Pick 2

[Beats]

Taylor Adams isn't worth pick 2, even with pick 19 on top. And no way are Lyon and Vince worth anything like pick 10.

Would you trade pick 2 for pick 10 and 11? I'd certainly think about it.

 

[PAFC_1870]

I need to move out of Adelaide in trade period... 5AA was dominated with morons (and the hosts) suggesting pick 2 is likely for Vince, LMAO.

FFS, and if they package up 3 spuds, they'll get a gold nougat!

 

[master bate]

I need to move out of Adelaide in trade period... 5AA was dominated with morons (and the hosts) suggesting pick 2 is likely for Vince, LMAO.

FFS, and if they package up 3 spuds, they'll get a gold nougat!

Don't move to Victoria it doesn't get any better.

 

[PAFC_1870]

Don't move to Victoria it doesn't get any better.

Atleast your chief football writer didn't propose pick 2 is worth Vince and Henderson...

 

[master bate]

Taylor Adams and pick 19 (from gws) to pies
pick 2 (from melb) to gws
pick 10 and 11 (from pies) to dees

Dees will then send pick 10 to crows for Lyon and Vince

GWS would win that massively I'd say.

For me Adams was draft pick 13, he's done that no harm but he's also shown he's unlikely to be a superstar, which means his current value is approximately pick 10.

Collingwood then trade pick 10 and 11 for Adams (value pick 10) and 19. They aren't winning. GWS take the win in that 3 way trade.

Then the next step I think is in Adelaide's favour. Bernie Vince is probably worth about pick 20 at best. Lyons is promising but not sure he's worth more than pick 25 or 30. A combination of those two doesn't usually get you into pick 10.

I'd be more inclined to give up our second round 20 and a pick upgrade of third round picks (approximately pick 40 ours to Adelaides pick 46 or whatever it is) as fair compensation for Vince and Lyons .

 

[Andy_Mac]

Taylor Adams and pick 19 (from gws) to pies
pick 2 (from melb) to gws
pick 10 and 11 (from pies) to dees

Dees will then send pick 10 to crows for Lyon and Vince

Would think

GWS trade Adams and P9
Collingwood trade P10 and P11
Melbourne trade P2 and P20

GWS gain P2
Collingwood gain Adams and P20
Melbourne gain P9, 10 and 11

 

[Gysberts2Bate]

Would think

GWS trade Adams and P9
Collingwood trade P10 and P11
Melbourne trade P2 and P20

GWS gain P2
Collingwood gain Adams and P20
Melbourne gain P9, 10 and 11

Dees then draft Sheed, Crouch and Freeman. Massive win for us. Or we trade it (hopefully sensibly).

 

[Andy_Mac]

Sorry to ruin it for u guys. But we have 0 chance of trading 10,11 for 2 and a pick like 20. Te best melbourne would get is stk pick 18 and 19 assuming they get the pick from hawthorn or pick 9+ gws second rounder

No worries. Happy with P2. Also hope a deal gets done for Adams. I'd hate to see him enter the PSD

 

[maverick001]

You want to hear what Nick Robertson did when GWS came to his house to interview him....

Yes I do
So GWS came all the way over here for him to tell them he doesn't want to play for them? Why bother with the trip

 

[Yelle]

Taylor Adams and pick 19 (from gws) to pies
pick 2 (from melb) to gws
pick 10 and 11 (from pies) to dees

Dees will then send pick 10 to crows for Lyon and Vince

 

[Yelle]

How did Collingwood all of a sudden get pick 11? Have I missed something?

 

[maverick001]

I dunno, what would you say is the value difference between picks 1 and 2 this year? It's more than it is most years, but it's not infinitely large. I was valuing Witts roughly as a mid/late first rounder himself, which I see as more than the dif between 1 & 2, so gave us an upgrade from 27 to 20 as steak knives. Which parts specifically do you think don't add up?

I don't rate Witts very highly, don't think he finds enough of the ball. So I wouldn't value him nearly as high as you do. Therefore I don't think he is worth the downgrade from 1 to 2 and 20 to 27, given the difference between Boyd and whoever goes at 2.
With a few teams desperate for tall forwards I think GWS would like to draft Boyd and then let the offers flow in over the next 2 years for one of him or Patton

 

[maverick001]

I don't rate Witts very highly, don't think he finds enough of the ball. So I wouldn't value him nearly as high as you do. Therefore I don't think he is worth the downgrade from 1 to 2 and 20 to 27, given the difference between Boyd and whoever goes at 2.
With a few teams desperate for tall forwards I think GWS would like to draft Boyd and then let the offers flow in over the next 2 years for one of him or Patton

And also it seems there will be some pretty good talent left at 20, but at 27 the quality has dropped off quite a bit

 

[Bluelegs]

How did Collingwood all of a sudden get pick 11? Have I missed something?

Dale Thomas compo

 

[Mego Red]

It drives me crazy those Journos. Let's just pretend we were super keen on Vince, Henderson and Mckernon (because we need just a few more 3rd tall forwards or something).

Why would we swap them for pick 2 when we could just get them individually for pick 20, compo pick and a rookie pick for the last guy or whatever. You'd want a bit more, we want a bit less but that would be around the Mark (again, this is if we actually wanted those particular players).

Sure draft picks can be overrated but why would we trade pick 2(!) when we can trade 20ish, 21ish and some scraps.

As much as I think you SHOULD try to get multiple players for that pick, this does make sense.

I won't comment on whether the Crows deal is good value (other than to say it should be another mid instead of McKernan), but with Melbourne's issues, getting three first 22 players with that pick would be transformational.

 

[Gysberts2Bate]

As much as I think you SHOULD try to get multiple players for that pick, this does make sense.

I won't comment on whether the Crows deal is good value (other than to say it should be another mid instead of McKernan), but with Melbourne's issues, getting three first 22 players with that pick would be transformational.

McKernan played less than 10 games this season, and Henderson played 15. Neither are the kind of player we need. Vince is 28 or 29. I doubt the influence he would have over the next 2 or 3 years would be more significant than what Aish/Kelly could have over the next 12 years.

 

[Joel colooch]

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Would think

GWS trade Adams and P9
Collingwood trade P10 and P11
Melbourne trade P2 and P20

GWS gain P2
Collingwood gain Adams and P20
Melbourne gain P9, 10 and 11

why would the pies trade 2 first rd picks for Adams and pick 20, can't see that happening I think shaw for Adams straight swap is more realistic, besides gws are after experienced players why would they want pick 2!

 

[Rise_up_Stiffy]

there is absolutely ZERO chance of the Crows getting this pick without trading Rory Sloane.

 

[slowedawg]

there is absolutely ZERO chance of the Crows getting this pick without trading Rory Sloane.

Or Dangerfield/Crouch, which, obviously won't be given up. You might pry a second rounder out of us for Vince, but you'd think Roos & his team will be relatively steadfast that they want someone in that <24 age bracket for pick 2 and that is it. Packages of average players for pick 2, while in the short term might help us improve, long term, will not.

 

[King Elvis]

But who would trade a proven gun to gamble on a potential gun?

 

[PAFC_1870]

But who would trade a proven gun to gamble on a potential gun?

No one, hence why it's never done.

UNLESS that gun said he wanted to go. Which isn't the case.

 

[Gysberts2Bate]

But who would trade a proven gun to gamble on a potential gun?

No one, unless they wanted out and there was a threat of losing them to FA/when their contract ran out.

 

[Blackas87]

Melbourne/Roos situation is a little unique though.

How is it different from any other team having pick 2 before?

 

[Bluelegs]

Or Dangerfield/Crouch, which, obviously won't be given up. You might pry a second rounder out of us for Vince, but you'd think Roos & his team will be relatively steadfast that they want someone in that <24 age bracket for pick 2 and that is it. Packages of average players for pick 2, while in the short term might help us improve, long term, will not.

Vince and Sylvia are virtually worth the same, only difference is Vince is contracted but if he doesn't want to be at adelaide or Adelaide want to open up cap room then its unlikely they will get more than Sylvia compo if a trade goes through.

 

[Mego Red]

How is it different from any other team having pick 2 before?

Is that a serious question?

I'd say the obvious reason is Roos only staying for 2-3 years, and being disinterested in players who won't contribute to an immediate improvement. He has an overblown legacy to consider.