Dewnior
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Congrats Worps and f&$k off Geelol.
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Dewnior
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Impey played less games
Congratulations Worpel ! However if he doesn’t win the Brownlow next year followed by the norm smith he has definitely stagnated.
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Gunner the only perfect 12
Tassie Cryptik
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Very incorrect.
Voting changed, max now 12, not 16.
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Good to see Nash poll well.
1 vote beat opponent.
He has his value.
1 vote beat opponent.
He has his value.
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A Cut Above
🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆 in my lifetime 😁
James "Future Captain" Worpel.
Strapping Young Lad
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Geez, Chad polled well for someone who took a while to get going and only played 14 games.
- Oct 14, 2011
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Annoyed I missed the stream of it, have a fair bit going on atm.
Loved Clarksons speech, you get a feel something has clicked with new motivations driving us forward.
Loved Clarksons speech, you get a feel something has clicked with new motivations driving us forward.
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Congrats to Worps! Was hoping Hendo would win but, oh well, second is good.
Just glancing at the results and all the oldies seemed way down the list this year. Beginning of a new era.
Just glancing at the results and all the oldies seemed way down the list this year. Beginning of a new era.
Holy Rioli
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his last month was spectacular. Has to be a full time mid who only rests forward. Guys who can break away from clearances like him, that also have his vision and skill level (not to mention he's a tackling machine when he doesn't win it) are the guys that break games open. For all the credits that guys like Cripps and Fyfe get, I'd prefer the Bonts or J Kelly's because of how they use the ball when they win it. Chad can be our Bont or J Kelly if played as a full time mid.
And for those who think I'm overselling Chad, look at our scoring profile in that last month compared to the rest of the season when he was the guy delivering the ball inside 50 for us.
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User name to post ratio checks out
| PCM Votes | Yabby medal votes | ||||
| James Worpel | 115 | James Worpel | 48 | ||
| Ricky Henderson | 104 | Ricky Henderson | 44 | ||
| Jaegar O’Meara | 103 | Jarman Impey | 34 | ||
| James Sicily | 100 | Ben McEvoy | 28 | ||
| Blake Hardwick | 90 | Jaeger O'Meara | 27 | ||
| Jarman Impey | 85 | James Sicily | 23 | ||
| Liam Shiels | 78 | Liam Shiels | 19 | ||
| Ben McEvoy | 75 | Chad Wingard | 15 | ||
| Luke Breust | 73 | Jack Gunston | 14 | ||
| Ben Stratton | 63 | Jonathan Ceglar | 11 | ||
| Jack Gunston | 62 | Shaun Burgoyne | 11 | ||
| Isaac Smith | 62 | Luke Breust | 9 | ||
| James Frawley | 62 | Tom Scully | 8 | ||
| Chad Wingard | 57 | Mitchell Lewis | 8 | ||
| Tom Scully | 56 | Blake Hardwick | 7 | ||
| Tim O’Brien | 49 | Tim O'Brien | 5 | ||
| Shaun Burgoyne | 48 | Jarryd Roughead | 4 | ||
| Paul Puopolo | 47 | Daniel Howe | 4 | ||
| Mitchell Lewis | 36 | James Frawley | 4 | ||
| Daniel Howe | 35 | Jack Scrimshaw | 3 | ||
| Jonathon Ceglar | 34 | James Cousins | 2 | ||
| James Cousins | 25 | Isaac Smith | 1 | ||
| Jarryd Roughead | 21 | Kaiden Brand | 1 | ||
| Oliver Hanrahan | 20 | ||||
| Conor Nash | 19 | ||||
| Jack Scrimshaw | 11 | ||||
| Grant Birchall | 10 | ||||
| Harry Morrison | 8 | ||||
| Conor Glass | 6 | ||||
| David Mirra | 6 | ||||
| Changkouth Jiath | 5 | ||||
| Marc Pittonet | 4 | ||||
| Kaiden Brand | 4 | ||||
| Dylan Moore | 3 |
Interesting. In one system only the top five get votes. in the other anyone who plays well gets votes.
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Need Chad to be in the top 3 next season, to be honest he's probably the most talented player on our list.
Has anyone compared the 2018 bnf placings with 2019?
I think our reliance on older blokes has dropped significantly.
Worpel, Sicily, O'Meara, Hardwick and Impey being 5 of the top 10 bodes well for the new wave of hawks.
Hendo a happy outlier there.
I think our reliance on older blokes has dropped significantly.
Worpel, Sicily, O'Meara, Hardwick and Impey being 5 of the top 10 bodes well for the new wave of hawks.
Hendo a happy outlier there.
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Be curious on who got the highest average per game played. Would it be Birch? Think TOB and Chads scores would look pretty good.
Anyone got an easy way to work it out?
Anyone got an easy way to work it out?
hawkermitch
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Graham Arthur was 19 years old when he won the hawks best and fairest.
I only know as I work with one of his relatives.
It's great that many younger guys polled well as some so called experts say hawks have not much youth and they only focus on the older blokes.
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Chaisa provided a chart on the main board regarding average age of top 10 finishes at all clubs. Maybe he can paste it in here.
Our average age sits mid table and you’d think it would only drop more with Lewis, Scrimshaw, Wingard and Mitchell pushing in there with good seasons in 2020.
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Calculate their score and divide it by games played.
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5 of the top 6 are 25 and under......
No youth apparently......reckon that compares very well to the rest of the comp
No youth apparently......reckon that compares very well to the rest of the comp
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Yeah yeah, I know that I was more referring to some excel wiz who could do it in 2 minutes.
We all know I love numbers, and now the coaches have had their say, here's some figures to compare.
On a macro level, coaches votes totaled 1576, down from 1972 in 2018. After factoring the extra two games (528 v 484), this results in a 13% reduction in votes per game. Using my arbitrary categories from last year..
(2017 had 4 voters, 2018 onwards just 3).
2019 MVP (>6) - ZERO after ONE in 2018.
Mitchell was MVP in 2018, obviously missed this season with his injury. Worpel went closest but was still down on the target figure of 132 votes. I had hoped for O'Meara and Sicily to step up in 2019 but both actually slipped backwards from their 2018 performance. Impey was impressive before his injury.
2019 "A" Grade (beat most opponents >4.5) FIVE - (8 in 2018)
Worpel, Impey, O'Meara, Henderson, Sicily.
O'Meara and Sicily hold their "A" Grade rating, joined by Worpel, Impey and Henderson who all stepped up this year.
Harwick, Gunston, Smith, McEvoy, Breust and Stratton all dropped back.
"12 A-Graders" was the target. We have 5, with a large collection of senior players slipping back a level. Dropping from 9 "A" graders to 5 suggests a LOT of work to be done.
Temporary or a sign of decline?
2019 "B" Grade (beat some opponents, >3) ELEVEN- (8 in 2018)
Shiels, Hardwick, Wingard, McEvoy, Frawley, Birchall, Breust, Stratton, Smith, Gunston, O'Brien
A large group of senior players here, with Wingard and Birchall showing their class in limited exposure due to injury.
Burgoyne, Rioli, Roughead, Howe gone, whilst Impey was upgraded to "A Grade". Two of those are retired already, Howe out-of-favour whilst Burgoyne is doing his best John Farnham impression.
Based on the premiership model having 22 "B" Graders, we are at least 6 players short - all of whom should be in "A" grade territory.
2019 "C" Grade (performed more often than not - >2) TEN - (9 in 2018)
Lewis, Howe, Burgoyne, Scully, Roughead, Jiath, Ceglar, Hanrahan, Puopolo, Cousins
Worpel upgraded straight to "A" grade from this group.
Duryea, Burton traded out.
Mirra, Nash, Morrison dropped to "D' Grade
Lewis upgraded from "D" grade
Scully, Jiath and Hanrahan added to list.
You don't want to be >23 and in this group.
Roughead retired, Burgoyne and Puopolo going again, whilst Ceglar and Scully are over their injuries and MUST move up.
2019 "D" Grade (below average, beaten more than not, <2) TWENTY- (18 in 2018)
Pittonet, Mirra, Nash, Scrimshaw, Morrison, Glass, Brand, Moore, (and 12 zero gamers)
O'brien steps up (straight to "B Grade"!), Lewis ("C Grade").
Whitecross, O'rourke delisted.
The rest were kept
Essentially you don't want any "D" grade games on your list - we had on average of six! in the team each week. Anyone >22 should be an almost automatic delist.
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Perception is a funny thing. I started this research thinking it would reinforce my understanding that we actually weren't too far away. I've ended it thinking we need a hell of a lot to go right.
We have a large core of senior players that as a group critically under-performed in 2019 - much of it due to injury but cannot afford to 'waste' another season at this level.
(Attached Excel for 18 vs 19 comparisons.
On a macro level, coaches votes totaled 1576, down from 1972 in 2018. After factoring the extra two games (528 v 484), this results in a 13% reduction in votes per game. Using my arbitrary categories from last year..
(2017 had 4 voters, 2018 onwards just 3).
Simon_Nesbit said:
2019 MVP (>6) - ZERO after ONE in 2018.
Mitchell was MVP in 2018, obviously missed this season with his injury. Worpel went closest but was still down on the target figure of 132 votes. I had hoped for O'Meara and Sicily to step up in 2019 but both actually slipped backwards from their 2018 performance. Impey was impressive before his injury.
2019 "A" Grade (beat most opponents >4.5) FIVE - (8 in 2018)
Worpel, Impey, O'Meara, Henderson, Sicily.
O'Meara and Sicily hold their "A" Grade rating, joined by Worpel, Impey and Henderson who all stepped up this year.
Harwick, Gunston, Smith, McEvoy, Breust and Stratton all dropped back.
"12 A-Graders" was the target. We have 5, with a large collection of senior players slipping back a level. Dropping from 9 "A" graders to 5 suggests a LOT of work to be done.
Temporary or a sign of decline?
2019 "B" Grade (beat some opponents, >3) ELEVEN- (8 in 2018)
Shiels, Hardwick, Wingard, McEvoy, Frawley, Birchall, Breust, Stratton, Smith, Gunston, O'Brien
A large group of senior players here, with Wingard and Birchall showing their class in limited exposure due to injury.
Burgoyne, Rioli, Roughead, Howe gone, whilst Impey was upgraded to "A Grade". Two of those are retired already, Howe out-of-favour whilst Burgoyne is doing his best John Farnham impression.
Based on the premiership model having 22 "B" Graders, we are at least 6 players short - all of whom should be in "A" grade territory.
2019 "C" Grade (performed more often than not - >2) TEN - (9 in 2018)
Lewis, Howe, Burgoyne, Scully, Roughead, Jiath, Ceglar, Hanrahan, Puopolo, Cousins
Worpel upgraded straight to "A" grade from this group.
Duryea, Burton traded out.
Mirra, Nash, Morrison dropped to "D' Grade
Lewis upgraded from "D" grade
Scully, Jiath and Hanrahan added to list.
You don't want to be >23 and in this group.
Roughead retired, Burgoyne and Puopolo going again, whilst Ceglar and Scully are over their injuries and MUST move up.
2019 "D" Grade (below average, beaten more than not, <2) TWENTY- (18 in 2018)
Pittonet, Mirra, Nash, Scrimshaw, Morrison, Glass, Brand, Moore, (and 12 zero gamers)
O'brien steps up (straight to "B Grade"!), Lewis ("C Grade").
Whitecross, O'rourke delisted.
The rest were kept
Essentially you don't want any "D" grade games on your list - we had on average of six! in the team each week. Anyone >22 should be an almost automatic delist.
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Perception is a funny thing. I started this research thinking it would reinforce my understanding that we actually weren't too far away. I've ended it thinking we need a hell of a lot to go right.
We have a large core of senior players that as a group critically under-performed in 2019 - much of it due to injury but cannot afford to 'waste' another season at this level.
(Attached Excel for 18 vs 19 comparisons.
(in post form)
| Totals | 1576 | 484 | 1972 | 528 | 3.26 | 3.73 | -14.70% | ||||
| Name | Surname | 2019 Rating | 2018 Rating | 2019 Votes | 2019 Games | 2018 Votes | 2018 Games | 2019 VPG | 2018 VPG | Improvement | |
| James | Worpel | A Grade | C Grade | 115 | 22 | 33 | 11 | 5.23 | 3.00 | 74% | |
| Jarman | Impey | A Grade | B Grade | 85 | 17 | 73 | 24 | 5.00 | 3.04 | 64% | |
| Jaegar | O’Meara | A Grade | A Grade | 103 | 21 | 120 | 21 | 4.90 | 5.71 | -14% | |
| Ricky | Henderson | A Grade | B Grade | 104 | 22 | 71 | 22 | 4.73 | 3.23 | 46% | |
| James | Sicily | A Grade | A Grade | 100 | 22 | 87 | 16 | 4.55 | 5.44 | -16% | |
| Liam | Shiels | B Grade | B Grade | 78 | 19 | 99 | 23 | 4.11 | 4.30 | -5% | |
| Blake | Hardwick | B Grade | A Grade | 90 | 22 | 127 | 24 | 4.09 | 5.29 | -23% | |
| Chad | Wingard | B Grade | Traded | 57 | 14 | 0 | 0 | 4.07 | 0.00 | 0% | |
| Ben | McEvoy | B Grade | A Grade | 75 | 19 | 99 | 19 | 3.95 | 5.21 | -24% | |
| James | Frawley | B Grade | B Grade | 62 | 18 | 66 | 20 | 3.44 | 3.30 | 4% | |
| Grant | Birchall | B Grade | Injured | 10 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 3.33 | 0.00 | 0% | |
| Luke | Breust | B Grade | A Grade | 73 | 22 | 119 | 24 | 3.32 | 4.96 | -33% | |
| Ben | Stratton | B Grade | A Grade | 63 | 19 | 112 | 23 | 3.32 | 4.87 | -32% | |
| Isaac | Smith | B Grade | A Grade | 62 | 19 | 125 | 24 | 3.26 | 5.21 | -37% | |
| Jack | Gunston | B Grade | A Grade | 62 | 20 | 121 | 23 | 3.10 | 5.26 | -41% | |
| Tim | O’Brien | B Grade | D Grade | 49 | 16 | 20 | 12 | 3.06 | 1.67 | 84% | |
| Mitchell | Lewis | C Grade | D Grade | 36 | 12 | 0 | 2 | 3.00 | 0.00 | 0% | |
| Daniel | Howe | C Grade | B Grade | 35 | 12 | 55 | 17 | 2.92 | 3.24 | -10% | |
| Shaun | Burgoyne | C Grade | B Grade | 48 | 18 | 73 | 17 | 2.67 | 4.29 | -38% | |
| Tom | Scully | C Grade | Traded | 56 | 21 | 0 | 0 | 2.67 | 0.00 | 0% | |
| Jarryd | Roughead | C Grade | B Grade | 21 | 8 | 79 | 22 | 2.63 | 3.59 | -27% | |
| Changkouth | Jiath | C Grade | D Grade | 5 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 2.50 | 0.00 | 0% | |
| Jonathon | Ceglar | C Grade | C Grade | 34 | 15 | 25 | 11 | 2.27 | 2.27 | 0% | |
| Oliver | Hanrahan | C Grade | DNP | 20 | 9 | 0 | 0 | 2.22 | 0.00 | 0% | |
| Paul | Puopolo | C Grade | C Grade | 47 | 22 | 54 | 20 | 2.14 | 2.70 | -21% | |
| James | Cousins | C Grade | C Grade | 25 | 12 | 9 | 4 | 2.08 | 2.25 | -7% | |
| Marc | Pittonet | D Grade | D Grade | 4 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2.00 | 1.00 | 100% | |
| David | Mirra | D Grade | D Grade | 6 | 4 | 14 | 7 | 1.50 | 2.00 | -25% | |
| Conor | Nash | D Grade | C Grade | 19 | 14 | 11 | 5 | 1.36 | 2.20 | -38% | |
| Jack | Scrimshaw | D Grade | Traded | 11 | 10 | 0 | 0 | 1.10 | 0.00 | 0% | |
| Harry | Morrison | D Grade | C Grade | 8 | 9 | 48 | 21 | 0.89 | 2.29 | -61% | |
| Conor | Glass | D Grade | D Grade | 6 | 7 | 2 | 4 | 0.86 | 0.50 | 71% | |
| Kaiden | Brand | D Grade | D Grade | 4 | 5 | 13 | 10 | 0.80 | 1.30 | -38% | |
| Dylan | Moore | D Grade | DNP | 3 | 7 | 0 | 0 | 0.43 | 0.00 | 0% | |
| Tom | Mitchell | Injured | MVP | 0 | 0 | 163 | 24 | 0.00 | 6.79 | -100% | |
| Cyril | Rioli | Retired | B Grade | 0 | 0 | 15 | 4 | 0.00 | 3.75 | -100% | |
| Taylor | Duryea | Traded | C Grade | 0 | 0 | 40 | 17 | 0.00 | 2.35 | -100% | |
| Ryan | Burton | Traded | C Grade | 0 | 0 | 52 | 23 | 0.00 | 2.26 | -100% | |
| Teia | Miles | D Grade | D Grade | 0 | 0 | 14 | 8 | 0.00 | 1.75 | -100% | |
| Brendan | Whitecross | Retired | D Grade | 0 | 0 | 9 | 6 | 0.00 | 1.50 | -100% | |
| Ryan | Schoenmakers | D Grade | D Grade | 0 | 0 | 12 | 9 | 0.00 | 1.33 | -100% | |
| Will | Langford | Retired | Injured | 0 | 0 | 7 | 6 | 0.00 | 1.17 | -100% | |
| Jonathon | O'Rourke | Delisted | D Grade | 0 | 0 | 3 | 3 | 0.00 | 1.00 | -100% | |
| Will | Golds | D Grade | Drafted | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0.00 | 0.00 | 0% | |
| Tim | Mohr | D Grade | Drafted | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0.00 | 0.00 | 0% | |
| Ned | Reeves | D Grade | Drafted | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0.00 | 0.00 | 0% | |
| Mathew | Walker | D Grade | Drafted | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0.00 | 0.00 | 0% | |
| Jacob | Koschitzke | D Grade | D Grade | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0.00 | 0.00 | 0% | |
| Jackson | Ross | D Grade | D Grade | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0.00 | 0.00 | 0% | |
| Harrison | Jones | D Grade | D Grade | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0.00 | 0.00 | 0% | |
| Darren | Minchington | D Grade | Drafted | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0.00 | 0.00 | 0% | |
| Damon | Greaves | D Grade | D Grade | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0.00 | 0.00 | 0% |
