Current Trial Pell retains honorary role at the Tigers

Are you comfortable with Pell having an official role in the AFL?

  • Yes

    Votes: 3 6.5%
  • No

    Votes: 43 93.5%

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IMO Richmond should have parted ways with the evil man based on the evasive and empathy-free testimony he has already given - that clearly put church interest ahead of victims (for whom the church is supposed to be compassionate for)

However.... given they didn't - the fact he is charged is somewhat irrelevant - he is presumed innocent and therefore no issues for the Tigers having links to him.
 

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IMO Richmond should have parted ways with the evil man based on the evasive and empathy-free testimony he has already given - that clearly put church interest ahead of victims (for whom the church is supposed to be compassionate for)
Agree wholeheartedly with this. His testimony was an absolute disaster and it is almost impossible to believe that he didn't have greater awareness of what was happening during that time period given the roles he held and his connections to those found to be paedophiles.

Purely on that I would, if I was Richmond, distance myself from any connection with Pell.
 
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Can you post the link where he has been convicted?

If he is still a patron if hes found guilty, i will be scrraming blue bloody murder with you, but this hasnt happened

Also its an honorary position, so its not like we have a operational or management role to suspend him from for the duration of the trial.
I'm not trying to suggest RFC is tainted by this. I do wonder if there would be an appropriate time to remove him though, with or without a conviction.
Given the age of events and the way the legal system works it may be there will never be a conviction, which doesn't prove innocence.
If an inference was made in the final royal commission report for example, that should be sufficient?
Less about staining the club than removing support in the community generally for the perpetrators of appalling events.
 

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It's judgement. To quote Patrick Smith:

"If it's a bad look it's damaging"

http://at.theaustralian.com.au/link/c297530b9647c62a365bd79ae1133f4f
Its about allowing justice to do its thing

I was against watson handing over his brownlow and efc being banned before being found guilty - and i hate the dons. Im no fan of the catholic church, but we have a presumption of innocence for a reason

This whole Ms Lovejoy hang em immediately because it looks bad mentality is one of the things that shits me about society today. Perception should not outweigh reality
 

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I'm not trying to suggest RFC is tainted by this. I do wonder if there would be an appropriate time to remove him though, with or without a conviction.
Given the age of events and the way the legal system works it may be there will never be a conviction, which doesn't prove innocence.
If an inference was made in the final royal commission report for example, that should be sufficient?
Less about staining the club than removing support in the community generally for the perpetrators of appalling events.
Details of the charge havent even been made public, so we have nothing in terms of any details of the charges to even attempt to weigh them up with any degree of fairness.

The closest ive heard is it relates to one of the cases listed in the book written about the whole situation, but even the author was saying the other week she doesnt know which specific case the charges are linked to
 

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Details of the charge havent even been made public, so we have nothing in terms of any details of the charges to even attempt to weigh them up with any degree of fairness.

The closest ive heard is it relates to one of the cases listed in the book written about the whole situation, but even the author was saying the other week she doesnt know which specific case the charges are linked to
From what he has already put on the record in the RC, he's already contravened what I'm sure are Richmond's club values.... civic duty, fairness, honesty, defence of the vulnerable ect ect.
 

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Agree wholeheartedly with this. His testimony was an absolute disaster and it is almost impossible to believe that he didn't have greater awareness of what was happening during that time period given the roles he held and his connections to those found to be paedophiles.

Purely on that I would, if I was Richmond, distance myself from any connection with Pell.
Fwiw i dont think most rfc people even knew he was still a patron. I knew he was when ab of melbourne, but i assumed (incorrectly) that ended when he was made ab of sydney.

Cant remember anything on our board about it at all, and we usually argue obsessively about anything rfc related
 
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Details of the charge havent even been made public, so we have nothing in terms of any details of the charges to even attempt to weigh them up with any degree of fairness.

The closest ive heard is it relates to one of the cases listed in the book written about the whole situation, but even the author was saying the other week she doesnt know which specific case the charges are linked to
I did watch the broadcast of his testimony to the royal commission, and he didn't come off well to my subjective view. I was taking the broader view.
I do think it it's appalling to troll the club over this, and there has to be some inertia to avoid overreaction, I get.
 

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From what he has already put on the record in the RC, he's already contravened what I'm sure are Richmond's club values.... civic duty, fairness, honesty, defence of the vulnerable ect ect.
In all honesty, i didnt listen to any of the rc or followed it in the media, so i cant comment one way or another on that (ill leave that to others)
 

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A tough situation..........

Personally l think Richmond should never have gotten involved with a well known established paedophile organisation and its ring leader.

but given Richmond jumped into bed with Pell, they have no choice but to sit it out until the end of the trial.
 

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when did they fisrt enter into this relationship with Pell?

Edit: 90s as a patron

Good on them, sound decision to mantian involvement with a pilar of society

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A tough situation..........

Personally l think Richmond should never have gotten involved with a well known established paedophile organisation and its ring leader.

but given Richmond jumped into bed with Pell, they have no choice but to sit it out until the end of the trial.
Just on your first point, Richmond is a historically catholic club, given our base was initially irish immigrants living in the shithole that was richmond back in the day. So its not that we aligned with the church x number of years ago as some kind of marketing/promo choice
 

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Just on your first point, Richmond is a historically catholic club, given our base was initially irish immigrants living in the shithole that was richmond back in the day. So its not that we aligned with the church x number of years ago as some kind of marketing/promo choice
that's reasonable

thanks
 

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In the eyes of the LAW he's innocent until proven guilty. The rest of us don't need to live to that standard. I have no doubt that he must have known SOMETHING about SOME of the incidents. Bone him Tigers.
 

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I'm not trying to suggest RFC is tainted by this. I do wonder if there would be an appropriate time to remove him though, with or without a conviction.
Given the age of events and the way the legal system works it may be there will never be a conviction, which doesn't prove innocence.
If an inference was made in the final royal commission report for example, that should be sufficient?
Less about staining the club than removing support in the community generally for the perpetrators of appalling events.
The good thing abt the royal commish was that many things insiders and ex cathos like me knew about him were confirmed, key among them: a lack of curiosity about the many rumours around certain clergy esp in Ballarrat; prime concern to protect church hierarchy not catholics; probable knowledge unactioned; immunizing the vaticans assetts from claims; playing hardball with victims and softball with clergy; avoiding a return to Oz until necessity made it happen; etc etc.
RFC should be embarrassed as I am for not acting long ago, irrespective of legal guilt. Do we want our club associated with such people?
 
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The good thing abt the royal commish was that many things insiders and ex cathos like me knew about him were confirmed, key among them: a lack of curiosity about the many rumours around certain clergy esp in Ballarrat; prime concern to protect church hierarchy not catholics; probable knowledge unactioned; immunizing the vaticans assetts from claims; playing hardball with victims and softball with clergy; avoiding a return to Oz until necessity made it happen; etc etc.
RFC should be embarrassed as I am for not acting long ago, irrespective of legal guilt. Do we want our club associated with such people?
Ultimately that's for Richmond I think. I am an outsider but I get it's a lot broader than AFL.
 
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