Peter Siddle

[i_hate_scams]

cummins and patterson wouldve been handy, along with harris

 

[Ill Chicken]

Since when was Siddle able to stop runs leaking with Johnson in the side?

 

[brisbane13]

Or what is known as the correct speed.

so every bowler this season are bowling slower, there was a lot more bowlers clocking over the 140kms mark last year than this year.

dale stayne considered one of the faster bowlers in the world is only bowling in the late 130kms

 

[brisbane13]

cummins and patterson wouldve been handy, along with harris

Harris has totally gone off the radar, has almost become the forgotten man of the selectors and the media, along with Harris and Bollinger they seem to never get a mention.

 

[Ill Chicken]

so every bowler this season are bowling slower, there was a lot more bowlers clocking over the 140kms mark last year than this year.

dale stayne considered one of the faster bowlers in the world is only bowling in the late 130kms

Haha, no the bowlers are still bowling the same pace, the clocks were wound up for the tv and spectators. You watch in the BBL, blokes will be bowling in the 140's and they commentators will hype it up, there will be a little KFC advert for every time they hit it. Back in reality they're bowling low 130's and high 120's.

 

[Doodlesweaver]

th
thats a good point last few summers nines speed gun regularly had bowlers hovering around the mid 140 k mark with the odd 150ks. but this summer the gun seems to be around the 10 k slower with most balls around the mid to late 130 k

Exactly how often do you think bowlers get up to 155k an hour in a test match? It's probably about... never.

 

[Doodlesweaver]

Haha, no the bowlers are still bowling the same pace, the clocks were wound up for the tv and spectators. You watch in the BBL, blokes will be bowling in the 140's and they commentators will hype it up, there will be a little KFC advert for every time they hit it. Back in reality they're bowling low 130's and high 120's.

Sky did it a couple of years ago for a West Indies tour to England. One match every single pace bowler was clocked at over 88mph for most of their spell and most of them were bowling around 92/3 mph for overs on end. The commentators were laughing about it a lot.

 

[Ill Chicken]

Harris has totally gone off the radar, has almost become the forgotten man of the selectors and the media, along with Harris and Bollinger they seem to never get a mention.

Harris had shoulder surgery and is still recovering, from memory he hoped to be available for the Sri Lankian tests if all went well.

 

[Parquet Court]

Harris had shoulder surgery and is still recovering, from memory he hoped to be available for the Sri Lankian tests if all went well.

Yep that's right. Broke down. Again at the end of last summer. Opted out of playing through it durin the windies tour

 

[Dixie Flatline]

I can't see Harris playing for Australia again. He's too injury prone.

 

[Rocky_Star_Pro]

We got our second or possibly third string bowling attack out there. Hopefully what this South African team clobbering our bowlers shows is that as much of an honest trier as people think Siddle is, he is vital to our team. Siddle, Pattinson, Cummins and Ryan Harris are our best quicks imo, shame three of them rarely get on the park

 

[Brown n Gold]

You'd have to say a fair upgrade on Brett Lee

Siddle has heart there is no doubt about it but still averages nearly 30 with the ball and doesn't have anything like Lee's strike rate, both bowl an equal amount of rank short shit... Lee slightly more less accurate but did bowl 10-15kph quicker..

 

[Jimthegreat]

You must have a short memory of Siddle yes? How do you suspect BF dubbed him "right arm poo"? Though this looks like its in the past, and he has learnt to become a quality bowler. We all love Sids and the attitude he brings to the team.
Even still, Lee is still better as it stands imo, but that opinion changes from person to person so it's up in the air.

I've learned to really like Siddle, but, yes, definitely prefer Brett Lee, at least for now. For the runs Lee gave away he could really get cause the opposition real problems with pace and wicket taking ability. A true strike bowler. 310 wickets from 76 Tests, 4 a Test, at a strike rate of 52 (I think), made him a dangerous proposition. Only the 4th Australia to take 300 Test wickets behind 3 greats. His average blew out alot during a lean period in the middle of his career. After that period he became a very good bowler getting his average back under 30 while getting many wickets at a superb strike rate, just blowing back over 30 as his career was nearing it's end. While certainly not a "great" he was a very good bowler.

Siddle is going to be a very fine bowler when his career is done. Look forward to watching him bowl in company with Pattinson and Cummins (and Watson) on a consistent basis. Be a very dangerous attack if we could get them all on the park in the one go.

 

[brisbane13]

Exactly how often do you think bowlers get up to 155k an hour in a test match? It's probably about... never.

ha didnt Jeff Thompson bowel every ball around 160kms, (so the story goes)

 

[Slax]

ha didnt Jeff Thompson bowel every ball around 160kms, (so the story goes)

Thommo was a freak, interestingly Marsh reckons he kept to some spells where he was bowling close to 170kmh, but as there wasn't the equipment to record it no-one will ever be able to confirm it.

 

[i_hate_scams]

Harris has totally gone off the radar, has almost become the forgotten man of the selectors and the media, along with Harris and Bollinger they seem to never get a mention.

Bollinger had his papers marked during the last ashes. But then again you can say the same about Hilf in that same series. I doubt Bollinger would be recall unless he takes a crazy amount of wickets. I think it was the fact that he came into that series overweight and unfit, the selectors lost faith in him. As for harris, I read somewhere about a week or tow ago that he was 6 weeks away from bowling, so I doubt he would play in the sri Lankan series.

 

[Ill Chicken]

Thommo was a freak, interestingly Marsh reckons he kept to some spells where he was bowling close to 170kmh, but as there wasn't the equipment to record it no-one will ever be able to confirm it.

I don't think it is physically possible for a human body to let the ball go at that pace. You just have to look at baseball to see that no one is pitching 170kmh or has come close. Thommo's action is what would get him a few extra yards of pace because it is difficult to pick up.

 

[Slax]

I don't think it is physically possible for a human body to let the ball go at that pace. You just have to look at baseball to see that no one is pitching 170kmh or has come close. Thommo's action is what would get him a few extra yards of pace because it is difficult to pick up.

Part of the issue for baseball is that the forward momentem is created by the shoulder and arm speed. The difference in cricket is that you are able to develop momentuem before you enter into the delivery (pitch) which enables a higher speed. Roger Clemens is accredited with a pitch of 106mph (170kmh) so it is possible.

 

[The 747]

Bollinger had his papers marked during the last ashes. But then again you can say the same about Hilf in that same series. I doubt Bollinger would be recall unless he takes a crazy amount of wickets. I think it was the fact that he came into that series overweight and unfit, the selectors lost faith in him. As for harris, I read somewhere about a week or tow ago that he was 6 weeks away from bowling, so I doubt he would play in the sri Lankan series.

Yep - and he put pressure on the selectors in the media, saying he was fit and why wouldnt they pick him. Then rocked up unfit and bowled mid 120's garbage in Adelaide, so bad that Ponting came out and said he "hit the wall" in his press conference but Dougeh proceeded to tell all his NSW media mates that he was fine and (therefore) Ponting was bullshitting. Notably Dougeh has never played for Australia again and never will. Cant have blokes like that in the team.

 

[King Elvis]

Not defending him, because you're right, but didn't Cricket Australia also completely stuff up his prep for the Series? Pulled him out of games that he was desperate to play to try and get match fitness, because they didn't want him risking injury?

 

[Natho]

Could have used the Sid yesterday with the ball.

 

[The 747]

Not defending him, because you're right, but didn't Cricket Australia also completely stuff up his prep for the Series? Pulled him out of games that he was desperate to play to try and get match fitness, because they didn't want him risking injury?

Something like that, although in this case Bollinger made sure we knew his side of the story.

I am fairly sure his preparation and subsequent performance wouldnt have been a problem had he not bullshitted about it. Still has a Test average of sub 25 IIRC, same for ODI but has never been picked again.

 

[Ill Chicken]

Part of the issue for baseball is that the forward momentem is created by the shoulder and arm speed. The difference in cricket is that you are able to develop momentuem before you enter into the delivery (pitch) which enables a higher speed. Roger Clemens is accredited with a pitch of 106mph (170kmh) so it is possible.

Citation needed.

 

[Slax]

Citation needed.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=sh-redspadres092410

The Roger Clemens one was not in competition, so I will drop back to the highest recorded in competition by Aroldis Chapman of 105.1mph (169kmh)

 

[Jimthegreat]

I don't think it is physically possible for a human body to let the ball go at that pace. You just have to look at baseball to see that no one is pitching 170kmh or has come close. Thommo's action is what would get him a few extra yards of pace because it is difficult to pick up.

Remember Ian Chappell saying that one Test Thommo bowled bouncer then went like a 747 plane, so not a loopy bouncer, that just kept going up and half volleyed the fence on the first bounce. He said the batsman saw that and that ball was the one that demoralised England for the entire series.

Thing is the fastest balls are usually full deliveries. Thommo achieved those speeds by hitting the pitch hard short of a length. The extraordinary bounce he achieved from that length made him severely dangerous.