Pick 2

[Richter]

Haha no. We have a tagger and Varcoe wouldn't get a kick for Melbourne even on the odd occasion that he is fit.

We need a blue chip midfielder. Doesn't have to be an out and out star but someone who will reliably play games and provide physical support. If we dont get that we should keep the pick.

I agree. Can you name a few examples of players that you might like?

 

[Moist Biscuit]

I'm simply pointing out that Armitage is an example of what Mahoney has said that he wants... "If we could add two to three experience midfielders ... they can come into the side and play alongside the already group of young talent we've got, that would be a successful period for us."

Is that so hard to understand?

If the name Armitage offends you so much, substitute it for Myers, Douglas, Savage... they're all realistic examples of players that you might be able to get.

And of course, if the #2 for 2 former top 10 picks in the 2006/7 drafts example that I gave you is so 'obviously' not in Melbourne's favour, how about weighting it differently?

So would you trade your pick 3 away for Myers from Essendon and there second rounder?

 

[Richter]

We aren't touchy but no one agrees with that trade, why swap pick 2 for a guy that averages around 20 touches over the last two years and pick 22?

Our footy ops manager said that the pick is on the table for the right deal, he didn't say were going to give it away.

It might be highly unlikely to get Sloane or Selwood, if thats the case then we hang onto it and grab Aish.

Fair enough. How about this one....

#2, #22 ,<-------> #3, Armitage

 

[CWaffles]

I'm simply pointing out that Armitage is an example of what Mahoney has said that he wants... "If we could add two to three experience midfielders ... they can come into the side and play alongside the already group of young talent we've got, that would be a successful period for us."

Is that so hard to understand?

If the name Armitage offends you so much, substitute it for Myers, Douglas, Savage... they're all realistic examples of players that you might be able to get.

And of course, if the #2 for 2 former top 10 picks in the 2006/7 drafts example that I gave you is so 'obviously' not in Melbourne's favour, how about weighting it differently?

Why wouldn't we just take Cross for nothing over any of those players, and we can pick up myers for a second rounder.

Get two established mids and keep pick 2.

Surely that is better than us using it on Armitage and pick 22 (on traded for Myers).

 

[Moist Biscuit]

Fair enough. How about this one....

#2, #22 ,<-------> #3, Armitage

No one would trade pick 22 for Armitage, let alone 2 and 22

 

[Richter]

So would you trade your pick 3 away for Myers from Essendon and there second rounder?

For the nth time, it is Melbourne's own Footy Ops manager who has stated he is willing to trade #2 and that he wants to get in some mature mids.

For St Kilda's point of view our needs are for quality mids over hard-working ones. We have no Viney or Toumpas coming through. And over the next few years we'll lose Dal, Lenny and Joey. Hence it is imperative for us that we keep any low draft picks in order to obtain that quality.

That said, we also have an age-gap on our list that means we should as a secondary measure look to stock up with 24/25yo mids. So yes, I do think that someone like Myers ought to be on our radar perhaps even for a downgrade of pick #3 via a 3-way deal that would still net us say #6-10.

Melbourne are in a different situation. Yes they want teenage quality, but they need blue-collar as a greater degree of urgency... partly in order that their current teenage guns are able to be protected enough to develop their updoubted potential.

 

[Richter]

No one would trade pick 22 for Armitage, let alone 2 and 22

Ok... now who's delusional...

 

[Theo X]

It's a realistic way of looking at it. Of course they are looking for such a player, everyone is. But in reality for every Rockcliff, Shuey (#18), Selwood (#7), Selwood (#22) there are players like Armitage (#9), Myers (#6), Masten (#3) or even Hislop (#20), Swift (#20).

In Armitage and Myers (for example's sake traded for with pick #22) Melbourne get with certainty 2 x 100 game+ players to compliment up and comers like Viney, Toumpas and Trengove (himself no star). Or, Aish might turn out like Scully and push off interstate after 2 years because the on-field culture at Melbourne is so poor. It is exactly that on-field culture that Roos and Mahoney are looking to change by trading #2 for two to three mature mid.s.

If we want Armitage and Myers types, we trade pick ~20 and ~21 or so which we get for Sylvia.

 

[Richter]

Why wouldn't we just take Cross for nothing over any of those players, and we can pick up myers for a second rounder.

Get two established mids and keep pick 2.

Surely that is better than us using it on Armitage and pick 22 (on traded for Myers).

I hear you. But Cross probably only has a year left. Someone like Armitage or Myers has another 100+ games in them.

 

[Richter]

If we want Armitage and Myers types, we trade pick ~20 and ~21 or so which we get for Sylvia.

True. Though I don't think that would get Armitage, it likely would Myers.

 

[demoniac]

Any trade for Pick 2 will involve quality not quantity. The right player will be a talented midfielder in their mid to early 20s. The list of players of interest to the Dees is quite small.

If an acceptable trade can not be arranged we will use the pick ourselves.

 

[Scotland]

Big bodied midfielder eh?

You can have Matt Priddis.

 

[Demonheart]

I'm simply pointing out that Armitage is an example of what Mahoney has said that he wants... "If we could add two to three experience midfielders ... they can come into the side and play alongside the already group of young talent we've got, that would be a successful period for us."

Is that so hard to understand?

If the name Armitage offends you so much, substitute it for Myers, Douglas, Savage... they're all realistic examples of players that you might be able to get.

And of course, if the #2 for 2 former top 10 picks in the 2006/7 drafts example that I gave you is so 'obviously' not in Melbourne's favour, how about weighting it differently?

No he isn't, Armitage is nothing what Mahoney said he wanted for pick 2, which is why your example is a poor one.

 

[Demonheart]

Look if you honestly think Armitage and pick 22 will land you James Aish, you need your health checked. The dees would get absolutely reamed in that deal.

He just doesn't get it

 

[CWaffles]

I hear you. But Cross probably only has a year left. Someone like Armitage or Myers has another 100+ games in them.

Cross may have 1 or 2 years, but in that time someone like Aish can learn and develop in that time. I personally cant see Armitage being involved in a trade for our pick 2 whatever way we look at it.

 

[Moist Biscuit]

Ok... now who's delusional...

You. So by your calculations if we trade Tendai Mzungu and pick 16 we could get pick 2?

 

[Moist Biscuit]

He just doesn't get it

I never thought I would be going out to bat for Melbourne in my life haha

 

[Moist Biscuit]

True. Though I don't think that would get Armitage, it likely would Myers.

What? Myers is a far better player then Armitage?

 

[Richter]

No he isn't, Armitage is nothing what Mahoney said he wanted for pick 2, which is why your example is a poor one.

He did say he wants a guy with 8-10 years left in him, so I guess you're right. Trouble will be getting such a player to move.

 

[RedLegs#5]

Over half of Melbourne's list would like to leave, only problem being that none of the other 17 clubs would actually want them! We actually develop our players... But anyway I guess going off the typical Demon fan response I have been fooled yet again and it appears Melbourne are going so well off on and off field. My bad

Good to know you're in with the Melbourne boys. Any other fascinating insights?

 

[Punchy Demons]

Over half of Melbourne's list would like to leave, only problem being that none of the other 17 clubs would actually want them! We actually develop our players... But anyway I guess going off the typical Demon fan response I have been fooled yet again and it appears Melbourne are going so well off on and off field. My bad

You & your dribble again!

Off to bed now young boy!

Remember what happened last time you stayed up too late, you started having nightmares that Paul Roos knocked the lions back as coach & signed with Melbourne!!! Then a lot of your young players said I don't want to play for the lions either & wanted to be traded back to their home state. Mummy then came in & changed your bed sheets because you had wet the bed & told you everything would be ok in the morning!

Morning came & your frightening nightmare had actually happened!

 

[boncer34]

You can have Jetta, Colyer and Pears.

Am I doing it right RedLegs#5 ?

 

[RedLegs#5]

You can have Jetta, Colyer and Pears.

Am I doing it right RedLegs#5 ?

Throw in some hack like Watson and we might have a deal.

 

[boncer34]

Throw in some hack like Watson and we might have a deal.

Don't be absurd.

I was thinking we could throw in our 4th round pick?

Though then maybe you'd have to send Viney our way to.

 

[Kenno27]

Not going to happen but throwing out a hypothetical.

Would Melbourne sway Pick 2 for Beams? Or would that be unders.