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[cAsEy_18]

totally off the point but who do you play for just asking?

I know Gaertener and play for his local based club he has been playing footy for a while I am pretty sure since he was around 10 or 11 at least, but i could be wrong.

He played a game with our seniors at Edi Asp in the penishula league when Stingrays didn't have a game and was in our top 2-3 players on the ground. It was 2nd vs 3rd and is a good standard of footy. Shows he can play against men. He is also bottom age and the games I have seen him play and played with him he has shown some pretty good kicking skills especaily from set shots.

He needs some time in the gym and really could be a star in 3 or 4 years.

Just a question to you guys do you think been a bottom age player is significant, I feel it really is one year at that age is a bigger difference to some players then people think, picking bottom age players might be the way to go just because at this point in time they are not as good as some other top ages doesn't mean they won't turn out twice as good a player?

 

[foj1]

watched Darcy daniher today and he was terrific. In reality essendon will pick him instead of Gaertner. Picked 4 out of 6 selections- Ebert, Gaertner, Dangerfield and Lachie Hill. I reckon we need runners more than anything else.
Still contemplating a ruckman and another good athletic type.

 

[Duckworth]

If only we decided to have another pick in the super draft we could have taken a punt on someone like Collier.

Makes my very angry to think we held on to the likes of Bolts and Heff when we could have taken a punt.

Agree totally!! hopefully we learn this year, although the deep end of the draft won't be as good.

 

[Barts]

watched Darcy daniher today and he was terrific. In reality essendon will pick him instead of Gaertner. Picked 4 out of 6 selections- Ebert, Gaertner, Dangerfield and Lachie Hill. I reckon we need runners more than anything else.
Still contemplating a ruckman and another good athletic type.

Watched Daniher today too. Great grab and floating goal in the 1st qtr. Going to be a very versatile player!

 

[SOT4]

Danniher still not picked in the phantom draft yet. Would a third round pick be too high for him?

 

[ant555]

watched Darcy daniher today and he was terrific. In reality essendon will pick him instead of Gaertner. Picked 4 out of 6 selections- Ebert, Gaertner, Dangerfield and Lachie Hill. I reckon we need runners more than anything else.
Still contemplating a ruckman and another good athletic type.

Dangerfield was pretty good yesterday. He has grown taller as well. He is clearly 192ish cm now. Played on Daniher for a while and was pretty good. Ran off him a few times.

Given no one has actually taken Daniher in the phantom draft so far i think he would be worth picking in round 5 if he is still there.
There are a few project talls left like Renton and Lobbe from Eastern.
There is any number of midfielders who would be looked at from round 4 onwards.

 

[foj1]

Dangerfield was pretty good yesterday. He has grown taller as well. He is clearly 192ish cm now. Played on Daniher for a while and was pretty good. Ran off him a few times.

Given no one has actually taken Daniher in the phantom draft so far i think he would be worth picking in round 5 if he is still there.
There are a few project talls left like Renton and Lobbe from Eastern.
There is any number of midfielders who would be looked at from round 4 onwards.

Renton is gone. I actually dont rate Lobbe as a ruckman. He reminds me of Drew Petrie a little. I think he will be a tall key position player.

 

[ant555]

Renton is gone. I actually dont rate Lobbe as a ruckman. He reminds me of Drew Petrie a little. I think he will be a tall key position player.

I dont rate Lobbe as a ruck either . Didnt quite make that clear. He will be KP.
I didnt realise Renton had gone.

 

[Ants]

If only we decided to have another pick in the super draft we could have taken a punt on someone like Collier.

Makes my very angry to think we held on to the likes of Bolts and Heff when we could have taken a punt.

Yeah, I was angry about that as well. Couldn't believe we didn't go to the well as much as possible last year. Espescially seeing some of the late picks play this year.

watched Darcy daniher today and he was terrific. In reality essendon will pick him instead of Gaertner. Picked 4 out of 6 selections- Ebert, Gaertner, Dangerfield and Lachie Hill. I reckon we need runners more than anything else.
Still contemplating a ruckman and another good athletic type.

We could go both Danniher AND Gaetner. Or Danniher and Rance given how our 1st pick is looking to be lower.

I really believe we need to start picking up KP backs, and if at our 1st or 2nd pick there is a KP back as good as the other players, take them. With the question marks over Lee, Michael & Fletcher's ages, and questions as to whether Ryder's best position is back, I think we need at least two out of this draft, and preferably good ones.

You look at every top team, they have at least one 'go to' backmen, the guy they can trust to most weeks shut down a forward, or at least minimise the damage. Rutten, Glass, Scarlet, Barry, Cornes, Leppitsch/Michael, Fletcher/Wellman, all the top sides have had at least one.

So if there's someone who might become that player, we shouldn't not pick them just because it would take a high pick.

After the two KP backs, I think we have so many holes you'd take best available. We're still screaming out for a true small forward (I see Lovett/Davey as HFFs, not FPs), with McVeigh & Welsh playing up the ground we need a quality small back, and of course inside midfielders to help out Watson would be nice. On the rucks, I'd be tempted to rookie another one. With Hille/Laycock/Ryder, I don't think its such a priority.

 

[ant555]

We could go both Danniher AND Gaetner. Or Danniher and Rance given how our 1st pick is looking to be lower.

I really believe we need to start picking up KP backs, and if at our 1st or 2nd pick there is a KP back as good as the other players, take them. With the question marks over Lee, Michael & Fletcher's ages, and questions as to whether Ryder's best position is back, I think we need at least two out of this draft, and preferably good ones.

You look at every top team, they have at least one 'go to' backmen, the guy they can trust to most weeks shut down a forward, or at least minimise the damage. Rutten, Glass, Scarlet, Barry, Cornes, Leppitsch/Michael, Fletcher/Wellman, all the top sides have had at least one.

So if there's someone who might become that player, we shouldn't not pick them just because it would take a high pick.

After the two KP backs, I think we have so many holes you'd take best available. We're still screaming out for a true small forward (I see Lovett/Davey as HFFs, not FPs), with McVeigh & Welsh playing up the ground we need a quality small back, and of course inside midfielders to help out Watson would be nice. On the rucks, I'd be tempted to rookie another one. With Hille/Laycock/Ryder, I don't think its such a priority.

Or we could go with midfield first. Someone like Dangerfield who is now around the same height as Daniher with more mobility and pace second round. Daniher third round.
I dont disagree that the defence has some holes in it when you look forward. So i cane see your case for Rance is very strong , particualry if the best 4 or 5 mids are gone. If Masten is still around i think we should take him. He is the guys most likely to fall out of the top 5 picks but is the guy who fits one of our real needs and that is an upgrade at the clearances. If he is gone and we are picking around pick 10 and Rance is there then yes you couldnt pass on Rance. Somehow i get the feeling a few others will look closly at Rance. The Saints have some problems with their defence. He is the type of player that suites the Swans if we finish above them.

 

[foj1]

Yeah, I was angry about that as well. Couldn't believe we didn't go to the well as much as possible last year. Espescially seeing some of the late picks play this year.



We could go both Danniher AND Gaetner. Or Danniher and Rance given how our 1st pick is looking to be lower.

I really believe we need to start picking up KP backs, and if at our 1st or 2nd pick there is a KP back as good as the other players, take them. With the question marks over Lee, Michael & Fletcher's ages, and questions as to whether Ryder's best position is back, I think we need at least two out of this draft, and preferably good ones.

You look at every top team, they have at least one 'go to' backmen, the guy they can trust to most weeks shut down a forward, or at least minimise the damage. Rutten, Glass, Scarlet, Barry, Cornes, Leppitsch/Michael, Fletcher/Wellman, all the top sides have had at least one.

So if there's someone who might become that player, we shouldn't not pick them just because it would take a high pick.

After the two KP backs, I think we have so many holes you'd take best available. We're still screaming out for a true small forward (I see Lovett/Davey as HFFs, not FPs), with McVeigh & Welsh playing up the ground we need a quality small back, and of course inside midfielders to help out Watson would be nice. On the rucks, I'd be tempted to rookie another one. With Hille/Laycock/Ryder, I don't think its such a priority.

I would go best midfielder this year. Hopefully we will use third round selection for Daniher. adamm Maric is clearly the best small forward in the draft judging by TAC and nationals. Do you select him with second round or take another quality midfielder?

 

[GoDons]

I think a midfielder has to come as our top priority in this draft.

Our defense may be getting old and there are question marks over some of the guys coming through but our midfield is what seems to be in need of fixing first. We've seen the effect of not having class through the midfield in recent years and now's the time to add an immediate, classy young prospect to the mix. Any of Cotchin, Palmer, Masten or Ebert would be excellent additions to our midfield and are much safer options than Rance and at least one of them is likely to be still available come our first pick.

Our second pick should address our lack of small defenders or provide us with a ruckman for developement in my opinion. As it stands now, with Slattery likely to play a tagging role through the midfield next season, we don't have any pure back pocket options other than Mark Johnson without sacrificing other positions. Given the talent of guys like Greenwood and Browne, we could get a handy option. As afr as ruckmen go, Dawson Simpson is a very tempting proposition as, at 207cm tall, he could dominate the taps in a few years.

From there on, I believe we should pick up Darcy Daniher under the father/son rule, the other of the back pocket or ruckman that wasn't acquired with our second pick and possibly another midfielder.

I don't see there being enough quality for any more than 4 picks in this draft.

The other option is going with a ruckman, most likely Ben McEvoy, with our first pick and chasing a midfielder with our second pick. There is a chance than a guy like Selwood could slip and we could punce. This would also give us a chance of picking up Ryan Normington who is a classy midfielder I rate very highly.

 

[GoDons]

I would go best midfielder this year. Hopefully we will use third round selection for Daniher. adamm Maric is clearly the best small forward in the draft judging by TAC and nationals. Do you select him with second round or take another quality midfielder?

I'm not sure Maric will slip to the second round. I imagine Hawthorn are looking at him very closely as he could complement their 3 tall forwards very nicely.

I don't think he's for us anyway. I think Leroy Jetta could provide us with a lot as a crumming forward next season and he should be given full opportunity in that role. Think about getting a small forward in a year or two. It is a good point mentioned above though that Davey and Lovett are not crumming small forwards.

 

[foj1]

I think a midfielder has to come as our top priority in this draft.

Our defense may be getting old and there are question marks over some of the guys coming through but our midfield is what seems to be in need of fixing first. We've seen the effect of not having class through the midfield in recent years and now's the time to add an immediate, classy young prospect to the mix. Any of Cotchin, Palmer, Masten or Ebert would be excellent additions to our midfield and are much safer options than Rance and at least one of them is likely to be still available come our first pick.

Our second pick should address our lack of small defenders or provide us with a ruckman for developement in my opinion. As it stands now, with Slattery likely to play a tagging role through the midfield next season, we don't have any pure back pocket options other than Mark Johnson without sacrificing other positions. Given the talent of guys like Greenwood and Browne, we could get a handy option. As afr as ruckmen go, Dawson Simpson is a very tempting proposition as, at 207cm tall, he could dominate the taps in a few years.

From there on, I believe we should pick up Darcy Daniher under the father/son rule, the other of the back pocket or ruckman that wasn't acquired with our second pick and possibly another midfielder.

I don't see there being enough quality for any more than 4 picks in this draft.

The other option is going with a ruckman, most likely Ben McEvoy, with our first pick and chasing a midfielder with our second pick. There is a chance than a guy like Selwood could slip and we could punce. This would also give us a chance of picking up Ryan Normington who is a classy midfielder I rate very highly.

McEvoy isnt proven as a ruckman. No way risk a first round draft choice for him. One of Masten, Ebert or Palmer in my opinion.

 

[GoDons]

McEvoy isnt proven as a ruckman. No way risk a first round draft choice for him. One of Masten, Ebert or Palmer in my opinion.

It was only an alternative suggestion, I too am against it because it relies too much on a decent midfielder slipping.

I do, however, feel that McEvoy will be just fine as a ruckman but that's just personal opinion and I haven't seen all that much of him.

I think we'll probably get pick 6 at the moment and that would almost guarantee us the opportunity to pick up one of Masten, Ebert or Palmer with Kreuzer, Cotchin and Henderson all likely to join them in the top 6.

 

[Ants]

Well, assuming Carlton lose, Kangaroos beat Wbd, and WCE beat us, we will now have picks #6, #23, #39, #55. That puts us back in the mix for one of the stand out midfielders. If one of Cotchin/Masten/Palmer/Ebert were available, then yes, I'd take him.

But if they aren't, I'd look hard at Rance.

I would go best midfielder this year. Hopefully we will use third round selection for Daniher. adamm Maric is clearly the best small forward in the draft judging by TAC and nationals. Do you select him with second round or take another quality midfielder?

I just think talls take longer. So if you have a deficiency (and boy will we in 2yrs time down back), you should take them a draft before you take the midfielders. Now, I'm not advocating taking a tall back at any cost. If Foj1 you don't rate the talls available at a pick, don't take em.

But we have an awful lot of young midfielders already. We have Hislop/Houli/Jetta/ Lonnergan/Dempsey/Nash/ Slattery/Hocking/Reimers Monfries/Rama (not young but kinda 'new'). Remember, Jetta and Hislop were the 5th and 7th midfielders taken in the super draft. I just feel that we've got a lot of midfield options, they develop faster, so we should concentrate on tall backs.


On the small forward/defender option. I think thats a very viable plan for our 2nd or 4th pick. We need both in my view. But would Maric be available at pick #23?

 

[Smyth94]

Well, assuming Carlton lose, Kangaroos beat Wbd, and WCE beat us, we will now have picks #6, #23, #39, #55. That puts us back in the mix for one of the stand out midfielders. If one of Cotchin/Masten/Palmer/Ebert were available, then yes, I'd take him.

But if they aren't, I'd look hard at Rance.



I just think talls take longer. So if you have a deficiency (and boy will we in 2yrs time down back), you should take them a draft before you take the midfielders. Now, I'm not advocating taking a tall back at any cost. If Foj1 you don't rate the talls available at a pick, don't take em.

But we have an awful lot of young midfielders already. We have Hislop/Houli/Jetta/ Lonnergan/Dempsey/Nash/ Slattery/Hocking/Reimers Monfries/Rama (not young but kinda 'new'). Remember, Jetta and Hislop were the 5th and 7th midfielders taken in the super draft. I just feel that we've got a lot of midfield options, they develop faster, so we should concentrate on tall backs.

On the small forward/defender option. I think thats a very viable plan for our 2nd or 4th pick. We need both in my view. But would Maric be available at pick #23?

Agree completely. We have an abundance of young midfielders, we will see in a few years time how many of them will make it - I'm tipping Hislop, Houli will make it. Dempsey is super quick but his kicking lets him down - needs to rectify it.

Where we struggle however, is our inside midfielders. We absolutely got smashed against Richmond in that department - without Watson and Pev it was really bad. Pev won't be around for too much longer whilst Hislop will still take a season or two to hit his straps.

The way I see it is with our first pick draft the best available - KP, ruck or midfielder it doesn't matter

After that we need to concentrate on our talls as although Ryder and Gumbleton are huge talents we need one or two more quality KP at Essendon - preferably a defender

 

[ant555]

Looks like we will have pick 6 and im reasonably sure that Masten will be available then.

 

[GoDons]

Looks like we will have pick 6 and im reasonably sure that Masten will be available then.

I have a feeling that Carlton, if they have picks 1 and 3, would be keen on with pick 3. There's no midfielder in this draft better equipped to feed the likes of Murphy, Walker and Simpson than Masten and, as it stands at the moment, Carlton lack that type of player even though the return of Nick Stevens will help. I see Masten as a much more appropriate selection than Palmer and Morton and Cotchin will most likely have been taken. I'm not so convicned he's a better option than Ebert but he's more touted.

I can see Melbourne looking to pick up Palmer as he's work well off the feed of McLean and McDonald. Then it's the Bulldogs and they will almost certainly select Lachlan Henderson.

This the top 5 looking something like this:
1: Matt Kreuzer (Carlton)
2: Trent Cotchin (Richmond)
3: Chris Masten (Carlton)
4: Rhys Plamer (Melbourne)
5: Lachlan Henderson (Western Bulldogs)

That leaves us primed to snap up Brad Ebert with pick 6.

If Carlton win on the weekend however, I believe Masten will be available at pick 5 but, to tell you the truth, I'd rather we pick up Ebert.

 

[GoldenboyHird_5]

I have a feeling that Carlton, if they have picks 1 and 3, would be keen on with pick 3. There's no midfielder in this draft better equipped to feed the likes of Murphy, Walker and Simpson than Masten and, as it stands at the moment, Carlton lack that type of player even though the return of Nick Stevens will help. I see Masten as a much more appropriate selection than Palmer and Morton and Cotchin will most likely have been taken. I'm not so convicned he's a better option than Ebert but he's more touted.

I can see Melbourne looking to pick up Palmer as he's work well off the feed of McLean and McDonald. Then it's the Bulldogs and they will almost certainly select Lachlan Henderson.

This the top 5 looking something like this:
1: Matt Kreuzer (Carlton)
2: Trent Cotchin (Richmond)
3: Chris Masten (Carlton)
4: Rhys Plamer (Melbourne)
5: Lachlan Henderson (Western Bulldogs)

That leaves us primed to snap up Brad Ebert with pick 6.

If Carlton win on the weekend however, I believe Masten will be available at pick 5 but, to tell you the truth, I'd rather we pick up Ebert.

Fully agree with all your excellent points
A boy like Ebert is 187-89cm, kicks like a mule and with buckley-esque accuraccy, very god mark overhead like his cousin Brett, good shot for goal, very quick, hard nut, extractor as well, good football pedigree with SA tradition... fits every category we need.

I have a few variations in the first 6 picks

CASE 1
1. Matt Kreuzer (CARL)
2. Rhys Palmer (RICH)
3. Chris Masten (CARL)
4. Ben McEvoy (MELB)
5. Lachlan Henderson (WB)
6. Brad Ebert (ESS)

or if Carlton win on the weekend

CASE 2
1. Matt Kreuzer (RICH)
2. Ben McEvoy (MELB)
3. Chris Masten (CARL)
4. Lachlan Henderson (WB)
5. Brad Ebert (ESS)

CASE 1 leaves the burning question... is Trent Cotchin that good? I'd like ant or anyone to fill us in about young Trent. McEvoy will go to Melbourne because of their need of quality talls.

CASE 2 is very interesting. Would we still go for Ebert or would we go for Cotchin or Palmer. I have serious doubts about Cotchin's lack of pace and Palmer's laziness and frequent relying on extractors to get him the footy i.e. Masten. Would love to get Masten as well but Ebert still the go.

I'd love to see us trade something big for let's say, pick 6 or higher. Hille and McPhee would be ideal

 

[Barts]

Mate, In both scenario's I'd hope we would take Cotchin if he was available

 

[foj1]

Mate, In both scenario's I'd hope we would take Cotchin if he was available

Cotchin will not go past number 3. One of Masten, Palmer or ebert should fall to us. If they were all gone I would go for Myer or rance. I just dont rate McEvoy as highly as others I guess. He is unproven in the ruck and I think more of a tall forward. Things to remember regarding our young midfielders:
Hislop- genuine mid? Houli- not convinced at all Jetta- small fwd
Lonergan- will be lucky to survive cut-couldnt get a game in a shite midfield though Dinosaur Sheeds has done him no favours
Dempsey- doubts on kicking and body Nash- HB in Gilbee mould Slattery- tagger Reimers- more HF than mid Monfries- done very little in midfield in 3 years Hocking- unproven question of class
None of the above you could call genuine classy midfielders imo
Lee, ryder, Neagle, Bradley, Gumbleton and Daniher will be sufficient back up for Michael, Fletcher, Lucas and Lloyd.
I reckon we need footballers who can kick and run both ways all day. Dont reckon we have one player on our list who genuinely fills that criteria.
Stanton- can run but kicking iffy and has a tendency to downhill ski
Watson- run? Kick? can win stoppages
JJ- just about knackered
Dyson- will not run hard when opposition has the ball
Cole- two whoppers a day for young Richard
Peverill- yes averages 25 possessions but turnovers are huge and damages the opposition like a two year olds punch to the belly
Midfield needs continued attention

 

[Ants]

Cotchin will not go past number 3. One of Masten, Palmer or ebert should fall to us. If they were all gone I would go for Myer or rance. I just dont rate McEvoy as highly as others I guess. He is unproven in the ruck and I think more of a tall forward. Things to remember regarding our young midfielders:
Hislop- genuine mid? Houli- not convinced at all Jetta- small fwd
Lonergan- will be lucky to survive cut-couldnt get a game in a shite midfield though Dinosaur Sheeds has done him no favours
Dempsey- doubts on kicking and body Nash- HB in Gilbee mould Slattery- tagger Reimers- more HF than mid Monfries- done very little in midfield in 3 years Hocking- unproven question of class
None of the above you could call genuine classy midfielders imo
Lee, ryder, Neagle, Bradley, Gumbleton and Daniher will be sufficient back up for Michael, Fletcher, Lucas and Lloyd.
I reckon we need footballers who can kick and run both ways all day. Dont reckon we have one player on our list who genuinely fills that criteria.
Stanton- can run but kicking iffy and has a tendency to downhill ski
Watson- run? Kick? can win stoppages
JJ- just about knackered
Dyson- will not run hard when opposition has the ball
Cole- two whoppers a day for young Richard
Peverill- yes averages 25 possessions but turnovers are huge and damages the opposition like a two year olds punch to the belly
Midfield needs continued attention

Sure, there are question marks about the young midfielders. Which is why not a one of them has rising star award, or is being touted as a 'gem/champion/future star' off this board. And a lot of those youngsters can have positive things said about them as well (eg. Lonnergan did get in the bests a lot yet was ignored by Sheedy for a seniors game).

But the same applies to our young talls. They have queries as well.

Down back:
Lee: struggled in the VFL, played 2 games at AFL. Quite a few question marks. Last year when we were screaming out for KP defenders could hardly get a game.
Ryder: looks good, but is he really a defender? Looks more like a natural ruck with his jump, or even a forward.
??????: Thats it. As pure KP defenders go, after those two you're looking at the 1st year rookies or trying to convert a forward. Thats with two 30+ defendes in Fletcher & Michael holding down the backline. Given how long talls take to develop, this is a HUGE problem. Hence, why I suggest taking Darcy + another defender.

Up Forward:
Gumbleton: Looks classy, but hardly proven yet.
Neagle: Injury prone, and little proven. Bottom aged so a little harsh, but you'd hardly put your house on him to become an AFL player.
Bradley: Clearly a forward or nothing, big queries about his ability to make decisions, hit targets and generally perform at an AFL level. I personally think he's good enough, but plenty would disagree with me.
Johns: Same as Bradley.

I'm not really disagreeing the midfield needs attention. But what I am saying is the backline needs it more, and given tall backs take longer and we KNOW we don't have enough (whereas if some of those young midfielders step up we could actually be set), where its 50/50 go the tall back.

Then next year, when we're closer to returning, when its 50/50 go midfielders then. But heh, its your call.

 

[RED AND BLACK SOLDIER]

In and under mid (Masten) or KP (Rance) with our first pick, unless Cotchin drops to our pick (highly unlikely).

 

[SOT4]

Midfield is much more important than defence. If we pass on Palmer,Masten or Ebert for Rance I would be very dissapointed