Religion Pell Guilty!

[BruceFromBalnarring]

As is customary you completely avoided the questions put.

Hmm!

Did Cardinal George Pell Say Abortion Was Worse Than Sexual Abuse of Children?

The head of the Vatican's Secretariat for the Economy has declined to backtrack on his controversial July 2002 statement.

www.snopes.com

Sorry. I don't know what the redacted parts of the RC report say. What comment do you want from me?

 

[BruceFromBalnarring]

With 50/50 hindsight this was probably a mistake by Richter. By making a case that it would have been 'impossible' for the events to have occurred as described by the complainant, in the minds of the jury it could have shifted the burden of proof from the prosecution to the defence. If the defence could show that some of the 'impossible' events were possible it could lead the jury to sway on the side of the prosecution.

I reckon Pell would wish he had had Weinberg defending him. In his dissent he emphasises the ‘compounding improbabilities’ of the unlikely events that the complainant alleged, and concludes

The chances of ‘all the planets aligning’, in that way, would, at the very least, be doubtful. This form of ‘probabilistic analysis’, if properly applied, suggests​

strongly to me that the jury, acting reasonably, on the whole of the evidence in this case, ought to have had a reasonable doubt as to the applicant’s guilt.​

I tried to make exactly that point, though not as eloquently, near the beginning of this thread. Pages of hilarity followed.

And yet, here is a Court of Appeal judge making exactly the same point.

 

[BruceFromBalnarring]

You and Comensoli actually swap lines last night?

No I was feeding my kids and putting them to bed....and arguing with you.

 

[BruceFromBalnarring]

Majestic stuff.

From a man who literally believes that some Jacobs Creek decanted into a fancy cup gets turned into the blood of a 2000 year old Jewish prophet.

In a church in suburban Melbourne.

Who said I "literally believe" that?

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Well it was certainly a bit odd that the complainant was seemingly allowed to change the date of the offending mid trial.

Seems he's changed the year, the date, and the time of day. But he's #compelling. And a #witnessoftruth.

12 year old boy can’t remember exact time he was molested, 30 years after the fact. Hang him!

 

[AM]

Sorry. I don't know what the redacted parts of the RC report say. What comment do you want from me?

Of course you don't. Do you need to be sure the convicted pedo didn't do/say anything that might compromise him before you clear it?

The main issue in redacting was that some of the details might infect the trial/s as I recall. Now we are past that and are likely to see the apologists seek leave to appeal to the HC that is no longer an issue as I see it. So let's see what the commissioners said about how he conducted himself, cos rumours abounded that he lacked candor. Let the cards fall where they may.

How do you feel about the convicted pedos 2002 comments?

 

[AM]

Plus one for Kevin Carson

Unquestionably, the opinions of those twelve jurors were influenced by the fact that they were there in court at the time of the hearing, listening to the evidence. Mr Bolt’s opinions were never tarnished in such a way. At arms-length from the evidence, Bolt is better equipped to come to an objective conclusion about what took place, and – more importantly – what didn’t.

EDITORIAL: George Pell Should Be Assumed Innocent Until Proven Guilty By Andrew Bolt

News you can believe in

www.theshovel.com.au

 

[Frank Bunn]

Would have thought Comensoli would have kept his mouth shut after the appeal judges found his claims, that the robes made it impossible for the incident to occur, were bulls**t

As has been commented on re: the 'impossibility' argument by the defence.

In the end there was not a significant difference between the appellate judges on this matter. Ferguson and Maxwell found that the robes could have been opened for the incident to occur. Weinberg found that the robes could have been opened but not in the way the complainant stated. But given the length of time it was understandable if his recall was faulty.

 

[Crankyhawk]

Righttttttttttt

Where was the gender mentioned? Interesting back-pedalling

Huh?
My response was to Bruce about his behaviour towards yourself
I was guessing that you were male (hence the presumably)
But on read back after your response I can understand how you interpreted it as me not believing you
Therefore my apology for inadvertent offence.

 

[Lebbo73]

As is customary you completely avoided the questions put.

Hmm!

Did Cardinal George Pell Say Abortion Was Worse Than Sexual Abuse of Children?

The head of the Vatican's Secretariat for the Economy has declined to backtrack on his controversial July 2002 statement.

www.snopes.com

Pell was right but it was still a terrible thing to say! Both are horrific offences.

 

[skipper kelly]

With 50/50 hindsight this was probably a mistake by Richter. By making a case that it would have been 'impossible' for the events to have occurred as described by the complainant, in the minds of the jury it could have shifted the burden of proof from the prosecution to the defence. If the defence could show that some of the 'impossible' events were possible it could lead the jury to sway on the side of the prosecution.

I think partly the defence was trying to give alibi evidence without actually giving alibi evidence.

I reckon Pell would wish he had had Weinberg defending him. In his dissent he emphasises the ‘compounding improbabilities’ of the unlikely events that the complainant alleged, and concludes

The chances of ‘all the planets aligning’, in that way, would, at the very least, be doubtful. This form of ‘probabilistic analysis’, if properly applied, suggests​

strongly to me that the jury, acting reasonably, on the whole of the evidence in this case, ought to have had a reasonable doubt as to the applicant’s guilt.​

​

It seemed strange bringing probability into his ruling but he did say in his footnote that not all events would be independent.

 

[Strange Cat]

Pell was right but it was still a terrible thing to say! Both are horrific offences.

Women have the right to do what they want to their bodies

Get ****ed no way is it comparable to sexual abuse

 

[Donakebab]

Wow this paedophile apologist is still banging on in here.

There is far more to Pell than just this case, he really was/is a disgusting monster and belongs behind bars.

 

[Lebbo73]

Anyone that has ever been in or seen a Cathedral Sacristy, especially after mass, would know that it is very unlikely that five minutes would pass without anyone going in there. As for the court case, I wasn’t there so I can’t give my opinion on whether he is guilty or not. However, two courts have said he was guilty and another upheld it with a split decision. There will be a High Court appeal so more is to come and plenty more so called experts to give their unqualified legal opinions. May the shenanigans continue I suppose.

 

[Lebbo73]

Women have the right to do what they want to their bodies

Get f’ed no way is it comparable to sexual abuse

Murder

 

[Strange Cat]

Murder

You’re a dickhead comparing a medical procedure to ****ing child rape

 

[Lebbo73]

You’re a dickhead comparing a medical procedure to ******* child rape

I’m not. They’re both horrific offences that should see great punishment. I’m of the opinion that Pell got off lightly considering he was found guilty.

 

[BruceFromBalnarring]

Of course you don't. Do you need to be sure the convicted pedo didn't do/say anything that might compromise him before you clear it?

The main issue in redacting was that some of the details might infect the trial/s as I recall. Now we are past that and are likely to see the apologists seek leave to appeal to the HC that is no longer an issue as I see it. So let's see what the commissioners said about how he conducted himself, cos rumours abounded that he lacked candor. Let the cards fall where they may.

How do you feel about the convicted pedos 2002 comments?

Are the 2002 comments the abortion ones?

I don't like abortion. I'm really uncomfortable with that as a solution to a problem. At the same time, I'm not sure that you can legislate to require any person to carry another for 9 odd months inside their own body. I wish you could. I hate it. But it's their body. Not mine.

I accept though that there is a genuinely held belief by some that there is no difference between abortion and infanticide. If you believe that, then it stands to reason that you believe abortion is worse than pedophilia. IF abortion and infanticide are to be viewed equally, and that's a hypothetical, then it stands, even in the court system, that it is worse. The sentences for murder of an infant are tougher than for pedophilia. So I don't have a philosophical problem with those comments.

 

[Cooldude]

As is customary you completely avoided the questions put.

Hmm!

Did Cardinal George Pell Say Abortion Was Worse Than Sexual Abuse of Children?

The head of the Vatican's Secretariat for the Economy has declined to backtrack on his controversial July 2002 statement.

www.snopes.com

A pedo pretending he has any moral authority

 

[BruceFromBalnarring]

12 year old boy can’t remember exact time he was molested, 30 years after the fact. Hang him!

Was he 12? Or 13? You'd reckon he might have been able to recall the year.

Don't you think it's a bit tough for Ferguson and Maxwell to be critical of Portelli's "specific memories" when the date of the offence repeatedly changed?

 

[AM]

Pell was right but it was still a terrible thing to say! Both are horrific offences.

No he's not 'right'. Abortion is a choice. No one I know who has had a termination has done it for other than compelling reasons and after a stressful and heart wrenching period.

Victims of kiddy fiddlers have no choice. It's an insight into the convicted pedos thought processes that that sort of thing would enter his thinking.

 

[Craven Morehead]

Wow...in comes the really heavy Catholic indoctrination.
This is quite something to see as an observer.

 

[AM]

Are the 2002 comments the abortion ones?

I don't like abortion. I'm really uncomfortable with that as a solution to a problem. At the same time, I'm not sure that you can legislate to require any person to carry another for 9 odd months inside their own body. I wish you could. I hate it. But it's their body. Not mine.

I accept though that there is a genuinely held belief by some that there is no difference between abortion and infanticide. If you believe that, then it stands to reason that you believe abortion is worse than pedophilia. IF abortion and infanticide are to be viewed equally, and that's a hypothetical, then it stands, even in the court system, that it is worse. The sentences for murder of an infant are tougher than for pedophilia. So I don't have a philosophical problem with those comments.

Don't come up with that shit Bruce. You know full well what that atrocious comparison means. It's an insight into the man that he would give any heads up to kiddy fiddling. Any!

 

[Craven Morehead]

Was he 12? Or 13? You'd reckon he might have been able to recall the year.

Don't you think it's a bit tough for Ferguson and Maxwell to be critical of Portelli's "specific memories" when the date of the offence repeatedly changed?

No, no. no...f*** you. That is beyond the pale.

We've buried this shit so deeply into our subconsciences for decades and decades.

And here is SC Bruce demanding that we have a photographic memory of events that ...

No...just just get f***ed with this shit Bruce. You have no idea.

Just stop!

 

[Strange Cat]

Was he 12? Or 13? You'd reckon he might have been able to recall the year.

Don't you think it's a bit tough for Ferguson and Maxwell to be critical of Portelli's "specific memories" when the date of the offence repeatedly changed?

I doubt you have any prior experience with child trauma to make a statement like that

Just because you don’t believe the verdict for whatever deluded reasons doesn’t mean you know more than the experts or judges in these matters

Just pull your head in