Performance enhancing drugs

[UpForGrabs]

The thing is, Jakovich was playing at 6'4/100kgs. That's not exactly absurd when you consider Wayne Carey was 6'3/97kgs and Paul Couch's own teammates, Gary Ablett Senior was 6'1/97kgs and Billy Brownless was 6'3/102kgs. Sure you can argue muscle composition, density skin-folds etc but it's not unreasonable to believe that West Coast was simply better conditioned than their opponents.

People see what they want to see.

I wanted to like this post twice. Once for the post itself, and another for the Gronk avatar #InGronkwetrust

 

[Nuke Fremantle]

It's not the first time Sheahan has made those snide insinuations. Put up or shut up.

 

[Hairy Lager]

We aso had a state of the then art training facility that was streeets ahead of the rest of the comp then

Where? I don't remember this until after our premierships and the Subi rebuild in the late 90's.

 

[MIKE85]

Where? I don't remember this until after our premierships and the Subi rebuild in the late 90's.

Subi rebuild was 94/95 but still after our early 90's flag. Maybe it was more a professional training regime rather than top notch facilities

 

[Hairy Lager]

Subi rebuild was 94/95 but still after our early 90's flag. Maybe it was more a professional training regime rather than top notch facilities

I remember us training in winter, on cesspool like Perth grounds like Guilford Grammar so we could emulate Vic Park and the rest of the bog grounds in Victoria.

 

[tesseract]

I remember us training on winter, cesspool like Perth grounds like Guilford Grammar so we could emulate Vic Park and the rest off the bog grounds in Victoria.

I remember Moorabbin being more fit for scantily clad women's wrestling than for football, such was the mud pit they played football in.

 

[Hairy Lager]

I remember Moorabbin being more fit for scantily clad women's wrestling than for football, such was the mud pit they played football in.

Yeah, lol. Ruckman didn't need to jump high because they couldn't, they just needed to out body their opponent. Some of the grounds with cricket pitches in the middle were extremely bad. SCG was a disgrace too if I recall correctly.

 

[Marlin01]

Mike Sheahan... pfft. I have a very reliable gambling methodology that is based on betting against his predictions. The trouble is, you can only do short-term bets becaused he'll change his opinion on a weekly basis.

The funniest thing about Mike is how seriously he takes himself... "I put Buddy Franklin up there with Leigh Matthews, Gerard... and I don't do that lightly".

 

[The Passenger]

People see what they want to see.

Ultimately this.

It's been suggested many times over the years, and sometimes old games come on foxtel and you look at our guys and think **** they were huge, but then you put in context - more or less the first professional club, the club that really pushed strength and conditioning (and this has been a huge factor of Malthouse coaching carer, think of his relationship with David Buttifant), compare the players to today and they aren't as athletic.... And as has been mentioned if we were geared up it would have come out by now - too many people to keep quiet.

 

[Cuzdup]

Oh yeah the roid myth of the early 90's. About as legit as the myth that Mike Sheahan is a heterosexual.

 

[Cuzdup]

Oh yeah the roid myth of the early 90's. About as legit as the myth that Mike Sheahan is a heterosexual.

 

[Dark Sharks]

Oh yeah the roid myth of the early 90's. About as legit as the myth that Mike Sheahan is a heterosexual

 

[Mighty Eagles]

F#(k the Vics

 

[Public Enemy No1]

There is still a very bitter Victorian undertone of our success in the 90's.

Ironic we still cop more accusations based on no evidence 20 years after the fact than the current Essendon situation. I for one who has followed the Eagles from day 1 am not surprised.

 

[East coast eagle]

Have a mate who works with St Kilda, He is reasonably close with Michael Gardiner.
He reckons that Gardiner mentioned it a few times, about how juiced up the team was in the nintys..
My question was how did he know this, and apparently it is just common knowledge within the club (WC).
Apparently Ross Lyon mentioned it a few times too like it was common knowledge.
I know this is not groundbreaking, but interesting some just except it as truth these days..

I love how many players from other clubs have admitted this over the years, especially through the 70's and 80's..
Why doesnt Mike constantly drag this up as well?
Guess that doesnt fit the anti WC agenda..
Love how Gerard pulled the 'bias' card on 'on the couch' the other night..
You could hear the annoyance from Mike straight away. Whereas Dunstall just excepted it, almost acknowledged it.

 

[garlic munchers]

I think its clearly naïve to think that we were completely free of steroids during this era and the same applies to every other team and every other sport.

Athletics, Swimming, baseball, gridiron and cycling were riddled with drug enhancement, but aussie rules athletes are squeaky clean (apart from a tiger player). Please!

Even a certain coach under ASADA investigation, took a cloak and dagger trip to the US for treatment on a potentially career ending foot injury (during which no scrutiny of the treatments received took place), so circumstances can be used to drag any team/player down.

Perhaps it's just better and more realistic to do the old wink, wink, nudge, nudge about the time before stringent testing and move on.

I am sure those east German and Chinese women swimmers have moved on apart from their adams apples and testicles.

 

[Tas]

I don't believe drugs like steroids were used to bulk up, largely because clubs didn't take weight training seriously back then and just sticking yourself with some juice isn't going to make the muscle explode out, you still have to do the hard work pumping iron to develop the muscle, the drugs allow you to just push harder and have less downt time. I think the Eagles were probably one of the first to take weight training seriously as a club and compared to everyone else who didn't it would look and feel like they were on drugs if they were significantly stronger across the board.

Well before the Eagles time, Mick Conlan from Fitzroy did the weight training seriously and he looked like Conan the Barbarian on the field compared to all the other players going around. Any player still has the ability to significantly bulk up without drugs, most choose not to due to the negatives for football in terms of the impact to speed, agility and endurance carrying that much weight around.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Jako is the only one from that era that i remember as being huge and ripped, and he was no bigger than people like Stewie Lowe. A lot of that came after he had a big chunk of time off with injury as well when all he obviously did was smash the weights. Others were big, but not seroid ripped big (think Suma, Monkey, Ash Mac etc.,). This mids were the same, not overly ripped, except for Mainy.

As mentioned i think it's probably a case of the Eagles being a new club and taking a fresh approach to the whole fitness regime, compared to the old stagnant clubs in Victoria who took a while to get their arses into the professional era.

 

[Eagle87]

I don't believe drugs like steroids were used to bulk up, largely because clubs didn't take weight training seriously back then and just sticking yourself with some juice isn't going to make the muscle explode out, you still have to do the hard work pumping iron to develop the muscle, the drugs allow you to just push harder and have less downt time. I think the Eagles were probably one of the first to take weight training seriously as a club and compared to everyone else who didn't it would look and feel like they were on drugs if they were significantly stronger across the board.

Well before the Eagles time, Mick Conlan from Fitzroy did the weight training seriously and he looked like Conan the Barbarian on the field compared to all the other players going around. Any player still has the ability to significantly bulk up without drugs, most choose not to due to the negatives for football in terms of the impact to speed, agility and endurance carrying that much weight around.

Conlan, Dougie Barwick, even Richard Osborne ... and from memory all from the same club originally .. Ross Lyons club


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[MIKE85]

I heard a plug on the radio this arvo for channel 9 news tonight and one of the headlines was "more revelations about th eagles drug days" anyone see it??

 

[Chris_6678]

I heard a plug on the radio this arvo for channel 9 news tonight and one of the headlines was "more revelations about th eagles drug days" anyone see it??

Yep. Cox just spoke about in 2007 on how Woosha called each player into his office to fess up if they did drugs and if they were going to buy into the new culture. He doesnt know how many said yes but thinks it was in the double figures. Also mentions how the culture has changed so much he thinks clubs will be asking the WCE for help if anything happened to their club regarding drugs.

 

[ioppolo]

Yep. Cox just spoke about in 2007 on how Woosha called each player into his office to fess up if they did drugs and if they were going to buy into the new culture. He doesnt know how many said yes but thinks it was in the double figures. Also mentions how the culture has changed so much he thinks clubs will be asking the WCE for help if anything happened to their club regarding drugs.

Should try and make a list who we think bought into the culture.

Hunter
Fletcher
Benny
Chick
Sampi?
Gardiner
Maybe Stenglein?

 

[kempy]

Should try and make a list who we think bought into the culture.

Hunter
Fletcher
Benny
Chick
Sampi?
Gardiner
Maybe Stenglein?

I think you might be in dangerous, litigious territory here ...

 

[BartBart]

I remember around 1991 that the players looked big. But it could have easily been legitimate weights work. I do remember Heady looking solid. But to put it into perspective, I was a very skinny uni student, so most would have looked big compared to me!

 

[Mighty Eagles]

They are such a bunch of sore losers