Analysis Perspective

[Goggin Our Best]

[QUOTE="Scottland2007, post: 35076202, member: 112659"]Disagree on Enright. We won't win the flag in the next 4 years, so get him to 300. A). It gives the supporters something to look forward to in what could be a bleak year. B). The club can make badges and Memorabelia and make some money.[/QUOTE]

Enright is an absolute champion - and if Geelong were a flag chance - i think he could play another 2 years no problem- but that isnt the current scenario

The clubs allways bigger than the individual - it would be more beneficial - if Enright finishes up - and Thurlow gets 20 games next year - the Cats might plummet for a year or two - but could have a better future for it

 

[Scottland2007]

We picked up 3 flags in 5 years. We were a kick away from a grand final last year. We finished 3rd at the end of the home and away season this year. We might be due for a less succesful season, BUT if you're not a Geelong fan you will hate this team. A lot of fans will be thinking "at last, the end, now it's my teams turn". A lot of media will write articles bagging Geelong, its something that the likes of Dermi have been waiting to do for years. Reality is, we are finally coming back down after missing 1 finals series in 10 years. I would like to thank the players over that ten year period. Now it's time to cast one eye over the trade period while enjoying bbqs and beer. Time to remember what occupied me outside of footy during summer. (Soundwave looks pretty good).

 

[Scottland2007]

[QUOTE="Scottland2007, post: 35076202, member: 112659"]Disagree on Enright. We won't win the flag in the next 4 years, so get him to 300. A). It gives the supporters something to look forward to in what could be a bleak year. B). The club can make badges and Memorabelia and make some money.

Enright is an absolute champion - and if Geelong were a flag chance - i think he could play another 2 years no problem- but that isnt the current scenario

The clubs allways bigger than the individual - it would be more beneficial - if Enright finishes up - and Thurlow gets 20 games next year - the Cats might plummet for a year or two - but could have a better future for it[/QUOTE]. Nice to have a rational discussion, alot of unhappy people today. I think getting 18 games into Enright isn't going to cost us a flag. I also think the short term financial windfall is beneficial to the club. It's now the little things that will keep us happy as supporters because our next flag could be years away. (not 44)

 

[Partridge]

Geelong need about 2 or 3 really quick midfielders- the team looks old tired and slow - they can keep the status quo ( and not fall off a cliff - like Saints and dogs) - and finish 7th to 8th for the next couple of years - but in affect go no- where

Or they can get ruthless ( and suffer some real pain for 2-3 years ) Kellys finished - and could be told that - ditto -Johnsons injury prone - even Enright who is still playing quite well - whats the use of playing another year - when Geelong are no chance to win the flag next year

Agree completely. But Geelong don't operate that way. They're very rarely ruthless, Milburn and Mooney missing out in 2011 is the only example I can think of, and that seems a long time ago now given Scott's post-2011 coaching philosophy (play every veteran possible no matter what).

Hawthorn, Fremantle and Sydney will be ruthless. And they'll win more premierships. Geelong won't be, and they'll be finishing 6th and telling themselves how they play the right way.

 

[Supercats]

We don't know who has shown enough because they don't get games or if they do, they don't get enough.

As for who will the kids learn off? How about their Captain, if a youngster can't learn anything from Joel then they're not trying hard enough. It's not like retiring older players is going to leave us with a team of 21 year olds like Melbourne of a few years ago.

Might not be 21, but you would be looking around the 23/24 year age group. As for not knowing because they don't get game time, they do in the reserves to show there form. If there not up to it they don't get picked. Simple. Have you followed the VFL, if you have tell me who takes there spot?

 

[Supercats]

No supporter can complain - considering the success Geelong has achieved

However its interesting what approach the club takes - i cant see a Premiership in the next 3 years - no way- this apparent re- build in some supporters eyes -is just fools gold to me

Geelong need about 2 or 3 really quick midfielders- the team looks old tired and slow - they can keep the status quo ( and not fall off a cliff - like Saints and dogs) - and finish 7th to 8th for the next couple of years - but in affect go no- where

Or they can get ruthless ( and suffer some real pain for 2-3 years ) Kellys finished - and could be told that - ditto -Johnsons injury prone - even Enright who is still playing quite well - whats the use of playing another year - when Geelong are no chance to win the flag next year

Premierships are the name of the game - thus id rather a ruthless approach- and get a bit of youth into the team

You look at Pt Adelaide - their young - and look how they run - compare that to Geelong - the Cats are like Dads Army - footy nous against the ordinary teams - got Geelong wins this year - however its not going to win Premierships- thus time for some really tough decisions to be made

You do know there were 10 under 23 years last night.

 

[Supercats]

Mate, 0 flags since 2011!!!!! A great 1-5 finals record since.

You must be hard to please. 3 in the last 14 years I will take. Only Brisbane can match that, but that might change in a couple of weeks.

Did you really see us goin all the way this year, I didn't and think we actually over achieved. If the kids come on we will be a shot again in a couple of years.

 

[Whit3y]

No supporter can complain - considering the success Geelong has achieved

However its interesting what approach the club takes - i cant see a Premiership in the next 3 years - no way- this apparent re- build in some supporters eyes -is just fools gold to me

but wasnt our premiership flag window 2015 onwards?

that was the talk after 2012 and 2013

 

[Nankervis brothers]

Agree completely. But Geelong don't operate that way. They're very rarely ruthless, Milburn and Mooney missing out in 2011 is the only example I can think of, and that seems a long time ago now given Scott's post-2011 coaching philosophy (play every veteran possible no matter what).

Hawthorn, Fremantle and Sydney will be ruthless. And they'll win more premierships. Geelong won't be, and they'll be finishing 6th and telling themselves how they play the right way.

Not sure if true. You provide Mooney and Milburn as rare examples of being 'ruthless', but then neglect to mention the club moving on Podsiadly and Chapman to make way for younger talent. Chapman was a loved champion of the club. Scott and Co. have also successfully convinced champion players to retire during his tenure. Seems to me this contradicts the claim the club hasn't been 'ruthless'.

After the 05/06 GF's, Sydney dipped to 6th-8th for four years. They were talking about being in a 'transition' period, not a full rebuild. Most LOL'd, assuming it was a mere holding pattern, much like the Dons in the early 00's, who neglected to completely rebuild and paid the price. But Sydney achieved what we are a now trying (and doing a great job of) - remaining a finals contender while turning the list over. Free agency will help us do this, I imagine.

As for FRE, Ross Lyon will leave them with a burnt out group of players, as he did STK. IMO that is what his approach does to players. From there I guess they can be as ruthless as they like from the bottom half of the ladder. If they win 1 flag with Lyon they will be very lucky. Actually, fail to win it this year and I'd say their window is shut.

Scott came in and said he wanted to turn over the list and transition into a new era, all while remaining a finals contender. Fact is, it's a tick on all that. In his time we have finished 1st, 6th, 3rd, and 5th, and made the top 4 on four occasions. As coach he has a winning percentage a touch above the 75% mark from four seasons. We also have a very different and younger 22 to the one we started with when he took over. The side Geelong fielded last night was less experienced and younger than Nth, a team considered on the rise and just entering its 'window'. It played without a ruck man and two key mids, and got done by a goal.

On the whole you would have to say Scott's time has been a success given his stated aims in late 2010/early 2011.

Where he can actually be considered a failure - and the clubs current list management a failure or not ruthless enough - is if we aren't a flag contender by 2016. That would actually contradict his stated goal upon entering the club. That is highly speculative, obviously, and I think it's hard to say at this point. Whatever the case it will take a year or two to make an educated call.

FWIW I love the fact the club aim to play the game the right way....

 

[The rabbi]

but wasnt our premiership flag window 2015 onwards?

that was the talk after 2012 and 2013

Actually, when Scotty first got the job he talked about a Premiership tilt in 2015.

2011 must have been a hickup on the way to 2015.

 

[Herne Hill Hammer]

Might not be 21, but you would be looking around the 23/24 year age group. As for not knowing because they don't get game time, they do in the reserves to show there form. If there not up to it they don't get picked. Simple. Have you followed the VFL, if you have tell me who takes there spot?

I'm talking about players getting in like Hartman and Bews for starters who aren't given any continuity. It reminds me of the treatment of Menzel and Duncan in 2010.

I don't follow the VFL, I live in outback WA so get no opportunity to watch them.

 

[Catatonic Shock]

Actually, when Scotty first got the job he talked about a Premiership tilt in 2015.

2011 must have been a hickup on the way to 2015.

Not quite, and I know you did it deliberately.
He said 2011 they could ABSOLUTELY challenge ("All Geelong people, should expect success") but also stated that his job was to build a team that would again be competitive from 2015.
You know, like the Cats were from 2004 onwards.
So far he is well and truly on track.

 

[PremierCatAttack]

All the perspective I need is I love and support the club. There are things I wish went differently but they didnt. I have had great days with friends and family at the footy and that is what I truly value. I bleed blue and white and I love the cats. /end communication

 

[David the Cat]

All the perspective I need is I love and support the club. There are things I wish went differently but they didnt. I have had great days with friends and family at the footy and that is what I truly value. I bleed blue and white and I love the cats. /end communication

POTY!

Post more often. We need people like you around here.

 

[PremierCatAttack]

POTY!

Post more often. We need people like you around here.

Thanks Mate, very nice of you to say.

 

[The rabbi]

Not quite, and I know you did it deliberately.
He said 2011 they could ABSOLUTELY challenge ("All Geelong people, should expect success") but also stated that his job was to build a team that would again be competitive from 2015.
You know, like the Cats were from 2004 onwards.
So far he is well and truly on track.

I have no problems with what you have said except the bolded text. But spare me this bullshit in the bolded above. Do not presume to know what I have done "deliberately".

If I have made a mistake I have no trouble owning up to it. But avoid unfounded accusations like the above in future.

 

[Catsmaninamerica]

What? Why

turn it on channel 7. do it now. it will all make sense.

 

[PremierCatAttack]

and they are old and about to spiral out of contention for the next decade

they are melting so hard. in one of the threads they were attempting to console themselves with their crop of developing youngsters, named three all together. Ross The Boss strikes again. Maybe he is so hacked off with fitzroy folding he is getting his revenge on the afl one club at a time

 

[Badtemperedbadger]

Agree completely. But Geelong don't operate that way. They're very rarely ruthless, Milburn and Mooney missing out in 2011 is the only example I can think of, and that seems a long time ago now given Scott's post-2011 coaching philosophy (play every veteran possible no matter what).

Hawthorn, Fremantle and Sydney will be ruthless. And they'll win more premierships. Geelong won't be, and they'll be finishing 6th and telling themselves how they play the right way.

Now you can read the coaches thoughts, you truly are an amazing person.

 

[Episode]

Now you can read the coaches thoughts, you truly are an amazing person.

Quite simply no supporter can have too much to complain about in this golden era. 3 flags after waiting 44 years and after the pain of the 4 grand final defeats in 6 years many supporters thought they would die before seeing another premiership,myself included. Spare a thought for the Saints,Richmond,Melbourne and Western Bulldogs supporters who after decades are still waiting and craving for that holy grail. Yes the era is over and the last 2 finals series has suggested that but we have a young list with a great leadership group and good honest coaches who can help develop the next crop of younger players.Most importantly the club has built a great culture of values which will hold in good sted in the years to come.

 

[Scottland2007]

People mostly remember who was the last team to go out in straight sets, wasn't us.

 

[catswhiskers]

Having two sides from top four go out in two is a pointer to how even the comp is becoming.

I can see this happening more in the next few years than has happened in the recent past.

Freo's exit highlights what happens when injury hits at the pointy end. I raise again what I have said in the past :
Christensen is our mid field talisman and after Sellwod our most important mid. More than that though, his ability to win his own ball and receive on the outside lights up the rest of the kids / forwards.

Simpson playing injured and then going down was a killer. Watching Lobbe being taken apart by Sandilands reminded me of how good Simpson was while fit last year and for a couple of games this year.

Just those two would have made the game on Friday a contest all night.

 

[Partridge]

Now you can read the coaches thoughts, you truly are an amazing person.

Took you a while to figure out, but correct.

 

[Whit3y]

Now you can read the coaches thoughts, you truly are an amazing person.

tim may not be able to read chris scotts thoughts but his thoughts are projected out there on the field, on team selection night, moves made on gameday etc, these are a direct result of the mind of chris scott

unless his lost his mind? if thats the case then chris scotty has lost the plotty?

 

[dazbroncos]

Agree completely. But Geelong don't operate that way. They're very rarely ruthless, Milburn and Mooney missing out in 2011 is the only example I can think of, and that seems a long time ago now given Scott's post-2011 coaching philosophy (play every veteran possible no matter what).

Hawthorn, Fremantle and Sydney will be ruthless. And they'll win more premierships. Geelong won't be, and they'll be finishing 6th and telling themselves how they play the right way.

Not this year. And with Sandi, Pav, Mundy, Clarke, all getting older I can see Freo having age issues. Hawks will too unless some magic wand has been waved ver them and their 8 players over 30 magically got younger and fitter. Cyril is a risk every game too.

I just don't subscribe to the theory that only Geelong has older veteran players. It seems most other best 22's still in it has a good smattering of older players. Maybe Port is the exception.

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