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I recent built this PC
Very happy so far, I don't game but need a solid AutoCAD desktop for renders. That's why I went with a ryzen 7 for the 8 cores. Maybe in 5 years I'll update the gpu and cpu that'll suit the b450 motherboard, I just didn't want to spend more than $1500 right now.
Zen 3 is expected to have 4 way SMT.
So an 8 core will be 32 thread and I would expect compatibility with B450.
 

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Couldn't agree more.
Personally I'm waiting for B550 boards but would buy a B450 if time was a factor...
I check out this guy sometimes because while seeming really low key he often has fantastic real world advice and he said just that. For 3600x and 3700x aim for the b450 as there is about a 6 month wait on b550 and the 570 stuff is for the big boys. He does this comparison on the b450 Tomahawk.

 

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Sounds like Anandtech are redoing their review using an updated BIOS that seems to give the 3900X a bit of a boost, so we may see some improved numbers from the range shortly.
 

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I check out this guy sometimes because while seeming really low key he often has fantastic real world advice and he said just that. For 3600x and 3700x aim for the b450 as there is about a 6 month wait on b550 and the 570 stuff is for the big boys. He does this comparison on the b450 Tomahawk.

Ha I occasionally watch American home shopping teeth guy as well.
X570 is waaaay overkill for any gamer. I'm looking at the Tomahawk, Gaming carbon AC or an Aorus B450.
About to pull the trigger on a GSkill ram kit from Newegg Aust. A 16gb 3200mhz CL 14 Samsung B Die kit for $200.
 

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Q:
Looking for the pros and cons for building on a new platform.

Option 1. 64/128gb m.2 nvme SSD boot drive. + 1tb SATA SSD games storage. + 2tb SATA HHD mass photo storage.

Option 2. 1tb m.s nvme SSD boot and games. + 2tb SATA HHD mass photo storage.

I'm thinking Option 1 for the ease of being able to do a clean Windows install in the event of corruption etc...
 

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Q:
Looking for the pros and cons for building on a new platform.

Option 1. 64/128gb m.2 nvme SSD boot drive. + 1tb SATA SSD games storage. + 2tb SATA HHD mass photo storage.

Option 2. 1tb m.s nvme SSD boot and games. + 2tb SATA HHD mass photo storage.

I'm thinking Option 1 for the ease of being able to do a clean Windows install in the event of corruption etc...
I prefer option 1 of those. Been thinking about HDD configs myself but can't commit until I pick a mobo.

The only thing I'm going to different to yourself is go with only SSD's. 500gb boot and 1tb media (ideally both m.2 but wait and see on mobo) with all mass storage being external drives or a hot swap dock. I may go for a third (or more) sata SSD if I find some on sale, as I like the mounting options in the H700 case I got.
 

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I'm closest to option one but I've hardly ever got more than 5 or 6 games installed at once so I'm not too bothered if I had to wipe the drive. I've got my OS, general software and a couple games on one sata 500gb SSD, a couple games on a second sata 500gb, but now I install any game to a 1tb m.2 nvme that I only added earlier this year. It's all over the place as it was never planned but for what it's worth I don't notice any difference between the drives as I'm not transfering large enough files.
 

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I'm an avid gamer and a graphic designer - so being able to have quick write speeds, fast boot time, app open etc. is a lifesaver when I need to turn my pc on and make a quick change to a large-size document. I used to work on a 2009 mac at work and no joke it would take 15 minutes to boot and another 5-10 to open the apps so I'd have to schedule the damn thing to turn on at 8am every weekday morning and open Photoshop/InDesign/Illustrator so I could jump straight in to work when I got in between 8:30 and 9 #goodtimes

For my home system:
I have a 256gb SSD with OS, Office & the Adobe Suite plus docs etc.
Then a 2TB WD black for games & a 4TB WD black for media, although I might just bite the bullet and get a NAS for media in the next year or so

I have all my documents, photos, design work upload straight to my onedrive (thanksNBN) then make the folders I don't need available offline-only and then make them online as needed

Helps having decent NBN too

I also have an older 128gb SSD (both are Intels BTW) that I use as a portable with a case that I'll probably end up using as external storage for my nvidia shield
 

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Q:
Looking for the pros and cons for building on a new platform.

Option 1. 64/128gb m.2 nvme SSD boot drive. + 1tb SATA SSD games storage. + 2tb SATA HHD mass photo storage.

Option 2. 1tb m.s nvme SSD boot and games. + 2tb SATA HHD mass photo storage.

I'm thinking Option 1 for the ease of being able to do a clean Windows install in the event of corruption etc...
Personally I'm in the option 1 boat.

Option 2 is potentially better if you partition it, 128gb is pushing it for a boot partition. Go 250 for your OS and 750 for games and you'll get the best of both worlds.

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I'm not in a hurry to build but couldn't resist this for $207.94 AUD shipped.
https://www.newegg.com/global/au-en/g-skill-16gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232409?Item=N82E16820232409 (dunno why link is broken, I bought a 16gb, 2x8 kit in black/silver)

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Gskill Trident Z 3200mhz Cas Latency 14-14-14-34.
Only Samsung B Die modules can run timings that tight and it was only just recently announced that B-Die production is being discontinued so better get it whilst you can!

Same kit but RGB version found locally: https://www.pccasegear.com/products/42558/g-skill-trident-z-rgb-f4-3200c14d-16gtzr-16gb-2x8gb-ddr4

B die finder link if anyone is interested: https://benzhaomin.github.io/bdiefinder/
 

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Been thinking of building a PC for the first time for the last 12. Want to bite the bullet and get started.

Done a bit of research from a wide range of resources, but some of these can often be quite outdated.

Was wondering if any of you could point me in the direction of your favourite or best PC build resources for beginners. It can be difficult deciding what info is reliable as I am new to it all.
 

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Pretty good chat from LTT...


@1:55 "Intel's entire product lineup is basically obsolete at this point"
@17:36 (Unless you really want RTX or need the hardware H.264 encoder) "There is no reason to go nVidia"

Also they are expecting CPU improvements with bios and Windows scheduler updates.
Nothing mentioned on Navi drivers but I would expect improvements over the next few updates.

$629 AUD 5700XT is performing within parity of the $939AUD 2070 Super & GTX 1080ti.
It's also within striking distance of the $1049 RTX 2080.
More gamers need to pay attention to this...

For perspective the 1%ers have to spend at least $1749AUD for the cheapest RTX 2080ti...
 

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Been thinking of building a PC for the first time for the last 12. Want to bite the bullet and get started.

Done a bit of research from a wide range of resources, but some of these can often be quite outdated.

Was wondering if any of you could point me in the direction of your favourite or best PC build resources for beginners. It can be difficult deciding what info is reliable as I am new to it all.

Give them a few days to update their recommendations, the lists are pre the latest AMD launch from Sunday...
 

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Been thinking of building a PC for the first time for the last 12. Want to bite the bullet and get started.

Done a bit of research from a wide range of resources, but some of these can often be quite outdated.

Was wondering if any of you could point me in the direction of your favourite or best PC build resources for beginners. It can be difficult deciding what info is reliable as I am new to it all.
http://www.logicalincrements.com can be a handy guide. Make sure you're viewing the Australian version.

As Gold Member alluded to with the WP one, LI will also soon be updated (within the week apparently) to reflect the new AMD CPUs/GPUs.
 

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That's being a little disingenuous, Anthony said that's when partnering the 5700XT with a 3600x.
So by extension 3600X is all the cpu that's required for all of 5700XT, 2070 Super or GTX 1080ti and below. It is also withing striking distance of the RTX 2080.
That leaves 1 graphics card (not counting previous generation Titans) that "requires" more cpu than a 3600x, the $1749AUD RTX 2080ti.
 

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The GPU market is so confusing at the moment. It's so hard to find value in the high end. Aus pricing on the Super cards is disgusting and the 5700XT may be just a little bit underpowered to push an ultra wide QHD above 100fps.

That leaves only cards $1k and up for brand new or looking for a nice used 1080ti or 2080 for $7-800.
 

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The GPU market is so confusing at the moment. It's so hard to find value in the high end. Aus pricing on the Super cards is disgusting and the 5700XT may be just a little bit underpowered to push an ultra wide QHD above 100fps.

That leaves only cards $1k and up for brand new or looking for a nice used 1080ti or 2080 for $7-800.
Super pricing is a joke and the non-Super's didn't even get that much shaved off. The 2060 Super is nearly what I paid for my 680 and 980. Anything under high end is now covered by AMD (finally, options!) but if you want the top shelf for no other reason than just because then you're going to have to sell a kidney. 5700XT would be fine if you don't mind dialling back a few settings. Unless you're like me who mostly plays single player games and gets annoyed if they can't jack everything to max and still be playable.

It's looking like the 2080ti Super was false (probably would have priced like a Titan and out of reach anyway). I too was looking at something to drive an ultra wide but I was waiting to see what the new high refresh plus HDR monitors would be like. Not sure if I'm keen on a VA panel for PC so I'd need to check them out in person and not just judge by reviews. My 1080ti is currently solid at 2650x1440p with new AAA games around 80-100fps with everything maxed out but looking at some tests online jumping up to 3440x1440p would put a fair bit more load on, hence I was looking for an upgrade. Not sure if the ~$1800 outlay for an 2080ti is really worth it from a 1080ti, but if Nvidia are only getting to Ampere now which seems to be the Volta replacement, then who knows how long it will be until they release a Turing upgrade. Hopefully before the end of the year we hear more about Cyberpunk 2077 requirements and see more PC gameplay with post-processing and not the alpha footage we currently have. That, for me anyway, will be the deciding factor on whether I raid the piggy bank and treat myself to a new screen and 2080ti or I hold fire.

I'm hanging for 3950x info. I thought the 3900x was going to be my upgrade path but purely for gaming (which is all I use this computer for) it was disappointing in comparison to my 8700k. Unless the 3950x beats the 9900k in gaming then unfortunately there will be no new build for me :huh:. I guess I'll just have to wait for the 4000 series lol. The never ending carrot on the stick!
 
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The GPU market is so confusing at the moment. It's so hard to find value in the high end. Aus pricing on the Super cards is disgusting and the 5700XT may be just a little bit underpowered to push an ultra wide QHD above 100fps.

That leaves only cards $1k and up for brand new or looking for a nice used 1080ti or 2080 for $7-800.
CONFUSING?? :oops:
Let me clear that up for you.



Here's a table from that video:

GameYear published5700XTBase %2070 SUPER% DifferenceRTX 2080% Difference
Assassin's Creed OdysseyOct 20188510091107.06%95111.76%
BFVNov 201814510012686.90%13794.48%
Kingdom Come DeliveranceFeb 20189010095105.56%103114.44%
Metro ExodusFeb 20198810093105.68%101114.77%
Forza 4Oct 201815410013185.06%14795.45%
Witcher 3May 2015133100139104.51%158118.80%
The Division 2Mar 20198510089104.71%100117.65%
Rage 2May 2019126100126100.00%138109.52%
Rainbow 6 SiegeDec 2015199100219110.05%238119.60%
AVE %122.8FPS100.00%123.2FPS101.06%135.2FPS110.72%
Price$629$939149.28%$1049166.77%

Notes: (off the top of my head)
5700XT is on day 1 drivers. Expect improvement.
Both nVidia cards have had 10 months for the drivers to mature.
5700XT 2 heaviest defeats are in the oldest titles. Highly likely the drivers have a lot of room for improvement in those 2 titles.
The 3rd heaviest defeat is in Metro, an nVidia sponsored title.
Yes BFV is also an nVidia title but it was an AMD title previously.
Forza favours asynchronous compute.



There you go.
2070 Super gives you +1.06% performance increase for 49.28% more money.
RTX 2080 gives you +10.72% performance increase for 66.77% more money.


For s**ts and giggles, the RTX 2080ti will give approx +35% performance increase for 174.88% more money.

Also a 2nd hand GTX 1080ti will be around the same performance +/- a few % for around $800-$900 or 40% more money.
To be fair the 1080ti is possibly a better option thanks to the 11GB vram vs 8GB.

What is there to be confused about? :think:
10% performance is nothing. Turn down AA and textures from Ultra to High and you've easily made up the 10% FPS difference.

These numbers were benched at 1920x1080.
1920x1080 to 2560x1440 will see you losing approx 25% of framerate
2560x1440 to 3440x1440 a further loss of another 25% of framerate
As a general rule you can just about double your FPS by changing the settings to very low.
So you should be able to game at 3440x1440 ultrawide at approx 100fps medium settings IMO. Maybe JordanWCE can clarify at this resolution on a 1080ti.

PS. G-SYNC is now a deadend. nVidia now support Freesync. Buy a freesync monitor (which are cheaper) and you're free to change GPU vendors as much as you like, even to Intel next year if they knock it out of the park!
Do not let nVidia lock you into their ecosystem. Look at those prices FFS.

Yes, I am a fanboi,
of getting mileage for my dollar.
IMO Intel CPU and nVidia deserve to get their teeth kicked in for around 5 years to let the market share find equilibrium, they have both been gouging the consumer for the last 5 years... Then we will see real price to performance value.
 
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