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Traded Patrick Karnezis (2011-2013)

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Karnezis attracts votes
11 Sep, 2012

Patrick Karnezis became an instant crowd favourite during his debut season after producing some memorable individual displays at the Gabba.

And although Karnezis’ senior opportunities with the Lions were limited in 2012, it still didn’t stop him from catching the eye of the State League umpires.

In fact, the 20 year-old proved so dominant in the NEAFL competition that he finished just three votes shy of taking home the Grogan Medal - which is awarded to the League’s best and fairest player.

Karnezis polled a Club-high 11 votes on Monday night, to finish equal ninth behind eventual winners Ryan Davey (Labrador), Fraser Pope (Southport) and Tom Salter (Redlands) who were part of a three-way tie.

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The comparison with Stevie J, while obviously a bit previous, is to my mind a valid one. This is what he could become. Skills are not the problem.

What he needs to get to SJ level is much greater hardness at the contest.

It's all very well to blitz the opposition at reserves level as I've seen him do often this year. Quite another to take on the hard senior bodies. And it shows.

Needs more self confidence IMHO.
 
Tassie4ever said:
The comparison with Stevie J, while obviously a bit previous, is to my mind a valid one. This is what he could become. Skills are not the problem.

What he needs to get to SJ level is much greater hardness at the contest.

It's all very well to blitz the opposition at reserves level as I've seen him do often this year. Quite another to take on the hard senior bodies. And it shows.

Needs more self confidence IMHO.
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On top of that, he needs to get running this preseason. A lot. Stevie J is one of the fittest dudes in football, and Patty is probably at the other end of the spectrum at the moment.
 
IanHaso84 said:
On top of that, he needs to get running this preseason. A lot. Stevie J is one of the fittest dudes in football, and Patty is probably at the other end of the spectrum at the moment.
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He's getting there though. Certainly a big improvement from the start of the year to now. I think him and Polec will be entrenched in our best 22 by the end of 2013.
 

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NEAFL Grand Final review
17.09.2012
Peter Blucher
One-time forward Karnezis had 34 disposals, suggesting his future may be in the midfield.

The Beams-Buchanan-Karnezis midfield combination amassed 105 disposals and clearly got the better of their highly-rated Thunder opposites.
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He got a lot of the pill but as Bob said in the preview thread wasn't damaging enough with it. Quite a few of his disposals multiplied as he made errors that he had to then go back and fix. Needs to clean that up because he just won't be able to do that at AFL level.
 
It's odd, but I'm more bullish on his career at the end of this season than I was at the end of last season. One of a select few in that camp, though, I'd suspect.
 
PattyKisagun said:
One of a select few in that camp, though, I'd suspect.
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Yep, plenty of players have been stars at reserves level and plodders in the seniors. Form in the seniors is what counts.
 
Grimreepah said:
Yep, plenty of players have been stars at reserves level and plodders in the seniors. Form in the seniors is what counts.
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And this is what keeps me grounded (to an extent). But I think it's more than that. While Hawksley, for example, has starred in the 2's many times, the deficiencies in his game that have stopped him performing that well at senior level have still been evident. Not sure it's the same with Pat. I imagine it's a case of wait and see, though.
 
PattyKisagun said:
And this is what keeps me grounded (to an extent). But I think it's more than that. While Hawksley, for example, has starred in the 2's many times, the deficiencies in his game that have stopped him performing that well at senior level have still been evident. Not sure it's the same with Pat. I imagine it's a case of wait and see, though.
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Karnezis' weakness is getting the ball. The most disposals he has ever had in a game is 14. This isn't a problem in the reserves, but is a real problem when he plays at the higher level.
 
Grimreepah said:
Karnezis' weakness is getting the ball. The most disposals he has ever had in a game is 14. This isn't a problem in the reserves, but is a real problem when he plays at the higher level.
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Keep in mind, though, that he's been the sub in quite a few of his senior games, but has also spent the majority of each game up forward as a marking target. He hasn't played a full game as a midfielder yet. Also worth noting that his TOG is very low in most matches, which would relate back to his lack of ability to run out a game at the moment.
 
PattyKisagun said:
Keep in mind, though, that he's been the sub in quite a few of his senior games, but has also spent the majority of each game up forward as a marking target. He hasn't played a full game as a midfielder yet. Also worth noting that his TOG is very low in most matches, which would relate back to his lack of ability to run out a game at the moment.
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I don't see the sub as an excuse, because the reason he gets given the vest is he can't play out a full game. The reason he gets minimal TOG is because that's all he's good for. It seems he can play football but is well short of the athletic requirements.
 

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Grimreepah said:
I don't see the sub as an excuse, because the reason he gets given the vest is he can't play out a full game. The reason he gets minimal TOG is because that's all he's good for. It seems he can play football but is well short of the athletic requirements.
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I'd say that's why he's spent most of this season in the reserves. I'm not sure it's fair to say that he has issues with getting enough of the ball though, as that judgement can only really be made once his fitness is where it needs to be.
 
Maybe it's the drink but just watching the swans v pies I see a lot of similarities between Pattyk and Kennedy. Just the shoulders and the physiological build. Previously thought he could be like Embley but could start out on the wing and move inside. Ahh you can only hope, let's be patient. There is something there.
 
jjami15 said:
Maybe it's the drink but just watching the swans v pies I see a lot of similarities between Pattyk and Kennedy. Just the shoulders and the physiological build. Previously thought he could be like Embley but could start out on the wing and move inside. Ahh you can only hope, let's be patient. There is something there.
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Snap...I was thinking who we had that could play in the mid like Kennedy and Patty K came to mind, I like that he is being played in the midfield in the ressies.
 
I think his potential in the midfield even surprised the club when he first played there. Still reckon it was originally just to get some miles in the legs so he could run out the games better up forward, until they saw him there and realised it could be a little more than that, and they gave him Pendles to model his game on. To be honest, I'm not even sure some at the club have fully come around yet.
 
I'd be curious to know how Karnezis' endurance this year compares to last year. Based on his form in the seniors he hasn't improved, or has maybe even gone backwards, but based on the reserves it has developed. I put more stock in what happens in the seniors, but I don't discount the reserves. Worries about his lack of progress are partly allayed by the fact that his designated position has changed. As a forward he was a disappointment, but in terms of playing in the midfield he hasn't had much preparation. A full preseason to specifically prepare for this role could make a big difference. It seems he has a long way to catch up on fitness (more than Rich in his 2nd year) so it will take more than one preseason before he nears his peak, but we should get a much better idea on what we can expect from him over his career. At the moment it is hard to tell - he may amount to little or he could become one of the better players in the competition.
 
A massive pre-season is coming up for Karnezis. He needs to get on the Rockliff and Rich fitness regime. If Patty K can improve his fitness base to AFL midfield standard and improve his pace and strength a tiny bit, I have no doubt he will be a super star of the comp in the midfield.
 

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Listening to Voss about it taking four years to cement your spot is a fair indication that a lot of our players are works in progress and that we as fans place a huge amount of pressure to perform instantly. In saying that I do agree with others here that this is a very important preseason for PK. Let's hope the penny drops for him.
 
Why wouldn't Beth Newman, whoever the hell she is, quote Kerr if he actually said that? I think she might be exaggerating what Kerr actually said.

Poorly written article.
 
jackess said:
Why wouldn't Beth Newman, whoever the hell she is, quote Kerr if he actually said that? I think she might be exaggerating what Kerr actually said.

Poorly written article.
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Just speculating here, but it might have gone something like this:

Q: Have any players requested trades, other than Patrick Karnezis?
A: No other player has requested a trade, and Patrick is a required player and will stay for at least another season.

It's possible for something to be sort of semi-confirmed, more importantly not denied, without it being quotable as such.

None of us want to see Paddy go, and we certainly don't want to see him want to go. I don't think we should just dismiss out of hand the possibility that he might have requested a trade.

He's very young, and a year is a long time at his age. If he becomes a regular player in 2013 then he's much less likely to want to leave. If he doesn't, then we might think about trading him anyway.
 

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