Patto out for the rest of the series - foot injury

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Patto interviewed tonight at the Big Bash derby and he's hoping to be back in for the ODI's v India. They're not taking any chances with it.
Why on earth would we play him in an irrelevant series of ODIs?

Get him in the nets, work on his fitness etc.
Monitor, control, adjust.

I really hope that Pattinson was just trying to show willingness/eagerness & doesn't really think that playing in the ODIs is a good idea for his, or Australia's, long term future.
 
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Why on earth would we play him in an irrelevant series of ODIs?

Get him in the nets, work on his fitness etc.
Monitor, control, adjust.

I really hope that Pattinson was just trying to show willingness/eagerness & doesn't really think that playing in the ODIs is a good idea for his, or Australia's, long term future.
Agreed. Keep them (Pattinson and Cummins) away from the various forms of Clown Cricket, particularly T20, for as long as possible. We've potentially got a very special couple of bowlers on our hands here.
 

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If these ODI's are irrelevant, then scrap the world cup.

Silly comment, he needs to play a couple as stated above
 

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If these ODI's are irrelevant, then scrap the world cup.

Silly comment, he needs to play a couple as stated above
What earthly relevance do ODIs v India & Sri Lanka played in February 2012 have with the next Cricket World Cup in 2015?

Richard Hadlee's view on current injuries to fast bowlers;
http://articles.timesofindia.indiat...endary-new-zealand-richard-hadlee-ryan-harris
Legendary New Zealand fast bowler Richard Hadlee says the current crop of fast bowlers are getting injured frequently because of their bowling style in ODIs.
Steve Waugh's view;
http://m.smh.com.au/sport/cricket/too-much-too-soon-waugh-20111207-1ojd3.html
He (Waugh) argues that pacemen are not spending enough time in the nets, and, like the richly talented but inexperienced Cummins, are being promoted before their bodies are properly prepared
No doubt they'll bow to your greater expertise in this area.

You know maybe, just maybe Cricket Australia may like to think long term and look for instance at getting Pattinson fully fit for the Ashes rather than worry about winning a couple of ODIs.
 

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Fast bowlers and injury go hand in hand. It's such an unnatural action and the weight transferrance through the delivery stride must put enormous pressure on the body

Lillee always battled with back problems and one wonders what sort of career Bruce Reid would've had if he remained fit.

McGrath is an exception but it's worth remembering he was thrust into the strike bowler role in the west indies due to injuries to our lead bowlers at the time

Courtney Walsh was another who never seemed to get injured
 

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What earthly relevance do ODIs v India & Sri Lanka played in February 2012 have with the next Cricket World Cup in 2015?
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Umm maybe there both ODI's. I meant the world cup as a whole. If these ODI's against the indians and sri lankians are "irrelevant", then what ODI's are "relevant"??

Therefore if they dont count, then nor should any other, therefore no need for a world cup by your logic:rolleyes:
 

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Umm maybe there both ODI's. I meant the world cup as a whole. If these ODI's against the indians and sri lankians are "irrelevant", then what ODI's are "relevant"??

Therefore if they dont count, then nor should any other, therefore no need for a world cup by your logic:rolleyes:
What the?
 

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oooo my ****ing god i can't believe hazlewood is out for a good while now... this is just getting out of control....


The other thing mentioned by IIRC Hadlee was the effect T20 has on them. If they are bowling repeated overs in first class cricket they generally build a rhythm and are able to work into a spell, and they adjust well to a decent action, whereas with T20 they have to try so much other stuff, bowling from different spots on the crease, constantly wamring up warming down etc, that it just creates stress in certain areas with the young bowlers
have been saying for some time that twenty 20 must be having some sort of effect on bowlers.

not just the warming up and warming down but the fielding... the fielding is done at such a huge intensity. fast bowlers aren't desinged for that - most quick bowler are lumbering guys... not these crazy athletic types that you see jumping around the outfield....

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php?p=22997726&postcount=621

on the T20's anyway, i can't believe i haven't seen anywhere it said that it's possible the glut of injuries we are getting to quick's at the moment is related to T20 cricket...

ok maybe it isn't the reason, but i reckon it's a massive possibility... the game is played at a hugely intesne pace. guys having to throw themselves around in the field, quick bowlers aren't exactly the most nimble of athletes... the stop start nature where you usually bowl in one or two over spells can't be good for you either... 1) most quick bowlers like to get into a ryhthym... i always found i was at my best from about 4th to 7th overs, and 2) you're warming up and cooling down process is a lot more condensed...

but not in ONE single place have i seen it mentioned as even a POSSIBILITY of being one of the roots of the problem.

Fast bowlers and injury go hand in hand. It's such an unnatural action and the weight transferrance through the delivery stride must put enormous pressure on the body
unfortunately yeah fast bowler is such an unatural action. your front leg cops about as much stress as it's ever going to cop in one hit... but then you do it over and over all day long.
 

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Because one bunch are for the World Cup, the others are for nothing.

It's like saying that if the NAB Cup is irrelevant, then so is the Grand Final.
So playing for your country is now irrelevant, nice. Whats the point in playing them then? should just skip straight to the world cup. Play the rookies like they do in the Nab cup :rolleyes:

Moral of the story, ODI's series arent dead rubbers.

Oh and MWNN, quality post from a quality poster. :thumbsu::rolleyes:
 

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I sometimes think this place is some sort of vortex for intelligence, it all gets sucked down into an abyss and no one knows where it goes. I'm guessing into a giant pile of odd socks and politician's promises.
 

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I sometimes think this place is some sort of vortex for intelligence, it all gets sucked down into an abyss and no one knows where it goes. I'm guessing into a giant pile of odd socks and politician's promises.
Seriously mate, you're that far stuck up your own.....
 
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Remember hearing part of an interview Ryan Harris gave on ABC radio around the beginning of the NZ series. He said he gave up the IPL because T20 cricket meant he had to bowl an entirely different type of delivery (and therefore use a different action) every single ball.

Though I guess he's sort of gone back on that by playing a few big bash games in an effort to win his spot back in the Test team. CA scheduling certainly doesn't help.

As for the recent discussion of the worthiness of ODI's, I think 50 over cricket is a rapidly dying format that should be quietly put to bed after we host 2015 WC. Until then we should respect it, but make sure we heavily rotate our bowlers.
 

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So playing for your country is now irrelevant, nice. Whats the point in playing them then? should just skip straight to the world cup. Play the rookies like they do in the Nab cup :rolleyes:

Moral of the story, ODI's series arent dead rubbers.

Oh and MWNN, quality post from a quality poster. :thumbsu::rolleyes:
I never said they were. However, you seemed to be implying that because the ODI WC is relevant, then that makes all ODIs equally relevant, which is simply not the case. Even though you were right in saying that ODI series are not totally irrelevant, your reasoning was ridiculous, and your attitude of intellectual superiority bizarre and misplaced.

For the record, I quite like ODI series, though I don't care about them nearly as much as Tests, or the ODI WC. As such, I personally wouldn't be too bothered to see some players rested for them when injury is an issue. On the other hand, I like watching them play, whatever the format, so either or.
 

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I really hope these up and coming fast bowlers don't plat t/20 cricket. It's rubbish and will ruin their actions and what not. I want to see these kids dominating test cricket and playing cricket the traditional way.
 
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