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[Port01]

Re: Zombie, you are full of it mate!

Originally posted by ok.crows
Crows only just got beaten by Port eralier this year. Had Crows kicked a little bit straighter, or Port been a little less flukey with their shots on goal, Crows would have won.

Port have won quite a few games recently by very narrow margins (twice with the last kick after the siren) against mediocre opposition.

After the Geelong game last week, those comments look a little silly.

BTW we only won one game after the siren.

All teams have had close wins, and close losses.

Take out the Geelong game and your 10 pt win against Brisbane and you are back in the pack.

You are right, the ladder could be a lot different if every single little thing had gone our way. However it rarely does.

Get over it, a lot can and probably will happen by finals, Port could lose a few more players, or may be full strength by then. Same with the camries.

 

[Portia]

Re: Zombie, you are full of it mate!

Originally posted by ok.crows
Crows & Port are in reality just about level pegging.

Yes, maybe in the sense that if you ignored even more match results, Brisbane and Carlton are on just about level pegging.

 

[Macca19]

Originally posted by ok.crows

You leave out Doughty, Ladhams & Mattner out of your list to selectively bias the averages in favour of your arguement.

Since when was Mattner one of your 'core' midfielders?? Doughty i agree with...Ladhams and Mattner no. If your gonna add Ladhams and Mattner as "core midfielders" then Port might as well add Kane Cornes, Guerra and Michael Stevens to the list as well...which again, would make Ports midfield younger than the Crows 'on average'.

Crows have slightly the better midfield than Power, as borne out by the statistics.

Again, still yet to be witnessed when these teams play each other.

 

[Macca19]

Re: Zombie, you are full of it mate!

Originally posted by ok.crows
Crows only just got beaten by Port eralier this year. Had Crows kicked a little bit straighter, or Port been a little less flukey with their shots on goal, Crows would have won.

Geelong only just got beaten by Crows last week. Had Geelong kicked a little bit straighter, or Crows been a little less flukey with their shots on goal, Geelong would of won.

I await your response saying 'no, this does not apply to last week'.

And has also been stated many times in the past, but because you are so one eyed and biased you cant face facts....Crows scored some flukey goals (not to mention about 5 from the umpires) in Showdown whatever number it was earlier this year.

Port got smashed by Brisbane. Crows beat Brisbane.

Where did you play Brisbane?? Where did Port play Brisbane?? Did the Crows lose 4 important players that game?? Important being both your ruckmen [leaving your CHB to ruck 1 1/2 quarters], your best player on the ground at the time of his injury and a midfielder?? No didnt think so.
How bout you compare in a few weeks when Port play Brisbane here. But im sure if Port win by 10 goals youll find some reason to state that the Crows win was more important and in fact 10x better than Ports. Port beat Collingwood. Crows, for 90% of the game, were thrashed by Collingwood. Port also beat Melbourne...and West Coast - something the Crows didnt do. Port also beat Essendon. Crows didnt. My point?? I have none! Just like you

Port have won quite a few games recently by very narrow margins (twice with the last kick after the siren) against mediocre opposition. Had not all of these games gone Ports way, the ladder would look quite different.

Thats like stating if my auntie had a d.ck shed be my uncle. What a useless point. I could state if Carey had of kept his d.ck outta Stevens missus then we woulda won in Round 1 Could also say that if Port didnt lose 4 of its best players against Brisbane in the third quarter then we quite well of got up and won. Could also say that if Bulldogs had of kicked straight in Round 1 they would of beaten the Crows, and if Geelong kicked straight last week then they woulda beaten the Crows...and then the Crows would be around 8th place right now instead of locked into the top 4. All those points tho, are useless.

Crows & Port are in reality just about level pegging.

Actually, in reality, Port are two games ahead of the Crows, having lost only 2 games since Round 2. If you are only talking about the last few weeks then yeah...probably evens.

We'll see in a few weeks time how each side is going.

That we will.

 

[dbhattarai]

ok.crows is the most baised one-eyed supporter on Bigfooty.

Yes, even ahead of our friend sabre_ac

 

[Zombie]

Re: Zombie, you are full of it mate!

Originally posted by ok.crows
Crows only just got beaten by Port eralier this year. Had Crows kicked a little bit straighter, or Port been a little less flukey with their shots on goal, Crows would have won.

That's tight OK.Crows, everything Port does is flukey, everything the Crows do is pure brilliance. The Crows have a good side at the moment but they are on the same level as Port and Brisbane.

Isn't it strange how when the Crows let a lead slip, ie against the Swans, it is taking the foot off the pedal but when they come from behind in the last quarter it is a good fightback, the only reason for the loss being a 15 minute fade out . You are the sort of supporter that everyone despises, ignore the positives of other teams and exaggerate the positives of your own team.

Leaping Linder, Port have had more serious injuries to key players than the Crows have anyway. Lade and Paxman are only just returning from serious injuries, D.White, D.Murray and M.Wilson are all out for the year. C.Hall, P.Koulouriotis, S.Bassett, B.Lockwood and now J.Schofield have also been out for prolonged periods of time.

Adelaide only have Fitzgerald out for the year. Welsh with OP, and N.Bassett are the only others who have been out for a while so I don't understand how you can say Port has had an easier run with injuries.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Must be national pick on ok.crows day going by a few of the threads. Zombie, I'm suprised you didn't reply to my last post ... going after the easy target instead.

 

[noddy]

Must be getting close to finals time what with all these PAPS looking around for excuses to build their team up,
it should be about time the clan from PAP land got over their inferiority complex when it comes to the crows & actually think about winning a final for the first time

 

[Macca19]

Originally posted by noddy
Must be getting close to finals time what with all these PAPS looking around for excuses to build their team up,

Unlike ok.crows who constantly builds his team up and puts down the Power during the whole course of the year

 

[ok.crows]

Originally posted by Macca19


Unlike ok.crows who constantly builds his team up and puts down the Power during the whole course of the year

I can't recall putting down the Power all season.

The thing I have said about Power is that IMO they are not far ahead of Crows at all. Maybe slightly ahead, but IMO more or less level pegging.

I can see how blinkered Power fans would possibly see that as a putdown, but believe me, it ain't. How can it be a putdown when I build up Crows as much as I can, then say Power are at least as good?

Get it right Macca.

 

[ok.crows]

Zombie, you are the supporter everyone despises. You bag other sides. You even do it on the boards of those teams.

I said that in the showdown, Port got their goals, they were exceptionally accurate. Quite a few of those goals "got in" by narrow margins. Have a look at the replay if you don't believe me. Just scraped home.

Crows OTOH hit the post three or four times that day. Just failed to scrape in by narrow margins.

It is plain fact.

It is just that you can't handle the truth Zombie.

 

[Zombie]

Originally posted by ok.crows
Zombie, you are the supporter everyone despises. You bag other sides. You even do it on the boards of those teams.

I said that in the showdown, Port got their goals, they were exceptionally accurate. Quite a few of those goals "got in" by narrow margins. Have a look at the replay if you don't believe me. Just scraped home.

Crows OTOH hit the post three or four times that day. Just failed to scrape in by narrow margins.

It is plain fact.

It is just that you can't handle the truth Zombie.

Got in by narrow margins, that is scraping the barrell really. In the end when it came to the crunch Adelaide stopped playing football and tried to bottle the ball up and run the clock down, when it came to the business end of the game Port was the side who came up with the goods.

What was your last post K-Mac? I'll have a look.

 

[Zombie]

Originally posted by Kane McGoodwin
ok.crows, Zombie also forgot Johnson, Stenglein & Gallagher. John**** may also be developed into a midfielder as he had a run on the ball today (if Port count S Burgoyne, then only fair we count Stiffy). Only Crow midfielder who is likely to retire in the next 5 years is Bickley.

Those ages were based on the top 6 possession winners for each side this year, it was in reply to the Port "aging" midfield quote and 2 year window of opportunity. All I was doing was proving that the Crows have an older "Core" midfield than the Power, both Port and the Crows have younger midfielders coming through but none of them have been proven at AFL level so who knows what they may do.

I don't count S.Burgoyne as a core midfielder but he has played in the midfield in his junior footy.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Interesting to see the club come out today & say that they believe they could fit in both Pavlich & Carey if they became available. I agree that we should become greedy, even if meant giving up a few players & out 1st few draft picks.

PS Zombie, Johnson & Stenglein are in our core midfield group - along with Goodwin, Riccuito, McLeod (although he is being "rested" up forward recently), Bode & Bickley.

 

[Zombie]

Originally posted by Kane McGoodwin
Interesting to see the club come out today & say that they believe they could fit in both Pavlich & Carey if they became available. I agree that we should become greedy, even if meant giving up a few players & out 1st few draft picks.

PS Zombie, Johnson & Stenglein are in our core midfield group - along with Goodwin, Riccuito, McLeod (although he is being "rested" up forward recently), Bode & Bickley.

They are not in the top 6 ballgetters though

1. Simon Goodwin 410
2. Mark Bickley 377
3. Andrew McLeod 369
4. Tyson Edwards 354
5. Matthew Bode 344
6. Mark Ricciuto 330

K.Johnson is 7th but with a large fall away from the other 6 with only 296 possessions, Stenglein just scrapes into the top 10 with 259.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Originally posted by Zombie
They are not in the top 6 ballgetters though

1. Simon Goodwin 410
2. Mark Bickley 377
3. Andrew McLeod 369
4. Tyson Edwards 354
5. Matthew Bode 344
6. Mark Ricciuto 330

K.Johnson is 7th but with a large fall away from the other 6 with only 296 possessions, Stenglein just scrapes into the top 10 with 259.

K Johnson only misses due to injury, but when fit he is in our best 6. Also, Edwards is more a HB/HF flanker whereas Stenglein plays more in the middle as a run-with player (hence getting possessions isn't his priority).

 

[Zombie]

Originally posted by Kane McGoodwin
K Johnson only misses due to injury, but when fit he is in our best 6. Also, Edwards is more a HB/HF flanker whereas Stenglein plays more in the middle as a run-with player (hence getting possessions isn't his priority).

This was in reference to an earlier post of Port's "aging midfield", It was just to show that the Crows rely on their older players aswell, if not more, as the Power do, as do most teams.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Originally posted by Zombie
This was in reference to an earlier post of Port's "aging midfield", It was just to show that the Crows rely on their older players aswell, if not more, as the Power do, as do most teams.

So as per my 1st response, apart from Bickley, which midfield Crow is not going to play for 5+ years? None I would suggest. Most of our key midfielders are in their prime (mid-20's) & we have younger blokes (ie. Doughty, Gallagher, Mattner, Reilly) coming through, but will have limited opportunites. Midfield is not a problem in the forseeable future - we need key position players. Both Pav & Carey would do nicely.

 

[Zombie]

Originally posted by Kane McGoodwin
So as per my 1st response, apart from Bickley, which midfield Crow is not going to play for 5+ years? None I would suggest. Most of our key midfielders are in their prime (mid-20's) & we have younger blokes (ie. Doughty, Gallagher, Mattner, Reilly) coming through, but will have limited opportunites. Midfield is not a problem in the forseeable future - we need key position players. Both Pav & Carey would do nicely.

So are Port's, they are in fact younger, Doughty and Gallagher are fringe players who need to step up a bit before they can be classed as regulars at the AFL level.

Mattner is a rookie so it's abit hard to tell yet and Reilly still battles to get a game in the Sturt lineup, although that is because Sturt, Norwood and Centrals are being bastards to the AFL teams this year.

Carey will go to Sydney and Pavlich will go to Port, sorry

 

[Macca19]

Originally posted by Kane McGoodwin
So as per my 1st response, apart from Bickley, which midfield Crow is not going to play for 5+ years? None I would suggest. Most of our key midfielders are in their prime (mid-20's) & we have younger blokes (ie. Doughty, Gallagher, Mattner, Reilly) coming through, but will have limited opportunites. Midfield is not a problem in the forseeable future - we need key position players. Both Pav & Carey would do nicely.

I dont think Zombie was ever suggesting the Crows midfield was a problem. Tyson posted that Port has an aging midfield...Zombie posted that in fact Port has a younger midfield on average (you can add 12 players to that 'core' list and Port will still be younger).

Zombie: I think Doughty has done enough this year to suggest he is a regular AFL player.

 

[Zombie]

Originally posted by Macca19

Zombie: I think Doughty has done enough this year to suggest he is a regular AFL player.

So did J.Gallagher last year...

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Originally posted by Macca19
I dont think Zombie was ever suggesting the Crows midfield was a problem. Tyson posted that Port has an aging midfield...Zombie posted that in fact Port has a younger midfield on average (you can add 12 players to that 'core' list and Port will still be younger).

Firstly, Tyson doesn't speak in behalf of all Crows supporters. Secondly, neither Port or the Crows have to worry about having an aging midfield, as both have a good core group of player & good youngsters in the wings.