FishingRick04
Brownlow Medallist
I thought we bought him in that capacity
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My point exactly. Marshall isnt established yet
That's why I said in the Maggies game day thread last night or this morning, that maybe the anniversary of his father's death is playing on his mind and is having a compounding effect to go with some poor form. Most games I have seen him play he works hard and makes a big effort. But if his mind is elsewhere then its hard to perform.At the Member's Convention this year in one of the videos, Marshall's workrate at training to chase and follow up to create a goalscoring opportunity was used as an example of the importance of this part of the game. This sort of workrate is being positively reinforced.
So he's not being coached to be lazy.
Sometimes players go out of form and they stop doing the little things that matter. It happens across all sports. Then it clicks and they get back to doing everything that will make them a success.
I agree. This guy deserves a bloody medal for being able to compete as an elite athlete after what he's been through.That's why I said in the Maggies game day thread last night or this morning, that maybe the anniversary of his father's death is playing on his mind and is having a compounding effect to go with some poor form. Most games I have seen him play he works hard and makes a big effort. But if his mind is elsewhere then its hard to perform.
Absolutely agree with you that he has things to work on, just like any kid with a handful of games, but he can work on those areas effectively in the AFL. We don't want/need him to be our Number 1 tall right now. We want him to be developing and that takes trust and consistency, something Hinkley has proven he will not do with KP players. That's why I fear for Marshall under Hinkley.I Don’t disagree, but this is one of Marshall problems, he isn’t playing Tall. He doesn’t make leads into space I50 nearly well enough, drops to many marks and isn’t a contested marking player.
That’s where the comments about them seing him as a general forward comes from. If we want a sting marking target in Dixon’s absence Frampton is ahead of Marshall at this point in time. Billy holds more contested marks and Crashes packs.
Do we remember the job AJ did on McGovern last year at AO ? Stopping tall defenders taking intercept marks isn’t as simple as picking more talks.
Don’t get me wrong, I want Marshall back in the AFL side as soon as possible, but he has things he needs to work on, especially if we want him out #1 (tall) Forward.
Call me old fashioned, but it would be pretty hard to relate to Matthew Nicks, Nathan Bassett and Ken Hinkley as a key forward. Those three know the pitfalls and perils of being a young lad learning the craft...
Listen to Browny on the Couch tonight dissecting the Melbourne forward structure, enough said!Currently why can’t we develop tall, skinny players like Hipwood? Can only think of Westy at the moment who would get a very high pass mark.
It’s also the double standards for talls v smalls that pisses us off with Hinkley. We’ve all seen smalls and flankers get carried through poor form in ports side while talls get dropped ASAP.
This is part of why I won't accept people saying that people need to play at a high level and demand selection before getting a run of games.
Jake Neade 66 games under Hinkley
Kane Mitchell 35 games under Hinkley
Sam Gray 77 games under Hinkley
Nathan Krakouer 29 games under Hinkley
Cam O'Shea 59 games under Hinkley
Andrew Moore 36 games under Hinkley
Aaron Young 64 games under Hinkley
Paul Stewart 36 games under Hinkley
Not all of these guys were total garbage, but every single one of them got more than a decent crack at it during an era where we were playing short up forward and crying out for a key forward.
John Butcher 19 games under Hinkley.
The Marshall criticism is a bit weird, unlike Butcher who had critics from the get go (kicking, couldn't play well with other KPF), Marshall has had universal support.
Until now?
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Marshall has my support. He has the talent. But I do not see why he should be overly carried. He needs to earn and respect his spot.The Marshall criticism is a bit weird, unlike Butcher who had critics from the get go (kicking, couldn't play well with other KPF), Marshall has had universal support.
Until now?
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What is this "disappointing start" that some are going on about? Marshall averaged 8.5 disposals in his two games this year, one where he was poleaxed twice and the other where ALL KPF's struggled in the conditions.I don't think its a lack if support.
I know in my case i just want to see him earn his spot back after a disappointing start.
What is this "disappointing start" that some are going on about? Marshall averaged 8.5 disposals in his two games this year, one where he was poleaxed twice and the other where ALL KPF's struggled in the conditions.
He's taken the same amount of marks as Lycett, in one game less, and has 3 less kicks than Ryder, also in one game less.
Add to that, Marshall has played 12 games for the club and we've won 10 of them.
Get him in.I would be in the Marshall has been disappointing thus far in 2019, but they are some pretty interesting stats! We look so much better when Ryder is at Full Forward, but Marshall in a pocket wouldn’t hurt
There! Dixon is out, and we haven't actually replaced him. We are playing, just like last year, without a #1 target down front.I Don’t disagree, but this is one of Marshall problems, he isn’t playing Tall. He doesn’t make leads into space I50 nearly well enough, drops to many marks and isn’t a contested marking player.
That’s where the comments about them seing him as a general forward comes from. If we want a sting marking target in Dixon’s absence Frampton is ahead of Marshall at this point in time. Billy holds more contested marks and Crashes packs.
Do we remember the job AJ did on McGovern last year at AO ? Stopping tall defenders taking intercept marks isn’t as simple as picking more talks.
Don’t get me wrong, I want Marshall back in the AFL side as soon as possible, but he has things he needs to work on, especially if we want him out #1 (tall) Forward.
There! Dixon is out, and we haven't actually replaced him. We are playing, just like last year, without a #1 target down front.
Ryder is replacing Dixon, which is odd — to say the least. Ryder/Lycett should be our #2 target, with Westhoff/Marshall/Ebert/Watts rotating as #3.
Marshall is not a KPF, and that's fine. If we were willing to proper replace Dixon, we would be playing Frampton.
That's not it. Our structure hasn't changed much without Marshall. Paddy/Lycett have still played as target #1; and Westhoff/Ebert, as #2. I asked who would do Marshall's work as tall (target #3). I suspect that it may have been Connor Rozee.Ken is too pig headed to play Frampton as a key forward until our season is shot for a game or so in the hope he fails so he can look smarter than supporters.
I feel like every second post atm I am banging on about Ken, but seriously, I simply cannot believe he doesn't see that he totally ****** our structure and team balance with his selections against Brisbane. Perhaps he just thought we were much better than Brisbane and we wouldn't need good balnce to beat them?
I am pretty much resigned to seeing Port - No Change tonight too, sigh.....
That’s not how we rollThere! Dixon is out, and we haven't actually replaced him. We are playing, just like last year, without a #1 target down front.
Ryder is replacing Dixon, which is odd — to say the least. Ryder/Lycett should be our #2 target, with Westhoff/Marshall/Ebert/Watts rotating as #3.
Marshall is not a KPF, and that's fine. If we were willing to proper replace Dixon, we would be playing Frampton.
Now, he is.Isn’t Frampton suspended?
He's got a bit of mongrel in him Billy not a bad thing.Now, he is.
There! Dixon is out, and we haven't actually replaced him. We are playing, just like last year, without a #1 target down front.
Ryder is replacing Dixon, which is odd — to say the least. Ryder/Lycett should be our #2 target, with Westhoff/Marshall/Ebert/Watts rotating as #3.
Marshall is not a KPF, and that's fine. If we were willing to proper replace Dixon, we would be playing Frampton.
He is certainly more brawn than brain...He's got a bit of mongrel in him Billy not a bad thing.
Co Cappy Yonas ain't an angel you can't have 22 snags out there.. it'd be a Whateley wet dream.He is certainly more brawn than brain...