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It is clear you have no idea what we are doing, in terms of a list rebuild
I think that we all know that you are rebuilding.
In fact, I think it's a good rebuild.
In fact, it's probably in your top 2 rebuilds out of 5 in the last 20 years.
 

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If you can’t use history as a guide how can you analyze anything.
It’s just a guessing game.
The Carlton supporters that are left are the True rusted on. Beaten and broken to the point of purity. They cling on to the lifeboat, adrift in the ocean, bobbing and splashing, every sparkle of stars on the water in the distance a possible ship to rescue. Eventually, they wash up on shore they find a rod and bait, they cast again and again but alas, no big fish, then finally, they carve SOS into the sand and wait for their prayers to be answered.
 

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The Carlton supporters that are left are the True rusted on. Beaten and broken to the point of purity. They cling on to the lifeboat, adrift in the ocean, bobbing and splashing, every sparkle of stars on the water in the distance a possible ship to rescue. Eventually, they wash up on shore they find a rod and bait, they cast again and again but alas, no big fish, then finally, they carve SOS into the sand and wait for their prayers to be answered.
Beautiful. Simply beautiful.
 
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Your research is really poor.
  • Compare Stocker to next year's draftees, not this year
  • Many of the recruits we added were before the current regime
  • Many of the recruits we added were salary dumps for trading in other players
  • The side you listed, most were poor decisions from past regime
If you or any other supporter think we will finish bottom, or 2nd last for that matter, happy to have a wager with anyone of you, $1000K perhaps? ;)
Denial isn't just a river in Egypt.
 

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Would we give up Pick 1 for Rankine?
It really depends on what kind of year he has, if he lights it up and looks like he'll be a superstar then yeah we would. If he get injured or struggles I feel we wait till his contract is up and simply hand over what ever first rounder we have that year, if he signs an extension in the first year and then spuds it up maybe only need a 2nd
 

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Would we give up Pick 1 for Rankine?
Depends. Can we get him for our 2020 and 2021 firsts with a third coming back? If so then, I’d be happy to wait and get him a year later and add an extra pick 1 to the list. If Luko AND Rankine look likely to come home then definitely. Take one with pick 1 2019 and the other with our next 2 firsts. Maybe both in 2019 for pick 1, 19 and our 2020 1st if they tell GC they are leaving at the end of their contracts.

I actually think both Rankine and Luko’s value will have dropped significantly if they aren’t prepared to sign extensions. Part of the value that you place on taking them as draftees is that you might be able to keep a player you would otherwise not be able to attract. Once they say they are leaving, that value diminishes. Not sure if that will be reflected when we try to trade for them though.
 

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EC, you are better than that, basing future outcomes on what has taken place in the past is flawed and you know it

Like me suggesting that your club will continually yo-yo in and out of finals without ever winning a flag

Perhaps take note of where people had sides like North, WC, Pies finishing this year, before the start of the season
Teams that are coming off a 2 win season don't have the luxury of saying that "we could jump upwards". That is not a result you end up with just due to bad luck/external factors, more as a club you've ****** up to the point that you're so far the 8 ball that any jump is simply impossible as you cannot feasibly make up that ground within 1 year. Now if you finished somewhere between 1 and 14, or had been around that mark for a while and dipped for a year, I could be persuaded by that line of rhetoric because the league is even enough that luck/external factors could quite feasibly be the difference between two finals at home and missing it all together. There is a big jump between that group and 15-18 though.

Past performances is usually a solid indicator of what would happen, or at least a solid indicator of when it's time to really panic with a long term plan. Something that if Carlton (and their supporters) had even a shred of honesty about their position, they should be doing because to believe your rebuild is working right now is just baffling.
 

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Methinks the author Sarah Olle has ****** up because she's removed the line that said O'Neill was "in the pipeline" to be picked up by the Roos as an NGA
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/af...y/news-story/cf7eb4f2d0be76a8ab50adf81bcc76a2

Mitch O’Neill is hoping to follow in the same footsteps as his Allies teammate and first-round draft pick, Tarryn Thomas.
And as one of three bottom-agers in the 2018 All-Australian team, the midfielder is poised to do just that.

O’Neill was one of six Academy products to attend a week-long club experience at Arden Street, with the Tasmanian teenagers training alongside AFL stars. It’s just another way North Melbourne is strengthening its relationship with the Apple Isle.

“It’s massive learning from the older boys because they’ve got so much experience and knowledge of the game,” O’Neill told foxfooty.com.au.
 
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Crows trade pick 2 (received from Carlton) and pick 20 (received from GWS) for Rankine and pick 6.

Crows can then go to the draft with pick 6, use pick 6 to trade for one of Harrison Himmelberg or Aaron Francis (both out of contract), or trade for more currency in 2020 to make a play for Lukosius.

Assumptions:
1 - Carlton finish bottom 3 (I have them finishing 17th)
2 - Brisbane climbing a little (I have them finishing 13th)
3 - Gold Coast are not confident in keeping Rankine past 2020, thus are open to trading him in 2019.

Obvious alternative:
Crows go to the draft with pick 2 and select a top end prospect. Dylan Williams, Brodie Kemp, Noah Anderson, Matthew Rowell, Luke Jackson or Sam Flanders all look to be decent talents.
 

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Crows trade pick 2 (received from Carlton) and pick 20 (received from GWS) for Rankine and pick 6.

Crows can then go to the draft with pick 6, use pick 6 to trade for one of Harrison Himmelberg or Aaron Francis (both out of contract), or trade for more currency in 2020 to make a play for Lukosius.

Assumptions:
1 - Carlton finish bottom 3 (I have them finishing 17th)
2 - Brisbane climbing a little (I have them finishing 13th)
3 - Gold Coast are not confident in keeping Rankine past 2020, thus are open to trading him in 2019.

Obvious alternative:
Crows go to the draft with pick 2 and select a top end prospect. Dylan Williams, Brodie Kemp, Noah Anderson, Matthew Rowell, Luke Jackson or Sam Flanders all look to be decent talents.
Take 6 to the draft. Wouldn’t pay 6 for either of those. Maybe HH. Definitely not Francis. But I’d pay it for Orazio.
 

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Methinks the author Sarah Olle has ****** up because she's removed the line that said O'Neill was "in the pipeline" to be picked up by the Roos as an NGA
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/af...y/news-story/cf7eb4f2d0be76a8ab50adf81bcc76a2

Mitch O’Neill is hoping to follow in the same footsteps as his Allies teammate and first-round draft pick, Tarryn Thomas.
And as one of three bottom-agers in the 2018 All-Australian team, the midfielder is poised to do just that.

O’Neill was one of six Academy products to attend a week-long club experience at Arden Street, with the Tasmanian teenagers training alongside AFL stars. It’s just another way North Melbourne is strengthening its relationship with the Apple Isle.

“It’s massive learning from the older boys because they’ve got so much experience and knowledge of the game,” O’Neill told foxfooty.com.au.
Yep Olle made a mistake, giantroo from the NM board replied to her pointing out the mistake

There's no way O'Neill is NM academy eligible
 

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Crows trade pick 2 (received from Carlton) and pick 20 (received from GWS) for Rankine and pick 6.

Crows can then go to the draft with pick 6, use pick 6 to trade for one of Harrison Himmelberg or Aaron Francis (both out of contract), or trade for more currency in 2020 to make a play for Lukosius.

Assumptions:
1 - Carlton finish bottom 3 (I have them finishing 17th)
2 - Brisbane climbing a little (I have them finishing 13th)
3 - Gold Coast are not confident in keeping Rankine past 2020, thus are open to trading him in 2019.

Obvious alternative:
Crows go to the draft with pick 2 and select a top end prospect. Dylan Williams, Brodie Kemp, Noah Anderson, Matthew Rowell, Luke Jackson or Sam Flanders all look to be decent talents.
We're not getting Rankine at the end of next year, so no need to worry about that one. At the end of 2020, maybe, but GC will be utterly desperate to keep him.

I'd definitely be taking Carlton's 1st to the draft, not sure about our two 2nds though, see what comes up (i.e. who requests trades to and from us, there'll no doubt be another player in contract that wants to move)
 

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Take 6 to the draft. Wouldn’t pay 6 for either of those. Maybe HH. Definitely not Francis. But I’d pay it for Orazio.
With his history of soft tissue injuries I certainly wouldn't and given what other "proven" players have brought at the trade table that looks like overs to me..
 

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With his history of soft tissue injuries I certainly wouldn't and given what other "proven" players have brought at the trade table that looks like overs to me..
Yeah. Not considering that and it’s a very fair point. But fit and firing he and Grundy are the two SA players that I’d want to bring back and we will have to pay through the nose to do it.

Luko and Rankine I’d also pay up for at this early stage, but after a season we have to judge them on what they show.
 
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We're not getting Rankine at the end of next year, so no need to worry about that one. At the end of 2020, maybe, but GC will be utterly desperate to keep him.

I'd definitely be taking Carlton's 1st to the draft, not sure about our two 2nds though, see what comes up (i.e. who requests trades to and from us, there'll no doubt be another player in contract that wants to move)
I agree. Although I actually think Gold Coast should prioritise the retention of King and Lukosius first and foremost. IF (emphasis on the hypothetical nature of this discussion) Gold Coast do think it is unlikely that Rankine will stay beyond 2020, it would be silly to completely rule out the attractiveness of having picks 1 and 2 going into the 2019 draft (assuming Gold Coast finish last). Will be interesting to see how it plays out at the end of the year.
 
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