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Pafloyul

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Have always said it is impossible to pick the best player at every pick, it is a bonus if you do and if a recruiter has a better than 60% strike rate, then they are in the top bracket of identifiers. Personally, what is more important is reducing your bust. I think there are only 3 players left in the system, from our drafting between 2007 - 2014, staggering really
And some of those busts were busts precisely because we thought they were the surest bet. This is not the case with Walsh, for obvious reasons, but the lower you go in the draft, it's a case of diminishing returns, might as well go for the guy with a bit of 'upside'. I think in the Hughes/Rogers era we sometimes reached with our first and last pick but took the 'safe' option, who every other club rejected, in the bulk of the draft. Remember all those 'steals' we drafted?
 

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Have always said it is impossible to pick the best player at every pick, it is a bonus if you do and if a recruiter has a better than 60% strike rate, then they are in the top bracket of identifiers. Personally, what is more important is reducing your bust. I think there are only 3 players left in the system, from our drafting between 2007 - 2014, staggering really
I don't think we need to be taking bust proof selections, we just shouldn't be swinging for the fences taking a couple of highlights and projecting what a player could be like. Bootsma, Hampson, Boekhurst great examples of this.
 

Pafloyul

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I don't think we need to be taking bust proof selections, we just shouldn't be swinging for the fences taking a couple of highlights and projecting what a player could be like. Bootsma, Hampson, Boekhurst great examples of this.
I don't know; Hampson was the only one of those three that screamed out to be taken as a project with high potential, yet he was still too much of a reach at pick 17. We should have went with Kurt Tippet, at least he was good for a few years. The other two you mentioned should have just taken an interview or two to sort out just how high to draft them, if at all.
 
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A summary of Archi's game today:
1st Quarter: poor positioning meant he didn't get to dangerous positions or become an option for his teammates. A poor forward structure for the Jets wasn't helping.

2nd Quarter: the ball hardly found its way inside the Jets F50. Late in the quarter Archi took a good mark about 15m from goal. He proceeded to walk back to the 50m line, strolled into about 35 from goal, had a quick skip (ala Josh Kennedy), stabbed at the ball & kicked it out of bounds on the full, the ball barely carrying the boundary line.

3rd Quarter: positioning was much better, involved in a number of marking contests but couldn't quite clunk them. A nice smother resulted in a quick snap for goal which missed to the left.

4th Quarter: took a nice contested mark out on the Gardiner Stand wing. Took a further mark about 30m out, directly in front of goal. As he was walking in to kick for goal I noticed his left arm was a fair bit higher than his right arm as he was holding onto the ball, not unlike Fev, but the ball drop reflected this unorthodox technique, resulting in the kick missing to the left. Got a free kick in the goal square for high contact & pretty well played on as soon as he got the ball in hand. Clearly his previous missed shots on goal had knocked his confidence. He did kick the goal, so all good. Very late in the quarter he kicked a nice soccer goal.

2.2 & one out of bounds on the full was the sum total of Archi's work, both goals coming in the last quarter when the game was done & dusted. I have noticed in a lot of games this season his goals seem to come late in the game. I'm not sure this actually means anything, but is a definite trend.

One thing I will say that Archi has going for him is that when he gets his body in front his opponent has a hard time shifting him, or spoiling the ball.

Having only changed back to footy this year, I'm of the belief that Archi would probably benefit from another season in the NAB League as an over-age player, or perhaps a spot on the Northern Blues' supplementary list as was the case this year with his brother Oskar & Kye Quirk.
 

Navy_Blueblood

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A summary of Archi's game today:
1st Quarter: poor positioning meant he didn't get to dangerous positions or become an option for his teammates. A poor forward structure for the Jets wasn't helping.

2nd Quarter: the ball hardly found its way inside the Jets F50. Late in the quarter Archi took a good mark about 15m from goal. He proceeded to walk back to the 50m line, strolled into about 35 from goal, had a quick skip (ala Josh Kennedy), stabbed at the ball & kicked it out of bounds on the full, the ball barely carrying the boundary line.

3rd Quarter: positioning was much better, involved in a number of marking contests but couldn't quite clunk them. A nice smother resulted in a quick snap for goal which missed to the left.

4th Quarter: took a nice contested mark out on the Gardiner Stand wing. Took a further mark about 30m out, directly in front of goal. As he was walking in to kick for goal I noticed his left arm was a fair bit higher than his right arm as he was holding onto the ball, not unlike Fev, but the ball drop reflected this unorthodox technique, resulting in the kick missing to the left. Got a free kick in the goal square for high contact & pretty well played on as soon as he got the ball in hand. Clearly his previous missed shots on goal had knocked his confidence. He did kick the goal, so all good. Very late in the quarter he kicked a nice soccer goal.

2.2 & one out of bounds on the full was the sum total of Archi's work, both goals coming in the last quarter when the game was done & dusted. I have noticed in a lot of games this season his goals seem to come late in the game. I'm not sure this actually means anything, but is a definite trend.

One thing I will say that Archi has going for him is that when he gets his body in front his opponent has a hard time shifting him, or spoiling the ball.

Having only changed back to footy this year, I'm of the belief that Archi would probably benefit from another season in the NAB League as an over-age player, or perhaps a spot on the Northern Blues' supplementary list as was the case this year with his brother Oskar & Kye Quirk.
Thanks for the report! Just wish the news was more positive
 

BLUEALLTHRU

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A summary of Archi's game today:
1st Quarter: poor positioning meant he didn't get to dangerous positions or become an option for his teammates. A poor forward structure for the Jets wasn't helping.

2nd Quarter: the ball hardly found its way inside the Jets F50. Late in the quarter Archi took a good mark about 15m from goal. He proceeded to walk back to the 50m line, strolled into about 35 from goal, had a quick skip (ala Josh Kennedy), stabbed at the ball & kicked it out of bounds on the full, the ball barely carrying the boundary line.

3rd Quarter: positioning was much better, involved in a number of marking contests but couldn't quite clunk them. A nice smother resulted in a quick snap for goal which missed to the left.

4th Quarter: took a nice contested mark out on the Gardiner Stand wing. Took a further mark about 30m out, directly in front of goal. As he was walking in to kick for goal I noticed his left arm was a fair bit higher than his right arm as he was holding onto the ball, not unlike Fev, but the ball drop reflected this unorthodox technique, resulting in the kick missing to the left. Got a free kick in the goal square for high contact & pretty well played on as soon as he got the ball in hand. Clearly his previous missed shots on goal had knocked his confidence. He did kick the goal, so all good. Very late in the quarter he kicked a nice soccer goal.

2.2 & one out of bounds on the full was the sum total of Archi's work, both goals coming in the last quarter when the game was done & dusted. I have noticed in a lot of games this season his goals seem to come late in the game. I'm not sure this actually means anything, but is a definite trend.

One thing I will say that Archi has going for him is that when he gets his body in front his opponent has a hard time shifting him, or spoiling the ball.

Having only changed back to footy this year, I'm of the belief that Archi would probably benefit from another season in the NAB League as an over-age player, or perhaps a spot on the Northern Blues' supplementary list as was the case this year with his brother Oskar & Kye Quirk.
Great analysis MSR ! Probably the best going round.
 

Burgers45

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Jimmae

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Hey guys do we now if any other father sons kids have kicked on besides SOS? Was just checking out this list from when we opened our fathers son academy back in 2015
Oskar and Jake wound up on Northern supplementary lists, Jake wasn't up to the grade unfortunately. Archi is in the mix this year, as mentioned.

Bailey is obviously now with the Saints, but not much chop. Jack & Ben look like great prospects, and Dylan goes alright, and honestly could have been a good player under better development and injury management programs than the ones he copped coming to the club with ankle issues.

Will Hickmott probably would have wound up on the Northern list last season if he wasn't WA-based... aside from Liam Hickmott, I'm not sure any other names have reached under 18s yet?
 

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