PC Pc Gaming/building thread

[biaseddustyfan]

May or may not have pulled the trigger on a SFF build in the last 24 hours

7800X3D
32gb ram
4tb ssd
750w PSU

In a Fractal Terra Case

gpu is up in the air at this point. Intention is to either go bare bones until I make up my mind on a current gpu or test the waters and see if my old and unused 2080ti squeezes in for the time being.

git a 5080

 

[Xtreme]

git a 5080

That is an option, part of my master plan (thought of this pre covid too lol) build the brunt of the system.... hold off on the gpu. Yes I'd still spend lots of money overall.... but spending it bit by bit = makes it easier to digest rather than blowing it all at once.

 

[dwwaino]

GPU prices are dropping like a rock. 5080s starting for under $2k and 5090s in the $4ks. Might get a further reduction soon as NVIDIA have admitted there is too much inventory because people aren't buying them. The Supers are also on the horizon and a 5080 Super with 24gb will sell like hot cakes but if I see a premium 5090 like a Suprim or Astral (current OG non Super version) for sub $5k I might bite.

 

[dav3]

GPU prices are dropping like a rock. 5080s starting for under $2k and 5090s in the $4ks. Might get a further reduction soon as NVIDIA have admitted there is too much inventory because people aren't buying them. The Supers are also on the horizon and a 5080 Super with 24gb will sell like hot cakes but if I see a premium 5090 like a Suprim or Astral (current OG non Super version) for sub $5k I might bite.

$1799 for a 5080 right now - https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/918639

Who knows about the Supers, it's been a rumour for ages but part of me thinks it's clowns dreaming of magical 24GB GPUs. I'm sure they'll come eventually, but might be a while away, particularly if they're not moving current stock. 24GB? Sounds like Nvidia is trying to put some trust in their compression tech before they bump already high prices with a 50% bump in RAM.

 

[dwwaino]

$1799 for a 5080 right now - https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/918639

Who knows about the Supers, it's been a rumour for ages but part of me thinks it's clowns dreaming of magical 24GB GPUs. I'm sure they'll come eventually, but might be a while away, particularly if they're not moving current stock. 24GB? Sounds like Nvidia is trying to put some trust in their compression tech before they bump already high prices with a 50% bump in RAM.

I think that 24gb might have been the desired memory for the 5080 from the start but Micron didn't have the 3gb gddr7 modules ready in time. There is no extra room on the GB203 for a Super though and I don't know about if the 202 can be cut down so that's probably why the 5080 Super rumours have only always been about a memory bump.

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5080 SUPER spec leak: 24GB 32Gbps G7 memory and same core count as RTX 5080 - VideoCardz.com

RTX 5080 SUPER specifications revealed by Kopite7kimi One of the most recognized NVIDIA leakers is back with an update on company plans. Usually, when Kopite7kimi shares updates on the GeForce series, it means NVIDIA has provided specs to board partners. This doesn’t always mean the specs are...

videocardz.com

 

[gaskin]

Is 24gb even necessary at the moment?

 

[dwwaino]

24gb just makes the 5080 a genuine native 4K card without the need for DLSS. Mind you while I have come close only a couple times to maxing out the 16gb on my 5080 I still prefer to use even DLSS Quality because I prefer the frames. I'm sure there is also the reason of being able to market a 24gb 5080 for AI and other machine learning uses.

 

[Xtreme]

May or may not have pulled the trigger on a SFF build in the last 24 hours

7800X3D
32gb ram
4tb ssd
750w PSU

In a Fractal Terra Case

gpu is up in the air at this point. Intention is to either go bare bones until I make up my mind on a current gpu or test the waters and see if my old and unused 2080ti squeezes in for the time being.

I did pull the trigger with a 5070ti......
It arrived this morning, turned it on just to make sure it would work.
Jump forward to tonight and have been setting it up since 7pm (really just downloading/installing games + setting up browsers, doing passwords to sites etc to kill time).

Loving the SFF shoe box, I hope to get some longevity out of it.... but know the novelty factor may ensure that it doesn't last a decent amount of time. I'd be thrilled with 10+ years, but expecting 5ish ?

 

[dwwaino]

5070ti is easily the best "value" NVIDIA card this gen. It will last a while.

Looks like I finally got a buyer for my PC, but won't celebrate until the cash is in my hand. Had to sell considerably less than what I wanted and in hindsight I should have just sold the graphics card and turfed the rest. Also sold an LG C1 recently and still have to do my tax so I think I'll pull the trigger on a 5090 in the coming weeks. Can also sell my 5080 after to cover some more. Just waiting to see what's going to happen with the Astral, Suprim and Aorus Master prices. If the current pricing doesn't budge (it has been falling every week for the last month!) then the MSI Vanguard looks like a good buy*.

*relatively speaking.

 

[Xtreme]

5070ti is easily the best "value" NVIDIA card this gen. It will last a while.

Looks like I finally got a buyer for my PC, but won't celebrate until the cash is in my hand. Had to sell considerably less than what I wanted and in hindsight I should have just sold the graphics card and turfed the rest. Also sold an LG C1 recently and still have to do my tax so I think I'll pull the trigger on a 5090 in the coming weeks. Can also sell my 5080 after to cover some more. Just waiting to see what's going to happen with the Astral, Suprim and Aorus Master prices. If the current pricing doesn't budge (it has been falling every week for the last month!) then the MSI Vanguard looks like a good buy*.

*relatively speaking.

Oh yeah my last post was meaning hoping the system lasts overall being a SFF, might not be GREAT for the motherboard/cpu etc if it's a roast oven internally most of the time lol. I know the 5070ti will be a good card for a while. Plus I don't always push pc game settings to high/ultra/maximum etc as a lot of them tend to wreck my eyes after a while or cause motion sickness (eg: Tessalation in a lot of the late 2000's and throughout the 2010's would cause motion sickness for me, so it's obviously better turned off lol).

 

[dwwaino]

Oh yeah my last post was meaning hoping the system lasts overall being a SFF, might not be GREAT for the motherboard/cpu etc if it's a roast oven internally most of the time lol. I know the 5070ti will be a good card for a while. Plus I don't always push pc game settings to high/ultra/maximum etc as a lot of them tend to wreck my eyes after a while or cause motion sickness (eg: Tessalation in a lot of the late 2000's and throughout the 2010's would cause motion sickness for me, so it's obviously better turned off lol).

As long as you have air flow I think you'll be surprised. The cooling on graphics cards these days is absolutely overkill. You might run a few degrees warmer in a SFF but in my full sized ATX case my 5080 hardly breaks into the 60s even if I'm flogging it. You'll find your 7800x3d will be the hottest part. That's what I've got and it will idle around 40-42c but will game in the 60s and that's on a 360mm AIO. It's a known warm chip. This is because they stacked the vcache on top of the compute die so the cache die is kind of smothering the compute die which pushes the temps up a bit as it can't cool as well. They've managed to put the cache die under the computer die on the 9000 series though so they run considerably cooler.

 

[Xtreme]

As long as you have air flow I think you'll be surprised. The cooling on graphics cards these days is absolutely overkill. You might run a few degrees warmer in a SFF but in my full sized ATX case my 5080 hardly breaks into the 60s even if I'm flogging it. You'll find your 7800x3d will be the hottest part. That's what I've got and it will idle around 40-42c but will game in the 60s and that's on a 360mm AIO. It's a known warm chip. This is because they stacked the vcache on top of the compute die so the cache die is kind of smothering the compute die which pushes the temps up a bit as it can't cool as well. They've managed to put the cache die under the computer die on the 9000 series though so they run considerably cooler.

haha yeah I'll stress less and just enjoy it, I did see the temps for the cpu be low when on idle and gaming it was around 55-60.

I think I struck it lucky with my last pc lasting 13 years (technically really 9-10 considering I mostly used my gaming laptops the last almost 4 years). I would have thought the motherboard would have shat itself, but I definitely do think the psu was on it's last legs..... hence why I slowly phased away from using it as often as I used to.

Once I've got everything organised I only plan on "thrashing it" on weekends and maybe intermittent used on weeknights - I currently have it set up in my lounge room, but it'll eventually go back in my spare/computer room. But this is why I have wanted a SFF for donkeys years - so I can take it from point a to point b easily without lugging around a gigantic tower.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

I feel personally attacked

Steam Users Buy Games They're Never Going to Play, Says Analyst

According to an industry analyst, many Steam users buy games they're never actually going to play, much to the benefit of developers.

wccftech.com

Been sucked in again.
Civ III Complete, Civ IV, Civ V, Civ VI. For under $20.

Already had Civ 3 but still bought the bundle for the rest of it.

 

[dwwaino]

Going to pull the trigger on a 5090 tomorrow provided my money clears from one of my banks to the other (cool story but there is a reason behind why I do this).

I haven't messed around with clocks anything since overclocking my old 2500k back in the day because since then I don't believe the gains are worth it and we've got so much headroom in the beefy coolers and stuff now. The 5090 though looks almost mandatory to undervolt as they're way too over juiced out of the box and 2800mhz at around 0.9mv is the sweet spot for 90% of the cards out there and brings the max power consumption to well under sub 500w with no loss of performance. In some instances it picks up frames. However I'm noticing just about every guide shifting the entire curve in Afterburner up before flattening at the top. This is lifting clocks at idle and low load and would idle much warmer than stock yet hardly anyone is mentioning it? Am I misunderstanding? Who is familiar with this?


Edit: ordered. I always go to Scorptec first and often forget to look around but after looking at PCCG yesterday I saw they had the 5090 Aorus Master not only nearly $400 cheaper than Scorptec but also $100 cheaper than launch price. It looks like the Palit and Zotac Solid have come back to almost MSRP price and the rest of the stack falling back into line with their launch price so there wasn't much room for the Aorus Master to discount further.

 

[Ry009]

About the same age as mine so I'm sure you're dealing with the same 50 year old house issues as me lol.

What's your current connection type? The only reason I can think of that it's not eligible for the free upgrade at the moment is that maybe you're on HFC/cable? Unless you're just unlucky and in one of the few areas that still aren't included yet. FTTC and FTTN are going to be eventually phased out which is why they're offering the upgrades. Anyway regardless of your connection type you will have a physical line coming from the street somewhere to your house. I'm 99% certain you'll have a communications trench somewhere on your lot and there will be an individual line for each house in there unless you've got overhead wires but I don't think that happens on divided lots. In my instance they just locate where my line terminates in the street, tied the new line to it then from where it attaches to my house just simply drag the line to pull it through and fit it to the new NTD. Job done.

If you're curious it might show on a Dial Before You Dig which is free. They don't always show internal connections but you never know. I did one recently for my lot looking for a water main (yeah, 50 year old house issues) which unfortunately didn't show me what I was looking for but I was also provided with an NBN overlay which showed the communications line.

Quick update.

Someone finally came out a month ago to assess, they have to dig a trench through the front yard of our unit, and some concrete near the front door (cried inside because I'd sewn some grass seed not long ago with great difficulty lol) then everything is getting lined across the top of the units.

After some additional WTF is going on, being told application is all good, but expecting install date of NOVEMBER.

 

[dwwaino]

Quick update.

Someone finally came out a month ago to assess, they have to dig a trench through the front yard of our unit, and some concrete near the front door (cried inside because I'd sewn some grass seed not long ago with great difficulty lol) then everything is getting lined across the top of the units.

After some additional WTF is going on, being told application is all good, but expecting install date of NOVEMBER.

I wonder why they can't use the existing trench. I can only assume that since it's an older place like mine the existing trench either isn't straight or they suspect maybe it has caved in. At least it's getting sorted. Are they charging you for the trench digging?

You won't know yourself with the new speed. What plan are you going on? The tiers should be lifted starting next month so 250 turns into 700.

RIP about the lawn. I'm having difficulty with some lawn in my backyard so I understand your pain.

 

[dwwaino]

Big dog and little dog

 

[gaskin]

Why both?

 

[dwwaino]

Why both?

I bought a 5080 when 5090s were unobtainable or a million dollars. I always wanted a 5090 though and now the prices have come right down (this one was $100 less than what it "launched" at). Both being Aorus Master wasn't intentional but it ended up that way.

Now to sell the 5080.

 

[Xtreme]

Big dog and little dog

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Nice, I went from an ASUS 560ti to an MSI Ventus 780ti and as luck would have it also got the MSI Ventus 2080ti variant a few years later

Crap picture of the Terra:

Enjoying it, but gotta get used to a "pc" again and the noise level is....... different - I know it's because of the nature of the case (vents + the cpu fan is virtually vibrating against the side). Temperatures are semi decent 30-35 for both gpu and cpu (sometimes 39) when doing nothing. Then it varies depending on the game but the gpu generally stays between 50-60.... when not in the 40s. The cpu bounces between 49 - highest 81.2 (bloody Robocop being power hungry! ).

And this was with measuring via the AMD Adrenalin software.... switched to hardware info and the readings are more precise.

Being a few "generations" behind I wasn't prepared for the gpu and power supply fans not spinning unless under heavy load. Thought something was wrong.

Oh and I felt like a right royal ninny, being a SFF pc I thought I'd have a few issues doing any of the upgrades myself (tight compact space etc). Upon opening the case, I could pretty much change things around without too much trouble. I just thought being in a tight compact space the gpu/psu would get in the way of chopping and changing things (like the ssd). I don't plan on upgrading ssd's for a long while yet..... but I'm keen on acquiring an 8tb ssd one day

 

[dwwaino]

Nice, I went from an ASUS 560ti to an MSI Ventus 780ti and as luck would have it also got the MSI Ventus 2080ti variant a few years later

Crap picture of the Terra:

How are the temps?

 

[Xtreme]

How are the temps?

Hit post too early, my story is now attached lol

 

[dwwaino]

Hit post too early, my story is now attached lol

The 7800x3d idling in the 40s isn't abnormal. The spikes are normal, maybe wouldn't have expected 80s but that be a SFF thing. It's a warm CPU as I mentioned and in a full sized ATX case on an AIO mine will game in the 60s. It may spike to the 70s but I don't use HWInfo unless I'm looking for something specific so the software I'm using may not update readings are regularly.

Different software will give different readings though as they do it differently but HWInfo and Ryzen Master are generally considered the most accurate.

Swapping SSDs is a pain on most systems now I think regardless if it's SFF or not lol. They put the main one right underneath the graphics card on every motherboard.

 

[Xtreme]

The 7800x3d idling in the 40s isn't abnormal. The spikes are normal, maybe wouldn't have expected 80s but that be a SFF thing. It's a warm CPU as I mentioned and in a full sized ATX case on an AIO mine will game in the 60s. It may spike to the 70s but I don't use HWInfo unless I'm looking for something specific so the software I'm using may not update readings are regularly.

Different software will give different readings though as they do it differently but HWInfo and Ryzen Master are generally considered the most accurate.

Swapping SSDs is a pain on most systems now I think regardless if it's SFF or not lol. They put the main one right underneath the graphics card on every motherboard.

That's what I was concerned about with the SSD, but luckily I have a relatively direct path to it after opening the side panel. I was expecting the cooler to be the main obstruction, but it should be an easy unscrew, take out, put new ssd in, put screw back in process.

I'm much more relaxed about the temperature situation now, I was just expecting the worst (80s/90s all of the time lol). The highest temp reading during Robocop was when it was "compiling" for the first time before the title screen was accessible (similar to when you install Black Myth Wukong and it compiles shaders). It was at the "highest" category, the average was lower.

I'll run a few more games and see what the "average" temperature is. There's so much I want to do!

 

[Ry009]

I wonder why they can't use the existing trench. I can only assume that since it's an older place like mine the existing trench either isn't straight or they suspect maybe it has caved in. At least it's getting sorted. Are they charging you for the trench digging?

You won't know yourself with the new speed. What plan are you going on? The tiers should be lifted starting next month so 250 turns into 700.

RIP about the lawn. I'm having difficulty with some lawn in my backyard so I understand your pain.

Maybe my understanding was off, but plans say there's two blockages at the lead in. It is an older set of units.

Surprised we're not paying extra on top of the base install cost. Not excited ths they're digging up concrete. A mini excavator had to dig a massive hole at the pit which is our the front of our unit on the nature strip, and they did a shit house job of packing it back in. Token grass seed which naturally birds eat instantly so it's still a mud pit.

Yeah looking forward to getting back into MSFS 2024 which even recommended and not ideal specs are 50 Mbps. It's making me second guess about upgrading the GPU and CPU with prices coming back now. Wondering if I can get by with my Corsair 850 PSU, think my MB needs an upgrade though. Then the thoughts of other parts snowball into a whole new build lol which is tough when we're trying pay off and eventually get out of where we are now haha.