Politics Perfidious Albion - The Crimes of The English Empire known as "the United Kingdom"

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Nope, same same. Both NI and Scotland are in favour of remaining in the UK

And in any event most of the NI protestants were originally from Scotland.
Scotland has always been it's own country, with it's own Celtic identity....One can hardly say the same for Northern Ireland mate.....Ireland, Yes.

And the Scottish Protestants are mostly Presbyterians.....Nothing to do with the Orange-men lad.....Their Poms, originally from Holland....Who came over on the ship with William of Orange in 1689. With the final Protestant take-over of the English throne & Parliament.....The Glorious Revolution & all that.....That came hand-in-hand with a certain Dutch family's usurpation of the Bank of England.

Both Ireland & Scotland share a storied history of men & workers jumping from one side to the other.....But this hardly gives any credence - political or otherwise - to the claims of Northern Irish independence.

Northern Ireland has always been a manufactured colonial imposition.....With all the equivalent existential claims of being a legit State to that of Israel.....Which is to say, absolutely zero.
 
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The "concentration camp" phenomenon was (arguably) a British invention.

http://www.sahistory.org.za/topic/w...tration-camps-during-anglo-boer-war-1900-1902
Undoubtedly Hitler was a terrible person and ordered many evil acts but after the British concentration camps in SA not that long before, the whole noble British empire image is rather misleading.

The Japanese in WW2 were also brutal and we remember their terrible deeds too. The British seem to have created an amazing propaganda and PR machine though over the years as they don’t get talked about nearly so much.

The Americans in Vietnam and the Agent Orange and other chemical warfare that changed the lives of many civilians and the health of many, many generations to follow. These are better understood but still not given a heap of light. It wasn’t until I visited Vietnam that I realised the effect that this was still having.

The British have contributed some brilliant things to society but their horrors of the past need to be spoken about too.
 
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Undoubtedly Hitler was a terrible person and ordered many evil acts but after the British concentration camps in SA not that long before, the whole noble British empire image is rather misleading.

The Japanese in WW2 were also brutal and we remember their terrible deeds too. The British seem to have created an amazing propaganda and PR machine though over the years as they don’t get talked about nearly so much.

The Americans in Vietnam and the Agent Orange and other chemical warfare that changed the lives of many civilians and the health of many, many generations to follow. These are better understood but still not given a heap of light. It wasn’t until I visited Vietnam that I realised the effect that this was still having.

The British have contributed some brilliant things to society but their horrors of the past need to be spoken about too.
Look at what happens when someone suggests that Australia's origins weren't all sweetness and light, we see the usual suspects arc up. History needs to be separated from the culture wars in this country, at the moment it feels like we're telling a story that we want to, not one that's accurate.
 

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History needs to be separated from the culture wars in this country
As long as people engage in presentism in relation to history there will be those who seek to rewrite the facts to fit a moral narrative

Talking openly and honestly about history necessitates abandoning value judgements, which are rife with cultural bias
 

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Look at what happens when someone suggests that Australia's origins weren't all sweetness and light, we see the usual suspects arc up. History needs to be separated from the culture wars in this country, at the moment it feels like we're telling a story that we want to, not one that's accurate.
Control the past. Control the narrative. Control the future.
 

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Look at what happens when someone suggests that Australia's origins weren't all sweetness and light, we see the usual suspects arc up. History needs to be separated from the culture wars in this country, at the moment it feels like we're telling a story that we want to, not one that's accurate.
Well we can all remember the utter dribble that was Bringing Them Home. Where the rules of evidence werent bothered with.

Funny (no its not) that the usual suspects whinge about that fiction yet gloss over genocide in the ME of Christians and mass murder in SA and Zim.
 

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Undoubtedly Hitler was a terrible person and ordered many evil acts but after the British concentration camps in SA not that long before, the whole noble British empire image is rather misleading.
The Brits spend an absolute fortune in enforcing a ban on slavery for example. Always overlooked by woke wombles.


The Royal Navy has a proud history associated with the abolition of the slave trade and the pursuance of humanitarian rights, playing a significant role in the years following the 1807 Act to abolish the Slave Trade, through active policing and enforcement. This campaign which began in West Africa, lasted well into the 20th century and, by then was worldwide. Between 1807 and 1866, the Royal Navy captured well over 500 slave ships and prevented many more from loading their slave cargo.

The abolition was also very demanding for the sailors enforcing the act; the Royal Navy committed up to 13% of its total manpower to its West Africa squadron, which in one year lost 25% of those serving on the station, mainly to disease. Overall, the nineteenth-century costs of suppression were bigger than the eighteenth-century profits.
 

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The English thought they'd get better results by gifting the formerly-enslaved the illusion of free will. Indentured servitude is just slavery with a few extra steps.


 

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The Brits spend an absolute fortune in enforcing a ban on slavery for example. Always overlooked by woke wombles.


The Royal Navy has a proud history associated with the abolition of the slave trade and the pursuance of humanitarian rights, playing a significant role in the years following the 1807 Act to abolish the Slave Trade, through active policing and enforcement. This campaign which began in West Africa, lasted well into the 20th century and, by then was worldwide. Between 1807 and 1866, the Royal Navy captured well over 500 slave ships and prevented many more from loading their slave cargo.

The abolition was also very demanding for the sailors enforcing the act; the Royal Navy committed up to 13% of its total manpower to its West Africa squadron, which in one year lost 25% of those serving on the station, mainly to disease. Overall, the nineteenth-century costs of suppression were bigger than the eighteenth-century profits.
LOL, you don't get a medal for not acting like inhumane scum, after centuries of doing exactly that.
 

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The English thought they'd get better results by gifting the formerly-enslaved the illusion of free will. Indentured servitude is just slavery with a few extra steps.
There are more slaves now than at any time in history. But hey lets give that a miss and bang on about Britain whose record in this record is better than most other Euro countries.

Before the Brits turned up in India they used to throw wives alive on to their husbands funeral pyres. The Brits stopped it and other such barbaric practices.
 

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There are more slaves now than at any time in history. But hey lets give that a miss and bang on about Britain whose record in this record is better than most other Euro countries.

Before the Brits turned up in India they used to throw wives alive on to their husbands funeral pyres. The Brits stopped it and other such barbaric practices.
Yeah, you have a point. It's disgusting how slavery is still a thing in what we would like to call 'modern' times. Still, we like us some cheap imported consumer goods don't we? Can't get cheap with a unionised workforce getting paid a living wage can we?
 

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