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Religion Pell Guilty!
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Well ok. Another thing I copped shit for was disputing that the Complainant's evidence was flawless. It wasn't. And this has been clearly demonstrated.
To the extent that still now there is an absence of clarity about not just the dates of the offences but the years.
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You were criticised for that claim because you made it in total ignorance.
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No I didn't. I said I had been told by those close to the defence that the idea that the Complainant had been such a compelling witness was not necessairily true. And that his evidence had been found wanting on a number of occasions. It's important to remember what I said, not what others characterised as my words.
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You are barracking again, and allowing wishful thinking to cloud your judgement.
As are many others on here from both "teams".
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Weinberg is a super impressive person - he is also humble
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I was certainly barracking with that particular post.
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"Not necessarily true" the most fervent advocate for the One True Faith is getting post modern all of a sudden. All of a sudden all these reactionaries don't believe in trial by jury -and Bruce is a lawyer
I am up and down on this but I reckon he will be acquitted
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Ffs, prosecutor Boyce let slip accuser’s name. Lucky live feed is on 15 sec delay.
well now - you might recall Contra that my big take out from the trial was fussing over by what means the penis could be exposed from the Archbishop's ornate regalia and whether the jury had tested for itself?
And so guess which Honor's mind has been exercised by that essential detail? - yes indeedy who but my Pillow Talk Pick (PTP).
As His Honour ruled towards end of morning proceedings - the alb has to be lifted up no question about it. It cannot be moved from "side to side" as in complainants evidence.
And lifted up, his Honor opined, then raised the question as to how the Applicant (Pell) had managed to use both hands freely during the following manouvres in the sacristy.
Best of all this led to the Prosecutor advising their Honors that they should try the robes on and see for themselves. Which they seemed to agree to.!
My goodness - can't claim to be humble, far be it - but me and Weinberg? Great minds think alike.
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Boyce confirmed to Maxwell that the jurors had not only examined the robes in court, they had in fact had them in the Jury Room - where they had the opportunity to try them on if they wished.
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Both this post and the post to which it responds are true.
It will be interesting to see whether they do actually try on the robes.
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They might or not tell us when they finally deliver their decision.
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They might or not tell us when they finally deliver their decision.
Many have said it's no different to a priest. It's very different. Leaving aside the matters leading up to the event, the idea that you'd commit an opportunist crime whilst dressed up that way is just weird.
It would be highly camp! Demand pics!
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This prosecutor is hopeless, he is asked a question regarding what advantage does a jury have over the three judges, yet all he does is waffle for a few moments.
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If the theatre of the Appeal decided the outcome, Pell would be walking out the front door of the Supreme Court today.
It doesn't, so he won't, but in terms of a contest in and of itself, the Defence has won by a significant margin.
It doesn't, so he won't, but in terms of a contest in and of itself, the Defence has won by a significant margin.
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Look up the word opportunist.
Is this prosecutor young and new to the game? Anyone know?
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The judges and both counsel have struggled with this question. The reason is that their vision of the complainant is, unusually, exactly the same as the jury's.
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I gathered that however he seems to be struggling to address any questions put to him, Pell's defense team would be enjoying this because it is as though he hasn't read the brief.
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No. He's very good. He's not had a good day. And the judge's have given him a hard time.
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It even goes a little further than that, they have actually watched video of the whole trial, so they are trying to anticipate what the High Ct might mean in such (as yet untested) circumstances where there the jury has no immediately obvious advantages over the Appeal Court
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Pell might have thought that (for the sake of the discussion) if it was midnight and no one was about to walk in.
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Correct.
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