Religion Pell Guilty!

[CakeEater]

Comensoli's words do nothing to dispense the perception pedophilia is so common among Catholic priests they are happy to overlook peers molesting children if they are "good blokes".

Perhaps without even realizing it Comensoli makes a strong case for entire organization being rotten beyond repair.

Not sure what your point is ACA, priests regularly visit criminals in prison

 

[rodney86]

I like how the victims must be lying. Does it ever occur to them that Pell could be the one lying. Or is that just an impossibility?

 

[Del191229]

My old man went to the Christian Brothers school and said they were some of the best men he ever met (in terms of intelligence, dedication to cause etc). It is sad in some respects that an organisation which did provide value to a lot of young men will disappear, but if you can't or won't stop predators in your midst, you don't deserve to exist.

I was educated by Christian Brothers for two years before I escaped. At Cathedral College, which no longer exists.

One of the Brothers there was a fine man, intelligent, worldly, compassionate, I really liked him and I learned a great deal off him.

The rest were drunks, psychos, weirdos, the mentally lame and infirm. A few were subsequently done for kiddie fiddling.

I was never in danger of being fiddled, as I was an horrifically ugly child.

No, lol, I was bright, confident, my folks were very visibly involved in my life, so I would never have been a target for grooming and my old man had worded me up enough that I was never in a place where I was vulnerable to the opportunistic rapists like Pell.

But this bloke was abusing kids at that school when I was there (Year 7). He's one among many.

One victim claimed George Pell, the former Archbishop of Sydney, ignored his pleas to stop the abuse.

The victim said he was at a Ballarat swimming pool in 1973 when he told Dr Pell, who is now head of the Vatican's finances, something had to be done to stop Dowlan abusing young boys at St Patrick's College. Dr Pell allegedly replied: "Don't be ridiculous."

Dr Pell has consistently denied knowing children were being abused in Ballarat during the time he was there.

https://www.theage.com.au/national/...ix-schools-over-14-years-20150327-1m91e2.html

 

[Strange Cat]

I have said to you privately and I now say publicly, I am sorry that whatever it was that happened to you happened. I truly am.

This is now the second time at least that you have expressed a personal desire to see harm come to me in some way and I'm going to ask you to stop or ask someone to stop you.

This is an open thread and I have a genuinely held opinion on the subject. In case you hadn't noticed, I'm copping an overwhelming hammering for holding and expressing that opinion. That's fine. I don't think it's fine to wish personal harm on someone.

I said karma not personal harm

Your fragile victim complex is amusing considering the drivel you are putting forth in the name of defending a child rapist

If you want clarification go cry to a mod I have zero sympathy for the likes of you

 

[Len Nicodemo]

it doesn't fit the pedo profile - the grooming, the nurturing, the winning of confidence of the child, the grooming of their parents the subtle manipulation of the family
the pedos follow this rulebook because they figure to act intemperantly in public as Pell did is just too risky.
Safer and easier to nurture a relationship.
That's what makes them so insidious.

so little evidence of the other past allegations they got thrown out at committal.
However now that Pell has been convicted it is unlikely to have been a oncer - more allegations of your monster Pell's coercive rapes of minors should surface in near future.

Bullshit.

 

[Len Nicodemo]

I have said to you privately and I now say publicly, I am sorry that whatever it was that happened to you happened. I truly am.

This is now the second time at least that you have expressed a personal desire to see harm come to me in some way and I'm going to ask you to stop or ask someone to stop you.

This is an open thread and I have a genuinely held opinion on the subject. In case you hadn't noticed, I'm copping an overwhelming hammering for holding and expressing that opinion. That's fine. I don't think it's fine to wish personal harm on someone.

Oh god calm down, he hasn’t arrived on your doorstep wearing a Michael Myers mask and holding an axe....all he has said is ‘karma’.

You’re copping a hammering because every single statement you’ve made is based off what you purportedly ‘know’ or ‘believe’. That post you issued with 7 points in it was total speculation.

People (including freely admitted victims of sexual abuse) are a bit pissed off with your ability to have a divine intervention on a matter you’re so loosely versed with.

Seriously, you need to pull your head in, your ignorance and conspiracy theory bullshit is insulting. Take your views to the conspiracy theory board.

 

[CakeEater]

Pell straight to Jail, bail application has been withdrawn.

“I see this as callous, brazen offending,” Kidd told Richter. “Blatant. He did have in his mind some sense of impunity. How else did he think he would get away with this? There was an element of force here ... this is not anywhere near the lower end of offending.

https://www.theguardian.com/austral...ight-to-jail-as-bail-application-is-withdrawn

 

[ep2018]

Sounds like he's gonna get 10+ years.

 

[giggler99]

Another conservative scum!

 

[Gough]

I suspect it's only now occurring to Pell how much trouble he's in. I think they thought they'd argue low scale offending and off to the bail hearing, not have it so ruthlessly rejected by the judge.

 

[Tiges1229]

Most likely.
It's a corny question but how does he sleep at night? Is he that disassociated from it all that he can sleep sound?

Maybe he genuinely thought he was innocent when he took the case I’m not sure , or as I said in another post he could be only doing it for the $$.

 

[Tiges1229]

It would take a very crude and twisted person to Abandon common reasoning and whatever moral guideline they have to defend monster like Pell for money or other motives

I truly hope Karma greets the likes of Bruce and Bolt in whatever form the universe sees fit for defending these type of monsters.

Money as they say is the root of all evil , totally off course here but one just had to look at people like Pablo Escobar etc , killed thousands of innocent people but still had best lawyers money could buy representing him etc .

 

[Len Nicodemo]

Any form of jail time will I doubt see him be carried out horizontally. I wonder in what conditions he will be imprisoned? God help him if some of Victoria’s finest inmates get hold of him.

 

[Baltimore Jack]

George Pell's defence lawyer, Robert Richter QC says that - although the cardinal maintains he is innocent - the crimes he has been found guilty of were short, not pre-meditated and no more than any other "plain vanilla case" of sexual penetration against a child.

 

[Len Nicodemo]

George Pell's defence lawyer, Robert Richter QC says that - although the cardinal maintains he is innocent - the crimes he has been found guilty of were short, not pre-meditated and no more than any other "plain vanilla case" of sexual penetration against a child.

Doing what he can to get the lowest sentence possible. That’s all. Doesn’t mean RR thinks it’s ok.

 

[Tiges1229]

George Pell's defence lawyer, Robert Richter QC says that - although the cardinal maintains he is innocent - the crimes he has been found guilty of were short, not pre-meditated and no more than any other "plain vanilla case" of sexual penetration against a child.

My definition of plain vanilla sex is with an adult and quite reserved in bed .

 

[yeah_nah_yeah]

Maybe he genuinely thought he was innocent when he took the case I’m not sure , or as I said in another post he could be only doing it for the $$.

Yep, possible that he genuinely thought he was innocent. Richter does have a habit of defending the indefensible though, so innocence may not be needed for him!
It's an interesting question for defence lawyers though, what is their motivation for defending these people, and do they need to believe that their client is innocent?

 

[Del191229]

At some point this arvo and evening, no matter how tight the security around him - let's hope his being on the front page of the Hun doesn't enrage Matty Johnson and/or 'Pacific Islander standover gangs" - Pell is going to hear the other prisoners screaming about what they want to do to him. And he'll be terrified. Genuinely terrified.

That's all the punishment I want, for him to be as scared as those poor little boys were in that room.

The deprivation of liberty is for the protection of society, and I am not a moron who spouts crap like "Hopefully gets locked up with Bubba hur hur hur".

He'll be in 23 hour lockdown for the next however long.

But I want him to, and he will, know true fear very soon. Just for a little bit, soon it will normalise for him, he's a strong personality, he'll rapidly develop the mental mechanisms to cope.

But at some point in the next few hours, he's going to be genuinely terrified. Good.

 

[NSWCROW]

To the shock of ABSOLUTELY NOBODY, greg craven from the LOLstralian blames the ABC and FAIRFAX for pells conviction.

 

[Del191229]

Any form of jail time will I doubt see him be carried out horizontally. I wonder in what conditions he will be imprisoned? God help him if some of Victoria’s finest inmates get hold of him.

Will be on 23 hour lock down, one hour alone to exercise initially, if his appeal fails they'll send him out to Langi Kal Kal, where all the old nonces live, he'll have it relatively comfortable there.

 

[Strange Cat]

Yep, possible that he genuinely thought he was innocent. Richter does have a habit of defending the indefensible though, so innocence may not be needed for him!
It's an interesting question for defence lawyers though, what is their motivation for defending these people, and do they need to believe that their client is innocent?

To have a fair and balanced justice system everyone is entitled to a fair defence

I don’t see an issue with them doing their job...he’s very good at his job which is why he is worth so much.

 

[Tiges1229]

Yep, possible that he genuinely thought he was innocent. Richter does have a habit of defending the indefensible though, so innocence may not be needed for him!
It's an interesting question for defence lawyers though, what is their motivation for defending these people, and do they need to believe that their client is innocent?

I think it comes down to the individual lawyer , there job at the end of the day is to try get people off if they plead not guilty or if plead guilty minimise the sentence as much as possible .

 

[BruceFromBalnarring]

Any form of jail time will I doubt see him be carried out horizontally. I wonder in what conditions he will be imprisoned? God help him if some of Victoria’s finest inmates get hold of him.

He'll go to Ararat.

 

[Strange Cat]

Will be on 23 hour lock down, one hour alone to exercise initially, if his appeal fails they'll send him out to Langi Kal Kal, where all the old nonces live, he'll have it relatively comfortable there.

At least he will be deprived of his comfortable lifestystle and the fear of being in prison will haunt him for his days

I hope he reflects long and hard during his first night

 

[Richard Pryor]

I wonder what those who are adamant Pell is innocent think of his new legal strategy:

George Pell’s defence lawyer has tried to persuade a judge that the disgraced cardinal’s sex attack on two children was at the lower end of offending because it “lasted less than six minutes”.

At a pre-sentence hearing in Melbourne’s Victorian County Court this morning, Pell’s defence lawyer Robert Richter described the matter as “no more than plain, vanilla, sexual acts with a child who is not consenting”.

He said Australia’s most senior Catholic was “not a repeat wrongdoer” despite his child sex convictions.

“It lasted less than six minutes,” he said about the rape of one choirboy and molestation of another in Melbourne’s St Patrick’s Cathedral in 1996.
“There are no physical injuries. There is no ejaculation. There is no recording of the offences for later. No prior history. No breach of trust in the traditional sense. No pre planning. No use of any implement.”

https://www.news.com.au/national/vi...m/news-story/831cd5e77aca7e71b1817eefe4f535ec

I deadset thought it was a satirical article at first. Former PM John Howard giving a character reference for a man whose lawyers defence is that he only committed “no more than plain, vanilla, sexual acts with a child who is not consenting”. Staggering stuff. Sexual acts with an adult who is not consenting are pretty horrendous let alone with a child.