Religion Pell Guilty!

[Maggie5]

Thanks. doesn't say much, but. Only one sentence.

i've been hoping someone would publish detailed accounts of witness evidence so if you come across one please post up?.

Kidd repeatedly told the jury he would give no hints as to the verdict they should return, and that they were not to make Pell a scapegoat for the church’s failings. Pell was at a significant disadvantage, he told them, owing to the decades that had passed and the fact he could not gather evidence from witnesses when their memories were more sound.

“You alone are the judges in this case,” he told the jurors. “It is not my responsibility to decide this case. That is your role. The verdict you return has nothing to do with me. You are not bound by any comments I make about the facts. Do not look to me for hints. I won’t give you any.”

He urged jurors to go home each night and clear their heads, he wished them restful weekends, and he acknowledged the gravity of the task they had randomly been assigned.

When a juror fell asleep while he was speaking, he said he would “try not to to take it personally” – then sent jurors away for the evening to ensure they only heard evidence while totally focused.

 

[Maggie5]

Anyone want to share a cell with George?

There is zero chance you are going to see that.

We might get more information from the redacted sections of the Royal Commission after the appeal but agree, no chance of witness evidence.

Actually after reading his statement for privacy after the trial, don't really want to see it.

 

[BruceFromBalnarring]

Some people might call More a hypocritical book-burning butcher.
But not me.
That's far too generous.

Fair enough too. He burnt a few people as well.

 

[Contra Mundum]

Some people might call More a hypocritical book-burning butcher.
But not me.
That's far too generous.

The patron saint of lawyers had a torture chamber in his house!!

 

[chelseacarlton]

Don't be a dick mate. I was abused as a child in country Victoria at a catholic school in the late 70's. This has caused constant depression, at times suicidal thoughts and alcohol abuse. I have always been Catholic and became a teacher in Catholic Schools. We teach teach kids values such as respect, treating people with dignity, empathy and honesty. I believe there is a God and that faith has got me through some dark times. As a Catholic, I cannot control the actions of pieces of shit like Pell and his freaks of mates. Being Catholic and going to a Catholic Church doesn't mean we support the vile crimes of some who have abused their authority. Australia first Saint was a women who taught" never see a need without doing something about it." That is what being Catholic means to me and I will continue to go to Church with that in mind.
It is your business if you think Religion is a scam. This is about the actions of some evil people, who don't represent the millions of good people who truly live out every day what being Catholic means.

Whilst I’m appalled by what happened to and I’m glad you’ve managed to keep yourself breathing, the no true Scotsman fallacy is alive and well within your post.

 

[Mitchell Madness]

I think you're blaming the cart for pushing the horse on this one. It's the other way around, there have been so many stories about child abuse within the Catholic Church because they have had so many child abusers and have refused to deal with the problem honestly. The Catholic Church has been reported on more than other religions because they are worse at it.

Oh, I agree there is issues. The problem I've observed for over 20 years is that the reports target the church, rather than the criminal. For what it's worth, I'm an atheist, and haven't set foot in a church since I was told my brother was going to help for being gay (I was 3 at the time)

 

[RupieDupie]

The patron saint of lawyers had a torture chamber in his house!!

And, apparently, a potty mouth that would not have been out of place on a BigFooty Forum

Catholicism sux!

But meanwhile, for as long as your reverend paternity will be determined to tell these shameless lies, others will be permitted, on behalf of his English majesty, to throw back into your paternity’s shitty mouth, truly the shitpool of all shit, all the muck and shit which your damnable rottenness has vomited up, and to empty out all the sewers and privies onto your crown divested of the dignity of the priestly crown, against which no less than against the kingly crown you have determined to play the buffoon.

 

[Forward Press]

Oh, I agree there is issues. The problem I've observed for over 20 years is that the reports target the church, rather than the criminal. For what it's worth, I'm an atheist, and haven't set foot in a church since I was told my brother was going to help for being gay (I was 3 at the time)

Well, if there is an organisation that has been proven, multiple times, to have a systemic issue with covering up and quietly transferring convicted sex offenders (often including sex offences with minors), the media are damn well entitled to question the organisation in question instead of merely the individuals.

 

[Colonial]

Oh, I agree there is issues. The problem I've observed for over 20 years is that the reports target the church, rather than the criminal. For what it's worth, I'm an atheist, and haven't set foot in a church since I was told my brother was going to help for being gay (I was 3 at the time)

Since its the organisation that continues to cover rape and pedophilia up year after year while also targeting other legal sections of our community.

I think the church cops much much less than what it deserves


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[Del191229]

"If we lived in a State where virtue was profitable, common sense would make us good, and greed would make us saintly. And we'd live like animals or angels in the happy land that needs no heroes. But since in fact we see that avarice, anger, envy, pride, sloth, lust and stupidity commonly profit far beyond humility, chastity, fortitude, justice and thought, and have to choose, to be human at all... why then perhaps we must stand fast a little --even at the risk of being heroes"

I'm #TeamCromwell all the way.

He would have known what to do with Pell.

 

[Admiral Byng]

Oh, I agree there is issues. The problem I've observed for over 20 years is that the reports target the church, rather than the criminal. For what it's worth, I'm an atheist, and haven't set foot in a church since I was told my brother was going to help for being gay (I was 3 at the time)

I think both have been targeted, and fairly.

 

[Del191229]

Some people might call More a hypocritical book-burning butcher.
But not me.
That's far too generous.

I can see exactly why Pell and his acolytes would adore him.

 

[Richard Pryor]

Since its the organisation that continues to cover rape and pedophilia up year after year while also targeting other legal sections of our community.

I think the church cops much much less than what it deserves


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Doing a deep dive it seems the Church actually regressed after Benedict resigned, despite Francis's good guy public image:

Though the sexual-abuse crisis reached its peak in the public sphere during Benedict XVI’s papacy, the single figure most responsible for ignoring this extraordinary accumulation of depravity is the sainted John Paul II. In the context of his predecessor’s deplorable neglect, Pope Benedict gets slightly higher marks than most. In 2001, he acted to give his office, the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, jurisdiction over all sexual-abuse cases, and soon he began to push the Maciel investigation, despite considerable Vatican opposition. After ascending the throne of St. Peter, he became the first Pope to kick predator priests out of the Church: in 2011 and 2012, the last two full years of his papacy, the Church defrocked three hundred and eighty-four offending priests.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/what-pope-benedict-knew-about-abuse-in-the-catholic-church

Pope Francis has reduced punishments for paedophile priests who abused children as young as 12. The leader of the world’s biggest faith wants to apply his vision of a ‘merciful’ church and has changed the punishments for a handful of priests.

Italian priest Mauro Inzoli had been sentenced to be ‘defrocked’ (removed from the priesthood) in 2012, but Pope Francis reversed the decision in 2014, telling him instead to stop public ministry and do penance and pray for the rest of his life.


Read more: https://metro.co.uk/2017/02/26/pope...es-out-of-the-priesthood-6473481/?ito=cbshare

It is notable that the Pope didn't see fit to reverse defrockings of priests who have supported ordination of women, but child abusers get mercy.

Barrett Doyle was critical of the pope for keeping Pell in his post until now, despite knowledge of the allegations against him.

“The pope is not a reformer when it comes to the crisis,” she said. “He apologizes often and uses buzz phrases like ‘zero tolerance.’ But underneath he remains the minimizer and the defender of accused priests.”

Robert Mickens, an American editor for the French Catholic magazine La Croix, said it was significant that Pell had stepped aside but he criticized the pope’s record on clerical abuse.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...x-abuse-charges-raise-pope-francis/445962001/

ROME — A five-month-old video released Friday shows Pope Francis accusing critics in Chile of “foolishness” for protesting his appointment of a bishop accused of covering up for the country’s most notorious abuser priest.

In January, Francis tapped Juan de la Cruz Barros Madrid as bishop of the small Osorno diocese, a move that sparked nationwide protest because Barros was accused of concealing sexual abuse allegations against the Rev. Fernando Karadima, a well-known local priest.

https://cruxnow.com/life/2015/10/04/francis-blasts-critics-of-chilean-bishop-tied-to-abuser-priest/

 

[Contra Mundum]

I'm #TeamCromwell all the way.

He would have known what to do with Pell.

He was a genocidal maniac - almost half the population of Ireland


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[Richard Pryor]

He was a genocidal maniac - almost half the population of Ireland


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It's something that I find fascinating about the American Revolution. Going off most revolutions prior to it one would expect George Washington, or another figure, to assume control as supreme dictator and unleash general violence and chaos on the Americas ala Robospierre/Cromwell.

 

[Forward Press]

Doing a deep dive it seems the Church actually regressed after Benedict resigned, despite Francis's good guy public image:


It is notable that the Pope didn't see fit to reverse defrockings of priests who have supported ordination of women, but child abusers get mercy.

Francis is merely the more palatable PR face for an organisation still rife with terrible people. The real power lies with the long time cardinals that have an iron grip on daily affairs and finances. Nothing will change unless Pope Francis decides to exercise his power to clean them all out - which will never happen. They have to die off and be replaced by younger cardinals who wouldn't tolerate it.

 

[blackcat]

David Marr's il Guardiana article seething vitriol. regretted reading it, thought it was unbecoming

 

[RupieDupie]

He was a genocidal maniac - almost half the population of Ireland


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I believe we're talking about Thomas (rather than Oliver), I believe Thomas only off'ed a few people's heads... and most likely did some other medi-evil shit, and given that he was good mates with Henry the VIIIth this would have been quite visceral and non-PC. But that's the problem with people in power.

 

[RupieDupie]

It's something that I find fascinating about the American Revolution. Going off most revolutions prior to it one would expect George Washington, or another figure, to assume control as supreme dictator and unleash general violence and chaos on the Americas ala Robospierre/Cromwell.

It is my personal belief and understanding that The American Revolution was inspired by the enlightenment, and that the enlightenment happened after certain people in France simultaneously lost the ability to smell, hear, taste and see.

 

[Present Not Past]

Kidd repeatedly told the jury he would give no hints as to the verdict they should return, and that they were not to make Pell a scapegoat for the church’s failings. Pell was at a significant disadvantage, he told them, owing to the decades that had passed and the fact he could not gather evidence from witnesses when their memories were more sound.

“You alone are the judges in this case,” he told the jurors. “It is not my responsibility to decide this case. That is your role. The verdict you return has nothing to do with me. You are not bound by any comments I make about the facts. Do not look to me for hints. I won’t give you any.”

He urged jurors to go home each night and clear their heads, he wished them restful weekends, and he acknowledged the gravity of the task they had randomly been assigned.

When a juror fell asleep while he was speaking, he said he would “try not to to take it personally” – then sent jurors away for the evening to ensure they only heard evidence while totally focused.

I've sat in a jury only once and the case ran for 2 weeks.
I can't imagine doing it for 3 months.
In my experience when we were first sent to the jury room to make a decision I remember there were some who were completely over it and begged that we come up with a verdict as quickly as possible just so they could go back to work.

 

[Strange Cat]

Francis is merely the more palatable PR face for an organisation still rife with terrible people. The real power lies with the long time cardinals that have an iron grip on daily affairs and finances. Nothing will change unless Pope Francis decides to exercise his power to clean them all out - which will never happen. They have to die off and be replaced by younger cardinals who wouldn't tolerate it.

Sounds familiar to a particular political party atm

Frightfully so

 

[Benny78]

Thanks. doesn't say much, but. Only one sentence.

i've been hoping someone would publish detailed accounts of witness evidence so if you come across one please post up?.

Can't you just accept this is Gods will?

 

[FredLeDeux]

Fair enough too. He burnt a few people as well.

Not as many as he wanted to, either.

 

[FredLeDeux]

I'm #TeamCromwell all the way.

He would have known what to do with Pell.

He would certainly have landed a few kicks as soon as it was safe to do so, ie after the appeal fails; he was the ultimate chancer.

 

[Sainteric]

I believe we're talking about Thomas (rather than Oliver), I believe Thomas only off'ed a few people's heads... and most likely did some other medi-evil shit, and given that he was good mates with Henry the VIIIth this would have been quite visceral and non-PC. But that's the problem with people in power.

He sacked some of the monasteries in Ireland and converted the Irish aristocracy into English with a few baubles, then when he was on Tower Hill declared himself Catholic again.