Confirmed Patrick Dangerfield [traded w/ pick 50 to Geelong for 9, 28 and Gore]

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nobody is going to touch a player for 800k a season who tells them he doesnt want to play at their football club. same reason Ball didnt get drafted before collingood, and either did tippet.

clubs are very careful about the attitude and commitment of those players drafted, just like any organisation is about who they recruit.

go ask GWS about this also with why they didnt draft chad wingard besides wanting to, or read the article about why adelaide drafted dangerfield instead of rioli who was their priority at the time.
Nick Stevens and John McCarthy are examples of players who have been picked up in the draft before their target destination. If it's so easy to get to your target club via the PSD, why don't all players refuse to be traded altogether and just walk to the draft?

I mean, why should they detriment their future club by making them give up a pick?! :drunk:
 

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They also said the following:

"Patrick Dangerfield has informed the Club he wants to return to Victoria."

Interesting.. As a restricted free agent he is obviously entitled to nominate a specific club if he chooses, and I think we all expected him to say Geelong.

I still anticipate that's where he'll end up, but by leaving it ambiguous like that (as opposed to saying "It's Geelong or nothing") he's left the door open for the Crows to explore their "options" and maximize their return while still doing the right thing by Patrick and allowing he and his partner the opportunity to return to Melbourne/Geelong to be closer to their families - of course that's only if Geelong try to be clever and refuse to offer fair value for him.

As I said, I doubt that scenario will eventuate and I'm sure a deal will be struck that allows him to join the Cats. It's not often a player of Dangerfield's calibre comes on the market, and even rarer still for a player like that to nominate your club as their desired destination. Geelong are a well run club, and fortunately for them there's no chance that they'll follow the fanciful advice being offered by a few of their supporters and risk cocking up this once in a generation opportunity.

They'll also have additional targets of their own that they'll want to pursue outside of Dangerfield so I'm sure if they haven't already, the 2 clubs will come to an agreement that is fair and reasonable for both sides well before trade week commences.
I think you'll find that Danger didn't actually write the clubs press release and he has requested to go to Geelong. It's always been Geelong.
 

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No coincidence that Selwood, Hawkins & Taylor had average years and you missed the 8.
we finished were we did because of the inexperience in our list, majority verging on their prime, just around that 21-23 year old mark, this will change very quickly next season. the majority of our best games were carried by duncan, caddy, motlop, selwood, murdoch, blicavs as our best. and by the way selwood hawkins taylor have about 5 years left, how long do mitchel burgoyne lake gibson hodge hale have? remind me
 

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can Geelong trade their first round pick(s) before making the offer to Dangerfield, thereby removing Adelaide's incentive to match the deal?
Adelaide's incentive to match Geelong's offer is that Adelaide get a better trade deal for Dangerfield than they would if they did not match Geelong's offer. As I understand it, once Adelaide have matched Geelong's offer and Dangerfield nominates that he still wants to leave AFC, if Geelong cannot come up with an acceptable (to Adelaide) trade then Dnagerfield could end up at some other club which is prepared to offer an acceptable trade.
 

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Crows have to match the offer and get a better compensation, surely.

Would be derelict of them to do anything else under existing rules, and if they did their members and the AFL should come down on them. Of course, the AFL is all about manipulated outcomes rather than setting a framework for honest competition so instead they will prob heavy Adelaide to get screwed rather than rock the boat.

Not saying he shouldn't get to the Cats, but the Crows need to make sure it happens in a way that gives them decent value.
 

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But you guys don't know how to trade/ not a destination club that's why you have to offer that.
this has nothing to do with danger choosing the cats, the crows don't give a rats clacker whether he is going to the cats, the giants or the power. they want the best deal for them, why wouldn't they match the offer and force the cats hand on this? Then invite other clubs to put offers on the table? Once other clubs start offering more than the cats, watch geelong increase their offer.
your first pick this and next year is a starting point not a maximum
 

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nobody is going to touch a player for 800k a season who tells them he doesnt want to play at their football club. same reason Ball didnt get drafted before collingood, and either did tippet.

clubs are very careful about the attitude and commitment of those players drafted, just like any organisation is about who they recruit.

go ask GWS about this also with why they didnt draft chad wingard besides wanting to, or read the article about why adelaide drafted dangerfield instead of rioli who was their priority at the time.

So you're saying he will make it through the PSD to Geelong come on, at the same time if a club which is a certainty he will pick him up, he loses his FA status and will need to be traded to get to Geelong still after any period he signs for. Would be a good investment for any of those clubs you would think as he is then trading currency for the future aswell?
 

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nobody is going to touch a player for 800k a season who tells them he doesnt want to play at their football club.
Yes they are. Dangerfield played pretty well at Adelaide this year despite not wanting to be there; his record at non-preferred clubs is pretty good. Melbourne would love to have him if only for a year.
 

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Oh Im sorry im just a little bemused that everyone is talking about the trade, that Ive been talking about for months and be hounded down by evey Geelong supporter on BF.

Have you changed your mind along with the 200 other muppets aswell.
But you said no trade for months?
How the trading going Manboob are you still firm on your opinion of No trade
They currently pay him $700-$750k are you being serious?
You are joking arent you Ive been arguing for months about a trade with you whole BF supporter base
??? Ive argued about trading for months to be blasted by every Geelong supporter on BF saying he was walking there would be no trade including yourself, now it depends PLLLLEEEEASSSE
Just a logiical one, unlike the Geelong Dangerfield thread where every man and hius dog was having a circle jerk of grabbing him for nothing
So it depends on whether or not Adelaide matches if you grab hinm for free and he walks to the PSD and not Moggs Creek, and your saying Adelaides hands are tied YEP. OK THEN so be it bring it on
Hows the no trading going Manboob
So you're saying he will make it through the PSD to Geelong come on, at the same time if a club which is a certainty he will pick him up, he loses his FA status and will need to be traded to get to Geelong still after any period he signs for. Would be a good investment for any of those clubs you would think as he is then trading currency for the future aswell?
Can we all please take a moment to thank Marty for his contribution to the thread? Very impressive.
 
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its filled with 20-23 year olds transitioning towards their prime, pretty damn good effort, hardly had any reliance on seniors at all this year.

very exciting period the next 2-3 years. a midfield of J selwood, P dangerfield, J caddy, J murdoch, M blicavs S selwood sounds better than anything adelaide is going to put forward. will smash it in contested ball work

geelong for top four push next season
geelong_crazy26 to be immensely disappointed next season.
 

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Don't think it is. Several clubs would gladly pay it, especially with expected growth in the salary cap.
Plus two first rounders? I doubt it. He's 26 next year so he's got maybe four years left at his peak, and Geelong don't look like threatening any time soon. 800K plus draft picks seems way overs for a club in Geelong's position.
 
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alright, handbaggers - what are you going to put up for trade? two first rounders and cockatoo, yeah?
A good benchmark would be the Judd WC trade.

What was that 3, 20 and Kennedy.
I think 3 was Masten, not sure who 20 was.

That is essentially 3 top 20 picks.

Round 1- 2015, round 2 - 2015(or a player like Cockatoo), round 1 - 2016
 

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Nick Stevens and John McCarthy are examples of players who have been picked up in the draft before their target destination. If it's so easy to get to your target club via the PSD, why don't all players refuse to be traded altogether and just walk to the draft?

I mean, why should they detriment their future club by making them give up a pick?! :drunk:
you mean the john mccarthy delisted by collingwood? i am sure he was very fussy and picky. nick stevens is the only example in the AFL, and i dont see articles of him or his management telling carlton he didnt want to play for them, their is only an article afterwards with him saying he knew he was going to carlton all along, he wasnt rejecting the idea at all.

when players have told clubs they dont want to play for them, they dont wind up their, its been as simple as that, if they dont say that, well then you may get another nick stevens.

it all goes back to dangerfields management and the geelong football club and what they do. adelaides balls are simply tied, they just have to accept what is offered or get nothing, regardless of where he ends up at the end of it.
 

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Plus two first rounders? I doubt it. He's 26 next year so he's got maybe four years left at his peak, and Geelong don't look like threatening any time soon. 800K plus draft picks seems way overs for a club in Geelong's position.
Will be giving up worse draft picks than Hawks gave up for Burgoyne. I know who I'd prefer.;):thumbsu:
 

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800k for 6 years apparently... can adelaide take that on?
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...alary-now-265179/story-fni5f22o-1226834339957

"After making Kurt Tippett the highest-paid player in Crows history with a $700,000-a-season deal - and still losing him to Sydney last year - the title of having the heaviest wallet at West Lakes sat in midfielder Patrick Dangerfield’s locker. He is in the $600,000-$700,000 salary bracket."

So how much more do Adelaide need to find with an increasing TPP over the next 6 years, it seems ridiculously easy to match wouldnt you think?
 
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