Paul Roos the Myth

[Lavender Bushranger]

Surely it's official now that Roos is a myth.

He nearly cost a very, very good team a flag in 05 due to his woeful coaching, but thanks to high end talent and salary cap relief they won despite him.

Hall, O'Loughlin, Davis, Ball, Williams, Kirk, Bolton, O'Keefe, Barry, Jolly, Kirk, Goodes, Kennelly.

A freakishly good team, that were rubbish under Roos until they Bradbury'd 10 weeks straight leading into the Grand Final without a single injury.

As the talent dried up, he was lost. Fortunately for the Swans Longmire was able to repair the rot and get them back on track.

He was a myth then, but his stint at Melbourne has surely sealed it?

21 wins and 45 losses.

Despite feasting from the draft and having the AFL call the shots, he Couldn't get Melbourne above 11th on the ladder.

And his 'legacy of mediocrity' lives on unfortunately. Unless Goodwin is as good as Longmire, which he isn't, Melbourne may not recover from the mess the charlatan has left behind.


Discuss...

 

[M Malice]

$$$

 

[King Brown]

The mythical Paul Roos.

Like Jupiter or Loki.

 

[Eski3]

Melbourne were so unbelievably bad before he took over though. He was never going to take them from bottom of the ladder to top 4. Good coaches have a way of turning around the culture of a club. They barely missed out on finals by half a % this year, if Roos hadn't turned that club around they would still be bottom 4. He didn't get them a flag or anything but he lifted them off the canvas, which is what he was brought in to do

 

[TheKITC]

 

[Jcpdragonx]

He taught them how to defend when they were losing by 100+ far too often, including that 186. He's a quality coach who did was he was suppose to do, slowly weed out the Melbourne of old. They're still one of the youngest teams in the comp.

I wouldn't be praising Longmire all that much. He should have three flags with Buddy and their superstar midfield.

 

[Demon13304]

Yeah nah you don't realise how ridiculously bad Melbourne were when he took over. We had 2 wins (one against Fledgling GWS who later beat us in their only win - imagine if they weren't there) and 54% - not as bad but comparable to Fitzroy 1996 - and that's saying something

 

[Kwality]

2005/6: Roos 1, Worsfold 1 - Roos regarded as a genius, Woosha not so ....... imagine if the flags were 2-0 *, one is a legend, the other a choker, of course.
Sadly numnuts follow the critics like lemmings ....

Flags are hard to win, its not all science, a bit of luck goes a long way.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

Lol please, he's a premiership coach.

Compare Melbourne when he took over to now. Not even in the same *in postcode.

 

[Scotland]

LOL.

Melbourne just missed the top 8 by %.

Wasn't that long ago they weren't even bottom 8 standard.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

5 wins
3 wins
4 wins
8 wins
8 wins
4 wins
2 wins
Roos takes over
4 wins
7 wins
10 wins
Roos leaves
12 wins

Would have thought the impact of his tenure was pretty obvious at this point.

 

[Altum Volantes]

Is that you Sheeds?

 

[YEOLO]

Tactically I think his overrated. It does appear that he is very good at installing a positive culture though. Deserves his kudos for that.

 

[Demon13304]

5 wins
3 wins
4 wins
8 wins
8 wins
4 wins
2 wins
Roos takes over
4 wins
7 wins
10 wins
Roos leaves
12 wins

Would have thought the impact of his tenure was pretty obvious at this point.

Inb4 bbbbut draft picks

 

[RUNVS]

2005/6: Roos 1, Worsfold 1 - Roos regarded as a genius, Woosha not so ....... imagine if the flags were 2-0 *, one is a legend, the other a choker, of course.
Sadly numnuts follow the critics like lemmings ....

Flags are hard to win, its not all science, a bit of luck goes a long way.

I think the big difference between Roos and Worsfold is that after 2007 the Swans rebuilt and were soon premiership contenders again, but West Coast slipped down the ladder and stayed down there for a while.

 

[RUNVS]

5 wins
3 wins
4 wins
8 wins
8 wins
4 wins
2 wins
Roos takes over
4 wins
7 wins
10 wins
Roos leaves
12 wins

Would have thought the impact of his tenure was pretty obvious at this point.

Not just the wins. The year before Roos took over Melbourne had one of the worst percentages imaginable. He improved Melbourne's percentage each year he was there.

 

[Altum Volantes]

I think the big difference between Roos and Worsfold is that after 2007 the Swans rebuilt and were soon premiership contenders again, but West Coast slipped down the ladder and stayed down there for a while.

Well...there were additional circumstances...and he did lose his 2 best players in their prime.

Back in the prelim by 2011.

 

[SSSSSS]

If Longmire doesn't win another flag with the list he has I would consider his coaching ability a greater myth than Paul Roos.

 

[Judd2Sewell]

A good coach, but in my opinion he is the most overrated coach since the turn of the century.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

A good coach, but in my opinion he is the most overrated coach since the turn of the century.

There's no doubt that a bit of the James Dean / Jim Morrison / Kurt Cobain affect follows his coaching - purely because he quits ahead of wringing out a full career and getting sacked.

But it can't be argued that he can coach, surely.

 

[blitzer]

I reckon he's a good coach and got Melbourne on the right path. I find him annoying as hell in the media but he's produced some good results .

Any coach that stays in the coaching gig long enough will eventually fail at some point in time.

 

[legend166]

That's some impressive revisionist history about his time at Sydney.

 

[Freomaniac]

A good coach, but in my opinion he is the most overrated coach since the turn of the century.

more overrated than.... ross lyon

 

[legend166]

Like seriously, now reading it again it's hilarious how wrong you've got it with his time at Sydney. His first full season in 2003 we were widely tipped to win the wooden spoon, instead we made a prelim and were a quarter away from beating the Lions to make the Grand Final.

Two years later we win the flag (with essentially the same list that was tipped to win the spoon) and a year after go within a Daniel Chick smother of going back to back.

We went back to the well a couple of times but it was clear the group didn't have what it took to get back in 07/08.

09 we miss the finals for the first time under Roos.

2010 we do pretty much one of the best on the run rebuilds you're likely to see and are right back in the finals and really should have made a prelim were it not for Daniel Bradshaw (remember that year he played for the Swans?) somehow missing set shots 30m out directly in front.

So the idea that Longmire 'stopped the rot' is completely ridiculous. He took basically the same side which was already on the up and took us to the flag two years after Roos left.

 

[Gavin Excell]

Since leaving Sydney he has carved a niche as a consultant coach not prepared to commit to the long haul