Religion Pell Guilty!

[Del191229]

And while I’m a victim of one of these turds - my spell in the system was for nothing related to that - but largely as a result of it

I did a piece on Cornton Vale - the women's prison in Scotland - back in the day when I worked as a journo and on the day I visited, every single woman in the place had reported on admission they'd been the victim of sexual assault at some point in their life.

I don't think the number would be as high for men, but the percentage of prisoners who had been abused would be well above what the avergae population rate is.

 

[Snake_Baker]

I did a piece on Cornton Vale - the women's prison in Scotland - back in the day when I worked as a journo and on the day I visited, every single woman in the place had reported on admission they'd been the victim of sexual assault at some point in their life.

I don't think the number would be as high for men, but the percentage of prisoners who had been abused would be well above what the avergae population rate is.

Significant child abuse (not necessarily sexual) is in the high 90% range for male prisoners.

Good luck getting any middle/upper class, private schoolboy educated judge to acknowledge that in any meaningful mitigatory fashion.

The legal system and prisons are a 100% political mechanism.

 

[Del191229]

Significant child abuse (not necessarily sexual) is in the high 90% range for male prisoners.

Good luck getting any middle/upper class, private schoolboy educated judge to acknowledge that in any meaningful mitigatory fashion.

The legal system and prisons are a 100% political mechanism.

For real, Pell got six years for a crime that Blind Freddy can see sent a 14 year old boy to die on the end of a needle, but Rob Karam got three decades for importing a chemical people want to take and far less harmful than alcohol.

That totally makes sense.

(And let's not even get into how Karam ended up in the jug)

 

[QuietB]

What go in front of another human and tell them everything that’s bothering you , everything you’ve done that you aren’t proud of etc
This kind of cathartic procedure is as old as the hills and as current as any modern day psychology.



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Does a psychologist direct you to say a couple of Hail Mary's to make the whole thing go away?

Let's be honest - the primary function of confession is to allow Christians to be exempt from acting like Christians.

 

[western royboy]

I get it, but I have not come across intimate knowledge of the inside workings of such places, because I never came across anyone who had admitted being there and was willing to talk about it. If a prisoner lobs from Ararat or Langi in to the mainstream, and let's that be known, then they are setting themselves up for a myriad on unfortunate outcomes, depending on where they are housed at that time, and their ability to explain why they were there.

If someone from Ararat lobbed in to mainstream Barwon, most of Port Phillip or Fulham, and declared where they previously were, then they would get turned on very quickly.

Let’s just say I was nowhere near Ararat or Langi, and I know of the situations you speak of because I’ve seen it first hand. A bloke arrived at my location and a couple vouched for him from a medium security jail. The word went round he was a tamp and he ran te screws box put himself in the slot and disappeared on a bus the next day - tamps are despised in the general prisoner population because a significant number have been interfered with ad kids

 

[Snake_Baker]

Let’s just say I was nowhere near Ararat or Langi, and I know of the situations you speak of because I’ve seen it first hand. A bloke arrived at my location and a couple vouched for him from a medium security jail. The word went round he was a tamp and he ran te screws box put himself in the slot and disappeared on a bus the next day - tamps are despised in the general prisoner population because a significant number have been interfered with ad kids

The blokes who vouched for him wouldn't have been popular either.

 

[Crankyhawk]

Do you understand just what a futile law it is? If the priests say “Oh yeah, no worries, we’ll report” how many confessions do you reckon they’d get? It’d go from about 1 per decade to 0.

It is important to have as law to show that personal belief even religious ones come secondary to the laws of the land.

Otherwise you could have (for example) ultra Orthodox Jews misquoting Old Testament to seek special rules for them being the “chosen of god” or white supremacy movements arguing for their own rules regarding who they choose to employ or conduct harassment against.

 

[Crankyhawk]

I’m only against it in the sense that it’s a futile law politically motivated to break down an institution that stands between absolute government control and the people.

It doesn’t protect kids. In fact it does the opposite. It leads the masses to believe “Hey look, we nailed those dirty Cathlicks, pedo issue solved.”

The pedo issue is not solved. It’s probably worse.

The church no longer has the moral authority to act as a believable or effective barrier to government control.

 

[BruceFromBalnarring]

It is important to have as law to show that personal belief even religious ones come secondary to the laws of the land.

Otherwise you could have (for example) ultra Orthodox Jews misquoting Old Testament to seek special rules for them being the “chosen of god” or white supremacy movements arguing for their own rules regarding who they choose to employ or conduct harassment against.

You can have the law all you like.

 

[AM]

Brucie will be counting the hours minutes.

George Pell appeal decision will be live-streamed next week

Cardinal George Pell will learn his fate on Wednesday next week when the Court of Appeal hands down its decision into whether his child sex abuse conviction should be overturned.

www.theage.com.au

 

[Present Not Past]

The church no longer has the moral authority to act as a believable or effective barrier to government control.

What does have this authority in 2019?

 

[Boston tiger]

Does a psychologist direct you to say a couple of Hail Mary's to make the whole thing go away?

Let's be honest - the primary function of confession is to allow Christians to be exempt from acting like Christians.

Not sure and wouldn’t know but I’m guessing a little bit of meditation may be the advice you’d get from a psychologist.






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[Crankyhawk]

What does have this authority in 2019?

Maybe media (abc in Australia)?
Mega corporations can stand up to government (for good or ill...)

 

[Present Not Past]

Maybe media (abc in Australia)?
Mega corporations can stand up to government (for good or ill...)

Agree with the ABC (although what is it's moral framework?)
Not convinced with mega corporations. They seem to always do what is in their interests and the interests of their shareholders.
Interesting that you didn't mention the legal system?

 

[Crankyhawk]

Agree with the ABC (although what is it's moral framework?)
Not convinced with mega corporations. They seem to always do what is in their interests and the interests of their shareholders.
Interesting that you didn't mention the legal system?

Re legal system honestly didn’t think of it; besides which legislation trumps common law (which I think is what judges determine)

 

[Sentinel]

Archbishop says prison preferable to complying with child abuse confession law

Priests would have to break the seal of the confessional and report any admissions of child abuse under proposed news laws

www.theguardian.com

They're going to have to open a whole new jail for these nonces.

What a complete shock that Archbishop Comensoli would say such a thing given his refusal to distance himself from his monster of a friend George Pell.

"To those people, I say firstly sorry, I want to say sorry," he said. "To all of you who have been abused and the community and the efforts to cover up and obfuscate." Predicatably hollow words.

Archbishop of Melbourne says George Pell remains a friend, apologises to abuse victims

The Archbishop of Melbourne has apologised to victims and to the broader community.

www.theage.com.au

 

[Sainteric]

Pell was in no better position than most others to stop it until he became Archbishop. When he became Archbishop he stopped it. (Cue the outraged "He offended himself!!!")

95% didn't do enough to prevent child abuse, and still don't. That there is the problem.

When he became archbishop he went as far as he could to limit payments and help victims.

I suspect that's what you mean by stopped it.

 

[eastfreo75]

It is important to have as law to show that personal belief even religious ones come secondary to the laws of the land.

Otherwise you could have (for example) ultra Orthodox Jews misquoting Old Testament to seek special rules for them being the “chosen of god” or white supremacy movements arguing for their own rules regarding who they choose to employ or conduct harassment against.

The 1905 Aboriginal Act in WA was law.

 

[BruceFromBalnarring]

When he became archbishop he went as far as he could to limit payments and help victims.

I suspect that's what you mean by stopped it.

No. He could have gone further to limit them. He could have limited them to the same amounts paid by the state to victims of state employees.

 

[HairyO]

And all it cost the country was the molestation of our children.

Far more kids molested and abused in state schools, state juvenile centres and other state run other organisations. For far less punishment to the perpetrators and far less compensation to the victims.

 

[Colonial]

Far more kids molested and abused in state schools, state juvenile centres and other state run other organisations. For far less punishment to the perpetrators and far less compensation to the victims.

Really? Care to share that info?

If so I'm all for hammering them as well.

I'm against it wether state or cult backed.

Though it's interesting you seem ok with the cults because "others are worse" supposedly.

 

[HairyO]

Really? Care to share that info?

If so I'm all for hammering them as well.

I'm against it wether state or cult backed.

Though it's interesting you seem ok with the cults because "others are worse" supposedly.

There is heaps of info out there. State institutions paid out half what the Catholic Church paid to victims.

And the burden of proof and hurdles to get that compensation was far more strict.

The Royal Commission barely touched on it because the government controlled the focus of the investigation.

Until the 1980s schools would send teachers interstate. They would swap pedophile teachers around, rather than go to the police.

 

[Snake_Baker]

Brucie will be counting the hours minutes.

George Pell appeal decision will be live-streamed next week

Cardinal George Pell will learn his fate on Wednesday next week when the Court of Appeal hands down its decision into whether his child sex abuse conviction should be overturned.

www.theage.com.au

It's now a media circus, so I doubt he's going to get a win.

 

[Lebbo73]

It's now a media circus, so I doubt he's going to get a win.

I’m confused as to why they need until Wednesday to make a decision!

 

[western royboy]

He protected a paedophile priest, so why is there a street named after him?

He failed to act when told about the actions of paedophile priest Gerald Ridsdale, so why is a street named after Monsignor Leo Fiscalini?

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Another confession ignored - tell me when you want me to stop...