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JeanLucGoddard said:
LOL, duuuuuuuuuude. "As a Catholic who is #TeamPell, I think he'll get off and didn't do it."

Was talking to a journo mate about this, bloke is fairly well versed in stuff. His view is there's no way the cops and DPP would have even gone for it unless they were very sure they could get a verdict that would stand up.

Note the first jury didn't acquit.

He may well get off, but really, VicPol and our DPP are literally world experts in investigating and prosecuting historical child sex by Catholic clergy.

They got him. Got him good.
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1. Former Catholic, really, but I'll cop to #TeamPell. I don't like mobs and it seems to me they've gone after the only bloke who actually stood up ended the abuse within the church in Australia.

2. Time will tell, but I disagree with your journo mate.

3. You need unanimity to acquit, just as you do to convict.

4. VicPol and DPP are also world experts in pursuing a political agenda which will become more clear in time.

5. You're right. They did "get him good." Not sure it's something to celebrate though if what they got him for is a creation. Would seem to do the cause more harm than good I would think (the cause being the ending of child sexual abuse).
 
Bombermania said:
For an appeal to be successful it needs to be shown that the judge erred in law, in an appeal you are not allowed to rerun the defense case so unless it can be shown that the judge made a mistake either in his judgement such as incorrectly citing a case or made a procedural mistake or misdirected the jury then the verdict will stand.
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That's not correct. See Archbishop Phillip Wilson.

One of the grounds of appeal is that a certain animation was not allowed to be used. That is a legal ground although I personally think it's pretty light on.
 
BruceFromBalnarring said:
1. Former Catholic, really, but I'll cop to #TeamPell. I don't like mobs and it seems to me they've gone after the only bloke who actually stood up ended the abuse within the church in Australia.

2. Time will tell, but I disagree with your journo mate.

3. You need unanimity to acquit, just as you do to convict.

4. VicPol and DPP are also world experts in pursuing a political agenda which will become more clear in time.

5. You're right. They did "get him good." Not sure it's something to celebrate though if what they got him for is a creation. Would seem to do the cause more harm than good I would think (the cause being the ending of child sexual abuse).
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Number 4 reveals you think this is about politics rather than justice and its very attitude that allowed this problem to remain unresolved. Catholics need to stop blame shifting and start to face up to the problem because that is the only way it will be fixed.
 

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BruceFromBalnarring said:
1. Former Catholic, really, but I'll cop to #TeamPell. I don't like mobs and it seems to me they've gone after the only bloke who actually stood up ended the abuse within the church in Australia.
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Hang on, back up a second.



Are you seriously suggesting George Pell was the only person inside the Australian Catholic Church willing to stand up to put an end to child abuse?
 
Bombermania said:
Number 4 reveals you think this is about politics rather than justice and its very attitude that allowed this problem to remain unresolved. Catholics need to stop blame shifting and start to face up to the problem because that is the only way it will be fixed.
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Your comment seems to suggest the issue of child sexual abuse was confined to the Catholic Church.
 
BruceFromBalnarring said:
1. Former Catholic, really, but I'll cop to #TeamPell. I don't like mobs and it seems to me they've gone after the only bloke who actually stood up ended the abuse within the church in Australia.

2. Time will tell, but I disagree with your journo mate.

3. You need unanimity to acquit, just as you do to convict.

4. VicPol and DPP are also world experts in pursuing a political agenda which will become more clear in time.

5. You're right. They did "get him good." Not sure it's something to celebrate though if what they got him for is a creation. Would seem to do the cause more harm than good I would think (the cause being the ending of child sexual abuse).
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He may be guilty, but you have absolutely nailed number 4.
 
JeanLucGoddard said:
If so, that means so sex attacker can ever be convicted if the case hinges on the word of the victim only.
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I am not defending Pell and saying he did not do it. He might have done it, be we have no real way of knowing for certain. After that it all becomes subjective which side you choose to believe.

I'm an ex-protestant turned atheist, so I have no connection at all to the Catholic church.

I just see this conviction is going to be pretty hard to stick through the appeal process, so I can't jump on the let him burn in Hell bandwagon just yet.
 
A Cut Above said:
Hang on, back up a second.



Are you seriously suggesting George Pell was the only person inside the Australian Catholic Church willing to stand up to put an end to child abuse?
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No. I'm saying Pell was the only bloke in the Catholic Church who actually stood up AND ended the abuse. His predecessor, Archbishop Little, who everyone seems to love, did not. What Pell did required the power Pell finally attained.
 
FireKraquora said:
Isn't this what happens in the vast majority of rape cases? I heard something like 90% of such cases result in the defendant getting off due to a lack of evidence.

If you have one person making an accusation, and the other denying it, then one of them is lying by definition. In our "innocent until proven guilty" system, an uncorroborated allegation is generally not considered sufficient evidence to cast aside reasonable doubt.
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Not necessarily both lying.
 

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I've long thought Pell was a horrid man and long before his own accusations, his response to allegations of sexual abuse in the church were pathetic at best.

If he did commit these crimes then may he rot in gaol until an unmourned death. However *if* the jury has got this wrong then I would not wish such a smear upon anybody, even someone I detest as much as Pell.
 
BruceFromBalnarring said:
Your comment seems to suggest the issue of child sexual abuse was confined to the Catholic Church.
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Whilst no one is innocent from the Anglicans, Salvos to the Jews the vast majority of offences and the vast majority of systematic cover up happened in the Catholic Church
 
BruceFromBalnarring said:
Your comment seems to suggest the issue of child sexual abuse was confined to the Catholic Church.
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Another classic cope out used by Catholics, and no I don't say that but the church has been lacks in dealing with this problem, we have had mandatory reporting of child abuse in Victoria for quite sometime yet the church wants to keep matters behind the confessional. Turning a blind eye is the only way these abuses could be tolerated and they should never be tolerated.
 
BruceFromBalnarring said:
1. Former Catholic, really, but I'll cop to #TeamPell. I don't like mobs and it seems to me they've gone after the only bloke who actually stood up ended the abuse within the church in Australia.

2. Time will tell, but I disagree with your journo mate.

3. You need unanimity to acquit, just as you do to convict.

4. VicPol and DPP are also world experts in pursuing a political agenda which will become more clear in time.

5. You're right. They did "get him good." Not sure it's something to celebrate though if what they got him for is a creation. Would seem to do the cause more harm than good I would think (the cause being the ending of child sexual abuse).
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BruceFromBalnarring said:
No. I'm saying Pell was the only bloke in the Catholic Church who actually stood up AND ended the abuse. His predecessor, Archbishop Little, who everyone seems to love, did not. What Pell did required the power Pell finally attained.
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If you're saying we have George Pell to thank for the ending of child abuse in the Australian Catholic Church then I either have my facts completely upside down and have no grasp of the situation whatsoever, or you're a lunatic who unapologetically goes into bat for child abusers.
 

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Admiral Byng said:
Having read only the news reports today, I admit I am surprised at the verdict too. There does not seem to be anything other than the word of the victim. These sorts of cases usually fall on the not guilty by lack of beyond reasonable doubt. I also think this will be overturned on appeal.
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I know if I was on the jury about a case accusing a Priest of Sexual abuse I would find it very difficult to find him not guilty, let alone a man who has protected Paedophiles for over 40 years and who is 3rd in command of an organisation that has protected thousands(perhaps Millions) of Paedophiles and sexual abusers over his lifetime.
 
Bombermania said:
Another classic cope out used by Catholics, and no I don't say that but the church has been lacks in dealing with this problem, we have had mandatory reporting of child abuse in Victoria for quite sometime yet the church wants to keep matters behind the confessional. Turning a blind eye is the only way these abuses could be tolerated and they should never be tolerated.
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I'm not sure what you want the Church to do. They've owned up (too late yes but they have). They've ended the abuse, at least in this country.

They're paying compensation. Now you want them to shut down the confessional. Tell me something.....How many priests or others do you reckon would confess to abuse if there was mandatory reporting?
 
As a former teacher of Religious Education and a former Minister of the Eucharist for 20 years, a devout Catholic for the first 44 years of my life and now a Catholic waiting to return to the Church partially because of this bastard,"Rejoice in the Lord always: again I will say, Rejoice."(Phil 4:4)

He did a lot more to the Church and its people than just this conviction that some of us will never forgive him for. May he burn in the fires of Gehenna.
 
BruceFromBalnarring said:
No. I'm saying Pell was the only bloke in the Catholic Church who actually stood up AND ended the abuse. His predecessor, Archbishop Little, who everyone seems to love, did not. What Pell did required the power Pell finally attained.
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he did?
Pell was archbishop of melbourne in 1998.

in 1998, piece of shit julian fox was still principal at St Josephs school, in Ferntree Gully,(even though there were enough allegations) - and in that time, additional allegations were made.
in 1998, when victoria police were interested in this piece of shit, he shot through and disappeared... transferred to Fiji

****ing dirty scum, all of them.
 
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