Religion Pell Guilty!

[Len Nicodemo]

We're at cross purposes. The case I was referring to wasn't about Pell. I was trying to explain to whoever I was responding to that not all accusers are truthful.

And how do you know that? You must have some unbelievable powers of deduction to be able to speak for all those accusers.

 

[BruceFromBalnarring]

Nice attempt at diversion, stay on topic.

1. You think Pell isn’t guilty through pure speculation and what you ‘know’ happens.
2. You brought up a case claiming 4 victims were clearly lying when you have zero ability to deduce that even though they were found by a court to be telling the truth.

What next, you got an enlightening conspiracy for us on whether the earth is round?

Read what I ****ing wrote before abusing me at least.

 

[Del191229]

Shorten, Catholic Schools, Batman.

That's just retail politics, there's lots of kids in Catholic schools = lots of voter parents.

The days where the Church could affect/veto social policy are gone.

 

[BruceFromBalnarring]

And how do you know that? You must have some unbelievable powers of deduction to be able to speak for all those accusers.

You seem to think it not possible for an accuser to lie. I'm telling you it is possible. If you continue to think it's not possible, let's just agree to disagree.

 

[RupieDupie]

Surely Lebbo you don't support the stance that Devine and Bolt have taken - isn't defense of the rule of law a right wing shibboleth. The sober thing to do is to say the jury has spoken and we see what happens on the appeal.

It is a predicament, seems that certain ideological viewpoints (contrary to their name) can be rather fluid in their belief.

 

[Herne Hill Hammer]

Richter is one of the best criminal defence barristers there is, combined with the rest of the legal team sure the victims like the church paying for that when the victims under Pell's plan got pocket change. Mind you he does defend people no one else probably wants to like Julian Knight.

Pell isn't well don't be surprised if he doesn't see too much, if any time in jail whilst living in some luxury provided by the church whilst the various appeals take a while.

Alan Bond, with his frail walk and dodgy memory.

 

[Del191229]

Yeh but the rule of law is central to Conservative belief. On Pell and Devine - can you imagine of an Iman was convicted of pedophilia and Kaiser Trad came out in defense of the Imam - Devine would have got the lynch mob going

Lebbo and his type aren't conservatives, they call themselves that, but actually they are reactionaries, with various dollops of nationalism and ethno/sectarian bias added as required for the circumstance.

 

[Herne Hill Hammer]

Yeah I heard last year that a lot of journos and legal community were surprised at the verdict.

Yeah, from the little I've read up on, in this specific instance he may have been stitched in this case.

But for his body of work over the journey, he's a turd and deserves to rot. For decades he and the church have turned a blind eye to the goings on, paid off victims and moved predatory priests from one unsuspecting parish to the next. When someone has finally stood up to them, they bullied them and sullied their reputations and in the extreme, driven them to take their own lives, all in the name of the church.

**** him!

 

[Craven Morehead]

If you say someone did something to you. And the evidence shows without doubt that that person did not do that something to you. Then that means you have lied.

Simplistic gibberish.

 

[Sainteric]

Surely Lebbo you don't support the stance that Devine and Bolt have taken - isn't defense of the rule of law a right wing shibboleth. The sober thing to do is to say the jury has spoken and we see what happens on the appeal.

No, I hope Pell gets plenty of years in jail, but I think it won't survive an appeal.

It's the Hicks case in reverse.

 

[Del191229]

Get stuffed with your guilt shit. You want to be part of a mob that believes every accusation made against any person go right ahead. I am enormously sympathetic towards any victim of any kind of violence, sexual or otherwise, and particularly so towards children. I am also a realist. I know that a good number of such accusations are false. Not all. Not even most. But enough to have seen lives ruined and sometimes ended as a consequence of such false accusations.

There's been a number of accusations against Pell that have been investigated and haven't been found to have enough evidence to sustain conviction. That's good, that's the system working.

These accusations were investigated, prosecuted, and he's been convicted. That's good, that's the system working

If there were some 'mob" at work, he'd have been fitted up before, many times over. Instead, he's been afforded justice and justice has been served, in every case and accusation.

You're choosing to side with a convicted child rapist because you're personally emotionally invested in it.

 

[Gough]

Lebbo and his type aren't conservatives, they call themselves that, but actually they are reactionaries, with various dollops of nationalism and ethno/sectarian bias added as required for the circumstance.

The reaction of Bolt and his ilk just confirm they are some of the most radical people in this country, happy to tear down institutions to suit their own agendas. That they seem to think they are speaking for some sort of silent majority is just point and laugh territory.

 

[Len Nicodemo]

You seem to think it not possible for an accuser to lie. I'm telling you it is possible. If you continue to think it's not possible, let's just agree to disagree.

I just want you to back up what you’re saying? You’ve categorically stated 4 victims had their testimonies upheld yet you’re convinced they’re lying? So go through with it mate, explain WHY they are being untruthful.

If you can’t, then you’re doing nothing but speculating and all opinions going forward from you seem pretty light on substance.

Here’s your chance.

 

[Craven Morehead]

You seem to think it not possible for an accuser to lie. I'm telling you it is possible. If you continue to think it's not possible, let's just agree to disagree.

No-one is saying that it's impossible for an accuser to lie.
However, it is YOU who is accusing the witness of lying in Pell's case.
Your ASSUMPTIONS on what happened don't stack up against the accepted evidence which saw him convicted.

 

[AM]

Richter must be effing useless if he couldn't get him off, given all those "facts".

Who knew the Cardy was into Big Footy.

 

[BruceFromBalnarring]

I just want you to back up what you’re saying? You’ve categorically stated 4 victims had their testimonies upheld yet you’re convinced they’re lying? So go through with it mate, explain WHY they are being untruthful.

If you can’t, then you’re doing nothing but speculating and all opinions going forward from you seem pretty light on substance.

Here’s your chance.

Go back and read what I wrote FFS!

 

[A Cut Above]

Get stuffed with your guilt shit. You want to be part of a mob that believes every accusation made against any person go right ahead

I tend to believe accusations which become charges that then translate into prison sentences.


Just one of those crazy habits I've picked up over the years!

 

[Len Nicodemo]

There's been a number of accusations against Pell that have been investigated and haven't been found to have enough evidence to sustain conviction. That's good, that's the system working.

These accusations were investigated, prosecuted, and he's been convicted. That's good, that's the system working

If there were some 'mob" at work, he'd have been fitted up before, many times over. Instead, he's been afforded justice and justice has been served, in every case and accusation.

You're choosing to side with a convicted child rapist because you're personally emotionally invested in it.

The thing is, and what I’ve always maintained, is that right wingers are conspiracy theorists. They seem to think that the left is concocting this huge campaign to constrain free speech and use political correctness to soften society. Whereas all that political correctness is is a set of standards that outline what is and isn’t acceptable re tolerance.

Oh and on free speech, it might be worth reiterating to the right that aboriginals weren’t allowed to vote until 1967. What a way to contravene free speech rights.

 

[Len Nicodemo]

Go back and read what I wrote FFS!

I’ve read it, hence why we are here.

 

[BruceFromBalnarring]

There's been a number of accusations against Pell that have been investigated and haven't been found to have enough evidence to sustain conviction. That's good, that's the system working.

These accusations were investigated, prosecuted, and he's been convicted. That's good, that's the system working

If there were some 'mob" at work, he'd have been fitted up before, many times over. Instead, he's been afforded justice and justice has been served, in every case and accusation.

You're choosing to side with a convicted child rapist because you're personally emotionally invested in it.

This post ignores such accusations as "He (Pell) witnessed me being r*ped from the doorway" when Pell was somewhere in Europe and "He (Pell) stated loudly that Ridsdale's been rooting boys again" when Pell hadn't officiated in any ceremonies in that church that year and "Pell played with my old fella in a cinema when (whatever movie it was) was screening at Ballarat" when that movie hadn't been released in Ballarat at that time.

 

[giggler99]

These two parasites! Who is surprised? Bottom of the barrel scum!

 

[Len Nicodemo]

These two parasites! Who is surprised? Bottom of the barrel scum!

She knows him ‘slightly’. Cute.

 

[BruceFromBalnarring]

I’ve read it, hence why we are here.

Well read it again, because you are misquoting me. I did not say the 4 victims who had their testimonies upheld were lying.

 

[BruceFromBalnarring]

I tend to believe accusations which become charges that then translate into prison sentences.


Just one of those crazy habits I've picked up over the years!

That's fine. I respect that. But the post you are quoting was referring to a matter not involving Pell, where, in the circumstances referred to, the Defendant was found not guilty.

 

[Gough]

These two parasites! Who is surprised? Bottom of the barrel scum!

If this was Kaysar Trad instead of George Pell those two would be gleefully at the head of the lynch mob.