start in the 70's?

 

[Former Decathlete]

People don't kick big bags any more as the game is played so differently now. It's not really a reflection on the players as such.

PS - Steve Johnson, but it needed to be a record AFL score first

It's never been common.

But then he also has a Brownlow and 8 x AA.

(Steve Johnson very under rated overall . Incredible player and career).

 

[iameviljez]

It's never been common.

But then he also has a Brownlow and 8 x AA.

(Steve Johnson very under rated overall . Incredible player and career).

Sure, but things like Ablett kicking 80 from a flank, Lethal and Daicos 90 from a pocket… it’s not really possible now at all.

 

[Former Decathlete]

Sure, but things like Ablett kicking 80 from a flank, Lethal and Daicos 90 from a pocket… it’s not really possible now at all.

Cameron 70 odd as a roaming fwd.
And he's not as good as P Daicos or Albert Sr.

But agree it's harder with a team zone defence than the old one v one. Often 36 players in D 50 now.

 

[My Tilly]

I agree - he's that good that we're now reduced to cross-generational comparisons, which is almost impossible.

Danger, Fyfe and Bont look head and shoulders above the others in this generation (being a little generous with ages), in the same way that Lockett, Carey and Ablett Sr were in theirs.

Fyfe not so much as his best was similar to Dustin Martin's. A brief 3-4 year period where you literally could say, he and one other were head and shoulders above the rest. I personally still think Pavlich was Fremantle's greatest player.

Even Bontempelli is line ball. Arguably top 3 but not really the clear no.1 player in the game today. Never has been as he's contended with Petracca, Heeney, Dangerfield, and Martin at various stages.

Ablett and Carey were transcendent talents. No player will ever emerge and challenge their playing style nor their off field interest ever again.
They brought neutrals to the game just to watch them play. You never heard such a thing about Dangerfield, Martin or Franklin.

 

[Freomaniac]

So many wonderful players over the years.
Would you pick prime Dangerfield or McLeod heading into a grand final?

Daicos Sr, Voss, Williams, Franklin, Matera, Quinlan, Flower and that's before we start getting to the likes of Carey, Ablett, Matthews, Nicholls, Bartlett, Reynolds, Whitten, Lockett, Hird etc.

I am not even a demons fan.

Robert flower played 272 games in 15 years from 1973 to 1987.

He only played finals once. Crazy his last 3 games of his career was finals

 

[Fadge]

Interesting we have a Dangerfield GOAT thread, started in 2016, that is approaching 2000 posts.

Danger will go down as the 3rd or 4th best player since the turn of the century, which is a decent effort.

The Daicos GOAT thread is at about 15000 posts, after less than two seasons...

 

[Tackle Bag]

His durability is impressive. No doubt he sits with the elite of the last 15 years but for me prime Fyfe was better. GAJ and buddy also. For me he is just a shade below the absolute cream. I don’t think durability makes up that small gap. Absolute champion player and has been a joy to watch though.

Edit: I’d also add that Dangerfield has never been considered clearly the best player in the game like several others have, while Danger has been playing.

 

[Bald]

I don't think there's anything he can do to go ahead of Ablett Jnr and Franklin but I've got him sitting pretty in third to those two.

 

[Mr Meow]

Interesting we have a Dangerfield GOAT thread, started in 2016, that is approaching 2000 posts.

Danger will go down as the 3rd or 4th best player since the turn of the century, which is a decent effort.

The Daicos GOAT thread is at about 15000 posts, after less than two seasons...

"Please please please can we talk about Daicos here too?"

By my estimations your analysis shows Daicos is already 7.5x the player Dangerfield ever was. Stunning effort.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

What would you call it if one single player unified every available title in the one season: Players MVP, Coaches MVP, Brownlow, Player Ratings #1, Gary Ayres Medal, Norm Smith Medal, Premiership?

I wonder if anyone would ever be good enough to sweep the whole lot? If they did, they would have the GOAT season sewn up that is for sure. Has Danger ever done that?

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Have a good feeling Dangerfield is about to play one of the best games of the year on the weekend and in doing so, grasp a Norm Smith Medal.

Would be a fair effort. But still a ways short of a perfect sweep season.

Dangerfield himself had a good crack at it in 2016, Brownlow, Player Ratings #1, Coaches MVP & Players MVP. Very tidy season. Sadly left the Ayres Medal, Norm Smith Medal and flag in the till, thus failing to frank the perfect sweep of an AFL season.

Daicos is the GOAT apparently, never even won two of these things in one season.

Just imagine how good a season a player would need to have to sweep the lot.

 

[Lunchtime]

Have a good feeling Dangerfield is about to play one of the best games of the year on the weekend and in doing so, grasp a Norm Smith Medal.

He is due for a Norm Smith. Maybe he will get it on Saturday.

 

[Mr Meow]

Would be a fair effort. But still a ways short of a perfect sweep season.

Dangerfield himself had a good crack at it in 2016, Brownlow, Player Ratings #1, Coaches MVP & Players MVP. Very tidy season. Sadly left the Ayres Medal, Norm Smith Medal and flag in the till, thus failing to frank the perfect sweep of an AFL season.

Daicos is the GOAT apparently, never even won two of these things in one season.

Just imagine how good a season a player would need to have to sweep the lot.

He's ripping apart important games aged 35, just like he was aged 22. I don't know what you call that, but it's pretty good.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Unfortunately for Dangerfield, the 2016 Geelong side was not a genuine flag contender. Don't get me wrong, they were certainly capable but some felt they were carrying too many older players and lacking much needed speed. Particularly through the back half of the ground as guys like Enright, Lonergan, Henderson, Mackie how well and truly run their race.

On the flip-side, Richmond had become a juggernaut. Timed their 'peak' perfectly and Dustin Martin was on the receiving end of it all.
Had you placed Martin in the Geelong side of 2016-2020, you would have seen a similar outcome.

I think Dangerfield is now capitalizing just as Martin did when Richmond were winning premierships. This is the best Geelong side he has ever played in. The inclusions of Cameron, Stengle, Stewart, Smith have been a god send. The emergence of Holmes, Neale, Humphries & Demspey has been profound. By far the best crop of talent the club has seen since the early 00's.

Hopefully Danger is outscored by the whole opposition team by 2.7 goals or less in the Grand Final on Saturday. It would be good for him to achieve that in just one Grand Final. That was Dusty's average he was outscored by the whole opposition team across his 3 Grand Finals by the way.

I noticed in Paddy's "was this the greatest final ever played by any player" Preliminary Final he was outscored by 10 goals by the opposition team. Funnily enough, that never happened to Dusty in any of his 10 winning finals. Would be good to see Patrick make some of Dusty's finals feats a little less unique.

 

[STPer18]