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Peter Siddle

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Knight Ryders said:
That Baggy Green does some funny things to cricketers...

Some look like a million dollars playing at First Class level, yet look all at sea once they put on the Baggy Green and others are somewhat lucky to get a gig and grow an extra leg and perform what would be considered above themselves.

Siddle definitely is the latter. You can question his ability, but you can't question his heart. Rise to the occasion SID!
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I wouldnt put Siddle in either category actually, wasnt lucky to get a gig and isnt performing above himself, always done well at first class level and earnt his chances
 

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Coughlan said:
The thing that is a bit bizzare is that the same people who criticized Siddle leading into this match, are totally in love with Ben Hilfenhaus.
Their stats are pretty much the same.
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I'm glad someone pointed this out. Hilfenhaus gets fawned over by the media & on BF, with talk of how much he swings the ball, yet put him in less favourable conditions (the humidity today was not like you normally get for a Gabba Test) & his bowling is rather benign.

If he doesn't take a few wickets in the 2nd innings & Bollinger has a good one for NSW, then Hilfenhaus may end up facing the chop, because you can rest assured the selectors won't drop Johnson. It would not be a good look for one of Cricket Australia's highest paid players to be running around in the Shield while an Ashes series is being played.
 
If he bowls with a brain, he'll probably be our best quick for the Summer.

If he doesn't, he'll struggle with the odd ripping spell (like today).

I like the guy, lion-heart and goes all day, if he's learnt from his time out of the game (which, after his first spell today, it looks like he has), he'll start to live up to the promise.

Will probably throw some coin on him for most wickets.
 
Mitchell Madness said:
unfortunately, Sids is a Victorian, so unless he can take 10 wickets in an innings and get 500 runs with the bat, he will never be rated in Australian cricket.

He is the only viable paceman in australian cricket who can bowl consistent spells, get given a task and do it, much in the mould of Glenn McGrath (and more recently Stuart Clark).

Hopefully his first innings performance in brissie gives selectors a kick up the arse and keep him in the side.

He has more right to a place in the side than Mitch Johnson who would struggle to hit buckingham palace from the front door, or to a lesser extent Hilfenhaus, who can be great, but can also be all over the shop
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Are you serious? He is probably one of the guy's that has been earmarked as a future key player, and gets picked regularly, excluding injury. I am not sure you actually have any idea what you are on about. I am not saying that he doesn't deserve to get picked, I am a massive fan of his and think that he should be in the side, but, the fact that the selectors picked him to play in the ODI side obviously indicating that they like the young guy and want him to be playing when fit. I think he has earnt that right, but, you are carrying on like he is toiling away, taking 8,000 wickets a year and getting ignored by the selectors. Please don't try and turn him into a hard luck story. He is a guy that showed promise at a relatively young age, was given a shot, took his chance and has now become a permanent part of the side. I would think, other than Johnson, he would comfortably be the highest "rated" bowler in the eyes of Australian cricket.
 
mediumsizered said:
I'm glad someone pointed this out. Hilfenhaus gets fawned over by the media & on BF, with talk of how much he swings the ball, yet put him in less favourable conditions (the humidity today was not like you normally get for a Gabba Test) & his bowling is rather benign.

If he doesn't take a few wickets in the 2nd innings & Bollinger has a good one for NSW, then Hilfenhaus may end up facing the chop, because you can rest assured the selectors won't drop Johnson. It would not be a good look for one of Cricket Australia's highest paid players to be running around in the Shield while an Ashes series is being played.
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That's because Hilfenhaus has been our best fast bowler (when he's in the team). Did you watch the the last Ashes and/or the corresponding match last year? The thing with Hilfy, he gets the good players out, that's why he wont be out of the side. The only reason his average is not where it should be, Ponting always brings his mates on to clean up the tail, ie. Johnson to get cheapies to boost his confidence.

Whilst Siddle looked extremely good yesterday and hopefully he's turned the corner, his bowling does resemble right arm poo at times and that can't be denied. He has had a few games where he has been on fire and taken a bunch of wickets, but where is that aggression the rest of the time? Most of the time he just runs in and just bowls straight up and down and thinks mis-directed bouncers are going to get him wickets. When he runs in at 135km he poses no problem to the worlds best batsmen, but like yesterday, when he's going at 140km, he's a different proposition.

Whilst Hilfy wasn't at his best yesterday, he did leak a few runs going for swing, which is his best asset. Johnson is a liability atm, whilst Siddle is providing the shock & awe if you will, his role is almost defunct. He can't be carried for much longer and bowl the rubbish he is, when someone in the team can do the same job and another bowler can come in and provide more control. Thankfully Watson is taking up the slack. Ponting loves his mates though, so will never happen.
 
I'll admit I was surprised, and probably would have chosen Harris over Siddle. But good on him, bowled a ripping spell and now deserves his spot.
What he has also done is make the pace bowling slots a lock for the series barring injury. Hilf bowled pretty well and MJ is unlikely to be dropped
 

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Dude Lebowski said:
That's because Hilfenhaus has been our best fast bowler (when he's in the team). Did you watch the the last Ashes and/or the corresponding match last year? The thing with Hilfy, he gets the good players out, that's why he wont be out of the side. The only reason his average is not where it should be, Ponting always brings his mates on to clean up the tail, ie. Johnson to get cheapies to boost his confidence.
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He is not our best fast bowler, he is actually our worst fast bowler. He doesn't take enough wickets. Yes he looks good bowling and he looks quality but he doesn't take the wickets.

Your point about Ponting bringing his mates on (but not Hilfy) to clean up the tail is just rubbish.
 
The 747 said:
He is not our best fast bowler, he is actually our worst fast bowler. He doesn't take enough wickets. Yes he looks good bowling and he looks quality but he doesn't take the wickets.

Your point about Ponting bringing his mates on (but not Hilfy) to clean up the tail is just rubbish.
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Don't make me laugh. :rolleyes: Who is our best fast bowler then? The 2 guys that were dead certs going into this test were Johnson and Hilf and we all know how Johnson is travelling atm. And please don't say Siddle on just yesterdays efforts, it was line ball between him and Bollinger to get into the team in the first place.

Are you basing this on yesterdays efforts? AGAIN, who was the number one wicket taker in last years Ashes (from both teams) before he got injured? Doesn't take enough wickets you say? Sure he doesn't take big 5'fers, but the guys currently in the team who have, play numerous shit games in a row between these. At least Hilf is consistent, without too much luck I may add.
 
Dude Lebowski said:
Don't make me laugh. :rolleyes: Who is our best fast bowler then? The 2 guys that were dead certs going into this test were Johnson and Hilf and we all know how Johnson is travelling atm. And please don't say Siddle on just yesterdays efforts, it was line ball between him and Bollinger to get into the team in the first place.

Are you basing this on yesterdays efforts? AGAIN, who was the number one wicket taker in last years Ashes (from both teams) before he got injured? Doesn't take enough wickets you say? Sure he doesn't take big 5'fers, but the guys currently in the team who have, play numerous shit games in a row between these. At least Hilf is consistent, without too much luck I may add.
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I don't want to make you laugh but I am basing the statement on that old thing called averages. Look at our bowlers averages and tell me who is the worst of our quicks. Please don't laugh, maybe just try to comprehend. :thumbsu:
 

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The 747 said:
He is not our best fast bowler, he is actually our worst fast bowler. He doesn't take enough wickets. Yes he looks good bowling and he looks quality but he doesn't take the wickets.
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Stupid comment. Hilf has a ton of talent and has been our best bowler on a number of occasions. He had a somewhat off day yesterday but judging him based on 1 innings is silly. When not taking wickets, he puts batsmen under more pressure then the other bowlers the majority of the time.

Far too many folk around here are over-reactionary.
 
eddiesmith said:
Interesting that Siddle averages about 25 when he opens the bowling and 38 when bowling 1st change so if Johnson goes out then his replacement should be 1st change
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Bit of a misleading stat in regards to this game though - as all of his wickets came in the second and third spells - so it's not like he is getting the new ball to talk.

It may help in regards to getting his confidence up - but his new ball bowling yesterday was pedestrian. He had the old rock talking though.
 
I can't breathe with all the egg on my face. I bag him like I have no other and he gets a " 6 for" with a hat-track.

Time to pick on Johnson, maybe bagging him will get him a match winning innings...lol!

North is beyond it..lol!
 
The 747 said:
I don't want to make you laugh but I am basing the statement on that old thing called averages. Look at our bowlers averages and tell me who is the worst of our quicks. Please don't laugh, maybe just try to comprehend. :thumbsu:
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Well, I think you are on your own. Don't worry about averages, averages don't tell the full story here. There are some bowlers who take out the tail and ones who knock over the top order. Hilfy is a bowler who usually gets the key wickets whilst keeping his end tight so the others can do their thing. You can't have a team full of Mitch Johnson's. Would also be fraught with danger picking a team based on averages, Warnie wouldn't have lasted a game if that was the case.
 

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