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^ Amazing photo, you wouldn't expect to see too much aussie rules around that time in that region. Even though I only count 16 players, it's pretty obvious just from the jumpers that this would be an aussie rules side, I wonder what the colours were? Perhaps black with a gold sash?

That is why i wanted it, initially i was astounded when i thought it was actually Illawarra ( wollongong).

Definitely Aussie rules

Probably a few players absent i suppose

$22 was a absolute steal

Hard to tell colours, could be yellow and black
 

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That is why i wanted it, initially i was astounded when i thought it was actually Illawarra ( wollongong).

Definitely Aussie rules

Probably a few players absent i suppose

$22 was a absolute steal

Hard to tell colours, could be yellow and black
This should be about this club:-

1906
Illawarra Club


Mr Weller presided over the adjourned meeting of the recently formed Illawarra Football Club which was held on Thursday Evening. Mr G Hawk (Hon Secretary), submitted the rules compiled by the sub committee, and the same were adopted. Mr S Richardson was elected hon secretary, and a committee of management comprising the following was appointed: Messrs. A Cooper, H Crawford, L Evans, K Louden and S Wilson. The uniform will be dark blue jersey and knickers with blue and white striped stockings. It was stated that the use of the Bexley Cricket Ground had been obtained and the membership amounted to 24 players. The team will play in the NSWAFA. (SMH 9.4.06)

The club wins the 1906 premiership (SMH 10.4.07)

http://footystats.freeservers.com/NSW/Granland06.html

Illawarra or St George?
In 1906-7 a team playing out of Bexley Oval, calling themselves, Illawarra, competed in the competition’s reserve grade. In mid August they held a successful function at the Hurstville Hall where fifty couple enjoyed themselves until 5:00am.

The club had a membership of 42 members and were mentored by George Hawk of Hurstville, the club secretary.

Member clubs of the Reserve Grade (Sydney Football Assn) in 1907 included Illawarra, St Leonards, South Sydney & Sydney

The Illawarra club were travelling so well in 1907 that it was suggested they would apply to compete in first grade come 1908, but didn’t.

https://nswfootballhistory.com.au/other/snippets-of-interest
 
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"Illawarra A. Football Club."
This is an original early photograph mounted behind a cut heavy cardboard mount for framing, showing members of the Illawarra Australian Football Club team, with a ball indicating this was for the 1906 & 1907 seasons. The image is a bit pale but shows decent detail, and names the members of the team and honorary secretary below. I was able to find a report from 1907 for an Australian Rules game between New South Wales and Port Adelaide, with a number of the members of this team playing in the New South Wales team.
Photographer: Not visible, the photographer details may be on the backing card, but it is glued to the front mount.
Date: The football says "I.A.F.C. Premiers 06-07" which will be 1906 - 1907, and this would have been taken in 1907.
https://nswfootballhistory.com.au/game/1907-new-south-wales-v-port-adelaide

This report on the match does contradict the claim that members of the Illawarra team played for New South Wales against Port Adelaide. I presume those words aren't yours by the way, but those of the item seller!

Edit:- Or did they play a second game?
 

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https://nswfootballhistory.com.au/game/1907-new-south-wales-v-port-adelaide

This report on the match does contradict the claim that members of the Illawarra team played for New South Wales against Port Adelaide. I presume those words aren't yours by the way, but those of the item seller!

Edit:- Or did they play a second game?

yes, words of the seller.

I would also note that Hurstville where the secretary is from is the next suburb to Bexley, both in the St George shire, everything i have always associated with the Illawarra has been from Wollongong south to around Batemans Bay or even a bit further North.

But i think in those days Illawarra was also used for South of Sydney .... wiki contradicts itself on this.


Illawarra is a region in the Australian state of New South Wales. It is a coastal region situated immediately south of Sydney and north of the Shoalhaven or South Coast region. It encompasses the cities of Wollongong, Shellharbour, the town of Kiama and the shire of Wingecarribee

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illawarra

Wollongong is not immediately south of Sydney, but St George is.
 
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https://nswfootballhistory.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Index-to-the-Australian-Footballer.pdf

There's plenty of interesting reading to be found here ^, with links to copies of The Australian Footballer from 1907. The June 14 issue includes a report on the NSW vs. Port Adelaide game, won by the home team, which presumably would have been a major shock.

Actually, in 1907, footy was travelling ok in NSW, including Sydney, but the establishment of Rugby League in 1908 caused aussie rules to go into a rapid decline in and around Sydney.

Truthfully, by the time the Swans moved to Sydney in 1982, it was an absolute miracle that the game had survived in Sydney at all, but it had survived, small as it was.
 

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Actually, in 1907, footy was travelling ok in NSW, including Sydney, but the establishment of Rugby League in 1908 caused aussie rules to go into a rapid decline in and around Sydney.

Truthfully, by the time the Swans moved to Sydney in 1982, it was an absolute miracle that the game had survived in Sydney at all, but it had survived, small as it was.

Actually rl caused ru to go into rapid decline. AF simply was left marking time.
Dpending on what side of the fence you sit AF in Sydney was bigger than you think.
The biggest killer was WWI, then WWII with the advent of television, which made the dominant code
more dominant and the pushed the minor codes further into the background.
 

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Couple fo John Coleman photos ....

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wearing number 20 in a practice match, that is actually a pretty good mark from behind

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Probably against Collingwood at probably windy Hill ?, doesn't look like Vic Park to me and i am not familiar with Windy Hill.

$25 each

Anyone got an opinion on photo and price ?

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/JOHN-COL...408378?hash=item4d525e86ba:g:n~4AAOSwUKxYfZ4W
 

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Actually rl caused ru to go into rapid decline. AF simply was left marking time.
Dpending on what side of the fence you sit AF in Sydney was bigger than you think.
The biggest killer was WWI, then WWII with the advent of television, which made the dominant code
more dominant and the pushed the minor codes further into the background.
Sydney hosted the national AF carnival at the Australian Football Ground, Alexandria, which NSWFL OWNED!
As the Carnival was held just after WW1 was declared, the Syd. newspapers obviously concentrated on that momentuous event, and the public focused on the outbreak of war.

The crowds, therefore, were unfortunately much lower than expected -causing major financial problems for the NSWFL.

This caused a major downward spiral in AF's finances in Syd., from which it probably didnt recover for about 100 years (concerning grass roots Syd. football). the NSWFL lost ownership of the AFG soon after 1914, a huge tragedy for AF in Syd.
 

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Working off the jumper dates on footyjumpers.com the photo is from around 1924-27 (most likely 24-25 as by 27 he was skipper).

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It's definitely Collingwood, that's a young Syd Coventry top left.

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My Grandfather is in this photo from 1929 from a Collingwood tour to Tassie, i have an original, but this a Mossgreen one that has been sold.

I have worked out many of the players and officials and Syd Coventry is there i think behind Wal Lee ( second from right ) sitting down.
 

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If it's Brunswick St. Oval for a Fitzroy vs. Collingwood clash then I'd go for 1925, Rd. 5:- http://afltables.com/afl/stats/games/1925/040619250530.html Syd Coventry missed that fixture in 1926. But is that Gordon Coventry sitting on the second row (third from left), as he would need to be there? I'm sure it's Laurie Murphy third from right on the back row, I think Joe Poulter is the tall bloke next to him, Bob Makeham next to S. Coventry, with Harry Saunders and Ernie Wilson the last two sitting on the second row.
 

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If it's Brunswick St. Oval for a Fitzroy vs. Collingwood clash then I'd go for 1925, Rd. 5:- http://afltables.com/afl/stats/games/1925/040619250530.html Syd Coventry missed that fixture in 1926. But is that Gordon Coventry sitting on the second row (third from left), as he would need to be there? I'm sure it's Laurie Murphy third from right on the back row, I think Joe Poulter is the tall bloke next to him, Bob Makeham next to S. Coventry, with Harry Saunders and Ernie Wilson the last two sitting on the second row.

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According to website i just looked at Murphy played for Collinwood between 1921 and 1926
 

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Sitting next to what looks like David Wirrpunda, who is from Victoria and has a definite resemblance to that Aboriginal bloke - could possibly be related.
 

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My Grandfather is in this photo from 1929 from a Collingwood tour to Tassie, i have an original, but this a Mossgreen one that has been sold.

I have worked out many of the players and officials and Syd Coventry is there i think behind Wal Lee ( second from right ) sitting down.

Harry Chesswas is in the second row but sort of directly above the bloke squatting by himself at the front of photo in the light coloured clothing

Jock McHale is holding a hat pointed towards the ground roughly in the middle of the front row.
 

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Here is a report from the Hobart Mercury of 5 October 1929 at page 16 which names most of the team that played in Tasmania in 1929 save 3 changes to the 1929 premiership team.

http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article29136068


Also the Mercury of 4 October 1929 names some players.

http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article29135965


Some Collingwood club officials are named in this report of 12 October 1929 from the Examiner at page 3
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article51625179

A full report of the game with the full named Collingwood team for the game is in the Mercury of 7 October 1929
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article29136204

And a list of Collingwood players AND officials who went on tour from the Examiner of 11 October 1929


http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article51624946

Even better, a contemporary Collingwood team picture from the Examiner of 30 September 1929 with the Collingwood players named prior to the October game.
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article51622532

That should help.
 
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