Paul Roos....

[ESKIE]

Chew on this mate:

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/williams-beams-as-carlton-snaps-hoodoo-20110429-1e19w.html

Typical of you to go missing when the facts dont suit your agenda. See you after our next loss.

People who doubt Ratts just need to watch him last night against the Swans, in the freezing cold coaching from the sidelines, his head was like his name sake a drowned rat, and his passion just shows through. He education to players as they come off goes unnoticed.

He coached us to a win last night, with the help of Judd just being amazing. He moved Gibbs on Goodes, he made the call to sub of Joesph for Armfield which I think was a great move, instant impact, moved White forward which added a target as Waite was having a shocker.

We sit top four and people still want him sacked and replaced by Roos (most boring coaching style) and Malthouse (most boring personality) yet they are willing to give him the chance even though we have only lost 1 game

He has the players playing the way we want, they are fight with true grit and they seem united.

Good work guys, Ratts rides every bump and i love the way he barracks on the side, out coached Longmire last night, great moves and the coaching team have the side playing really well.

Who need the bad weather supporters,

And as for Swann lbeing sacked next year, you have to be kidding THS talks himself up and makes it up

 

[juzz88]

He's always been a Sydney hater.

Yeah, I heard that he did everything in his power to try and make them not win a Grand Final while he was coaching them...



But he failed.

 

[thylacine60]

We don't want failures. Judd's kicking is bad enough.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Thanks Diesel, been wondering what I should use for a signature.

Bottom line, you support until you have a real and valid reason not to support. Doubly so when you are talking real Carlton people. Ratten has done nothing to deserve the disloyalty he has copped from anonymous Carlton 'supporters' .... not yet anyway.

 

[blue healer]

Thanks Diesel, been wondering what I should use for a signature.

Bottom line, you support until you have a real and valid reason not to support. Doubly so when you are talking real Carlton people. Ratten has done nothing to deserve the disloyalty he has copped from anonymous Carlton 'supporters' .... not yet anyway.

I'm with you ODN.

Loved Ratts as a player and can't believe that there are still tossers here who want him out when we are starting to go somewhere.

If it all does go pearshape then we may have this discussion but until then sit back and enjoy the ride and back the bloody coach.

 

[jonoman89]

I always laugh when i'm at the game, we're a few points down and people start calling for Ratts to be sacked. 90% of the time the players are responsible for a loss, not the coach.

Ratts has done a good job overall. People pipe on about our draft picks...reality is we had a 5 or so year losing culture which is a very hard thing to remove. Ratts has done very well getting that winning psyche back into the group.

 

[Stamos]

Thanks Diesel, been wondering what I should use for a signature.

Bottom line, you support until you have a real and valid reason not to support. Doubly so when you are talking real Carlton people. Ratten has done nothing to deserve the disloyalty he has copped from anonymous Carlton 'supporters' .... not yet anyway.

This

 

[SurreyBlue]

re: Ratten; Well said guys. Finally some jumping onboard. Good to see.

 

[thylacine60]

No kidding?

Let's do the maths.
16 - 6 = 10. Yep, we would have won by 10 points.
Roos = Einstein

You've been

Australian Culture Vultured!
























it's actually an Australian Black Breasted Buzzard but that don't sound right at all...

 

[zeeCFC]

You've been

Australian Culture Vultured!
























it's actually an Australian Black Breasted Buzzard but that don't sound right at all...

*Mister Carlton*

 

[zeeCFC]

Gotta love this part of that Diesel article

This year, most pundits have predicted Carlton will be the more successful of the two sides, but for several reasons it was difficult to get an accurate gauge on just how far Ratten's team - rich with top draft picks, though yet to really enjoy the benefits - has developed since that recent lesson in September.

Wiping their prints off the crime scene, tisk tisk! The 'experts' had us out of the 8!!!!!

 

[GoBlues!]

I always laugh when i'm at the game, we're a few points down and people start calling for Ratts to be sacked. 90% of the time the players are responsible for a loss, not the coach.

Ratts has done a good job overall. People pipe on about our draft picks...reality is we had a 5 or so year losing culture which is a very hard thing to remove. Ratts has done very well getting that winning psyche back into the group.

Supporters can be a demanding lot at the best of times - we lose its the coach's fault, we kick poorly its the coach's fault, we win well and its not because of the coach but because player X won the game.

Best thing about Ratten this year is he's managed to get the team to 4 Wins/1 Draw/1 Loss with a dysfunctional forward line, a lack of tall defenders and key players missing due to form or waiting to come back from injury. If that's not good coaching I'm not sure what is.

PS: For the record Roo's last 4 years with the Swans was not that flash - they finished 5th, 12th, 6th and 7th.

 

[Tanks_Alot]

You can't possibly put the blame on Ratts when Carrazzo, Thornton and on many occasions Russell produce stupid turnovers that cost us crucial goals resulting in us losing momentum and matches. It's no coincidence that we are a much better side than five years ago, we have slowly weeded out the bad apples and developed our upcoming talent at the same time.

We beat the Swans in Sydney without Yarran, Kruzer & Bower, three important players. Throw in an in form Hendo and Lucas along with a match readied Watson and we will be very dangerous.

I reckon one of the main reasons Ratts played Watson against the Pies was because that big accurate boot can kick well clear of their press, unfortunately the kid didn't have the confidence to utilize this great weapon yet, but in time it will come.

2011 we announce our arrival as a genuine threat and 2012 we take what's been missing for far too long.

Ratten would've also had a big say in who we recruited at the end of last season and it's one of the reasons we are a better side. Williams is right.

 

[blue healer]

Supporters can be a demanding lot at the best of times - we lose its the coach's fault, we kick poorly its the coach's fault, we win well and its not because of the coach but because player X won the game.

Best thing about Ratten this year is he's managed to get the team to 4 Wins/1 Draw/1 Loss with a dysfunctional forward line, a lack of tall defenders and key players missing due to form or waiting to come back from injury. If that's not good coaching I'm not sure what is.

PS: For the record Roo's last 4 years with the Swans was not that flash - they finished 5th, 12th, 6th and 7th.

Remember going to a first round NAB cup match against Essendon about 5 years ago. We blitzed them in the 1st quarter and the Bomber fans around me were already calling for Sheed's head.

 

[Gezim]

i think ratten is getting better as a coach, only time will tell. you forgot to mention mitchell in this mix when he's ready.
also think setanta has made a big difference to our teams structure

 

[Peacock]

Best thing about Ratten this year is he's managed to get the team to 4 Wins/1 Draw/1 Loss with a dysfunctional forward line

Ratten's in his fourth year as coach, if it is not his fault the forward line is dysfunctional then whose is it? Are you blaming the forwards because they can't out mark 3 defenders when the long bomb comes in???

Let's not forget how pathetic the second half of last season was, and who the man in charge was.

On the Couch Roos acknowledged that Carlton were taking 'baby steps', basically what he's saying is that he thinks the team should be improving faster... and it should be, setting the benchmark at only 'win a final', when you have Judd plus the other talent we have is ludicrous.

Pass mark for Ratten should be a prelim and be VERY competitive in it, even then we should look to Roos or Malthouse if available. Judd won't keep winning games off his own boot forever you know.

 

[BlueDW]

Ratten's in his fourth year as coach, if it is not his fault the forward line is dysfunctional then whose is it? Are you blaming the forwards because they can't out mark 3 defenders when the long bomb comes in???

Let's not forget how pathetic the second half of last season was, and who the man in charge was.

On the Couch Roos acknowledged that Carlton were taking 'baby steps', basically what he's saying is that he thinks the team should be improving faster... and it should be, setting the benchmark at only 'win a final', when you have Judd plus the other talent we have is ludicrous.

Pass mark for Ratten should be a prelim and be VERY competitive in it, even then we should look to Roos or Malthouse if available. Judd won't keep winning games off his own boot forever you know.

Ummmm, noooo, I think what he actually meant was........that we are improving slowly!!

Who's to say that we arent already over-achieving? And that the coach is the reason why we are improving?

FWIW, I think that we are sitting about right in terms of our position on the ladder, and that I expect that there is still plenty of improvement to come. Hopefully we will see plenty in the remaining 16 games.

Go Blues!

 

[blue healer]

Ratten's in his fourth year as coach, if it is not his fault the forward line is dysfunctional then whose is it? Are you blaming the forwards because they can't out mark 3 defenders when the long bomb comes in???

Let's not forget how pathetic the second half of last season was, and who the man in charge was.

On the Couch Roos acknowledged that Carlton were taking 'baby steps', basically what he's saying is that he thinks the team should be improving faster... and it should be, setting the benchmark at only 'win a final', when you have Judd plus the other talent we have is ludicrous.

Pass mark for Ratten should be a prelim and be VERY competitive in it, even then we should look to Roos or Malthouse if available. Judd won't keep winning games off his own boot forever you know.

Seem to remember that it took Parko 4 years to get a cup and the team he took over was a bloody lot better than the rabble Ratts got.

As for last season, we lost a Coleman medallist and replaced him with a kid. Bugger all experts gave us a chance to make finals, we did and went within a kick of beating the swans on their dunghill.

Sure we fell off the pace in the last half a bit but people forget that in average games of our best 25 we are about 2 seasons behind Collingwood.

Took Malthouse 2 rebuilds and 10 years to win the premiership and he's always had a better list than Ratts inherited.

My understanding is that the club has thrown their support behind him for this season and it's got me stuffed why people on this board can't just suck that up and get on with supporting the club.

If he's moved on for whatever reason at the end of the year, so be it, but until he's no longer our coach I'll support him.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Seem to remember that it took Parko 4 years to get a cup and the team he took over was a bloody lot better than the rabble Ratts got.

Yes, in his second stint Parko took over a team that had fallen down the ladder with the likes of Kernahan, Bradley, Madden and Silvagni well established in the side.

We missed the finals under Parko in 1991 and 1992, made and lost a GF in 1993 and got bundled out in straights sets in 1994. In the 5th year we finally won another one.

This current side is still tracking reasonably well when you consider that. We were always going to surge eventually and rise significantly. Hopefully this is our surge year where we start to look like contenders.

 

[Gezim]

all we know now, is that roos is a carlton fan, the words came out of his mouth lol. but ratts is doing good. he did what know other coach at carlton and other carlton teams could never do.
thats end the sydney SCG hooodooooo

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

all we know now, is that roos is a carlton fan, the words came out of his mouth lol.

No, he said he used to be but that was back when Armstrong and Ashman were running around.

 

[mediumsizered]

No, he said he used to be but that was back when Armstrong and Ashman were running around.

Not sure you could ever describe Armstrong's movement across the ground as running. Perhaps a canter would be closer to the mark (a bloody good player though, even if half his kicks were up & under efforts, not unlike Ed Curnow).

 

[blue healer]

Yes, in his second stint Parko took over a team that had fallen down the ladder with the likes of Kernahan, Bradley, Madden and Silvagni well established in the side.

You can add to that list Dorotich, Dean, Rhys Jones, Glascott and Gleeson, all premiership players. Half a run on team of premiership players, pretty sure Ratts had none

 

[Curnowed]

Supporters can be a demanding lot at the best of times - we lose its the coach's fault, we kick poorly its the coach's fault, we win well and its not because of the coach but because player X won the game.

Best thing about Ratten this year is he's managed to get the team to 4 Wins/1 Draw/1 Loss with a dysfunctional forward line, a lack of tall defenders and key players missing due to form or waiting to come back from injury. If that's not good coaching I'm not sure what is.

PS: For the record Roo's last 4 years with the Swans was not that flash - they finished 5th, 12th, 6th and 7th.

Considering the aging and average list Sydney had, the retirements of club legends, the blooding of young players, Barry Hall and players like Jolly leaving, I consider that a huge achievement. If it not for Sydney's structure and gameplan, they would have been wooden spoon contenders for sure.

Defend Ratten all you like and I am all for giving him until the end of the year, but if Roos was available come the end of the year and we weren't at least competitive in a prelim then I would definitely want Roos as coach.

 

[Pafloyul]

Considering the aging and average list Sydney had, the retirements of club legends, the blooding of young players, Barry Hall and players like Jolly leaving, I consider that a huge achievement. If it not for Sydney's structure and gameplan, they would have been wooden spoon contenders for sure.

Defend Ratten all you like and I am all for giving him until the end of the year, but if Roos was available come the end of the year and we weren't at least competitive in a prelim then I would definitely want Roos as coach.

The only thing I'm wary of is his penchant for recycling. Why do you think they had a poor, aging list? It's a double-edged sword. We've been through all that ourselves, it's not pretty.