Pick 2

[master bate]

Ok Croad was shit but Mcpharlin is probably our best ever defender.

I'm saying the quality of the two players you got for pick 1 was actually very good. If you were half the club back then that you are now you would've slotted those two in and had the best backline in the league for a long stretch. It obviously didn't work out great and now you seem the losers of that deal. So Melbourne are trading pick 2 it makes sense that clubs offer up a player of at least some quality. It's just with FA and expansion of the game it's looking hard to find a midfielder in that 21-24 year old age bracket who's out of contract and a club willing to deal.

 

[philthy05]

pick 2 is probably overpaying for gaff but if melb could get gaff + a first 22 player (from wc or from a 3rd party) its not a bad move for a team that just needs to get good mids in tommorow.

 

[philthy05]

melbs best bet would be with west coast. if their vic players like shuey , selwood and gaff want to stay i think wc would hand them a pen , but if they are making noise about maybe heading back its a win /win for wc / melb. would have to get the player on board joining melb though.

 

[sr36]

The Adelaide combination is much better of Douglas, Kerridge and Mackay. You didn't offer a true midfielder in any of that lot really, Blair would be a nice player for work rate, Shaw would be handy but he's only got 4 good years left if we are lucky and Goldsack wouldn't improve us much.

Agree with most of that, except that Goldsack's workrate and second and third efforts (second to none in the league in terms of intensity) would be massive for Melbourne in regards to player development, and setting an example. My Pies trio would offer you more in terms of genuine competitiveness and aggression, which is the Dees biggest need. Sure, a mid sceond round pick on top is not enough, but expect the Pies wouldn't be willing to offer this trio with pick 10. Then again I've got no idea, because I don't know the difference in talent between the likely pick 2 and the likely pick 10.

 

[cammo78]

Trying to think of what we could package with pick 4. A Nathan Hrovat/Lachie Hunter type would possibly get it done - but based on exposed form, could be overs in achieving a two-pick upgrade.

Both have shown they are likely to be 200 game players.

We don't have much in the way of mids we'd want to lose.

 

[juss]

Just heard Josh Mahoney on trade radio saying that pick 2 was "highly likely" (thanks Damian Barrett) to be traded. Given that the Crows want to get back into the first round of the draft, what would we have to give up to get that?

What are people's thoughts on trading Henderson, Douglas, Kerridge and Mackay (or combination of) back to Vic for pick 2? IMO, I think only Douglas is a best 22 player and I'd rather an 18 year old Scharenberg/Aish/Matt Crouch than a 26 year old Douglas and Henderson. We also need one more gun midfielder to push for a flag and pick 2 would deliver us this.

Well there's your answer mate. One best 22 player + some of your fringe players doesn't equal pick 2.

By that logic I could offer Bachar Houli + Luke McGuane + Matt White + Ben Griffiths for pick 2.

Pick 2 is going to take something significant to get there. Since the Crows don't have any first rounders to throw into the deal it'd be a Dangerfield or Taylor Walker type player to get you that pick.

 

[UpForGrabs]

melbs best bet would be with west coast. if their vic players like shuey , selwood and gaff want to stay i think wc would hand them a pen , but if they are making noise about maybe heading back its a win /win for wc / melb. would have to get the player on board joining melb though.

WC have done this. Repeatedly.

Shuey still had a year to run on his contract last year and he extended for a further two seasons.

Gaff is signed until the end of next season.

Scott Selwood signed in 2012 for a further three seasons.

 

[master bate]

Agree with most of that, except that Goldsack's workrate and second and third efforts (second to none in the league in terms of intensity) would be massive for Melbourne in regards to player development, and setting an example. My Pies trio would offer you more in terms of genuine competitiveness and aggression, which is the Dees biggest need. Sure, a mid sceond round pick on top is not enough, but expect the Pies wouldn't be willing to offer this trio with pick 10. Then again I've got no idea, because I don't know the difference in talent between the likely pick 2 and the likely pick 10.

I'd do it with pick 10 because I'm yet to here recruiters rave about a specific top 5 over 5 to 10. Seems very much Boyd then steps down for the next 10 at least. But the pies wouldn't give so much I think.

Goldsack is injured a lot and we have tall defenders and a gun medium in Garland and even a spud like Dunn who can play some decent games. Taking on any other player besides a midfielder really just means more competition at spots where we should be ok. It will help intensity as you mentioned but I'm counting on Roos sorting that out. What I'm not sure he can fix is the midfield talent which is where we are last in the comp. It's why I want us to avoid Shaw at all costs because he'd only be a stop gap and would get very frustrated playing in a backline with our midfield.

As for leadership and development if the following guys get on the park - Grimes, Viney, Jones, Trengove, McKenzie, Dawes, McDonald, Clark, Terlich, Frawley and Garland then we have a majority who work hard and go at the ball hard. So I'm not convinced we need to trade talent for pure worker types. 3rd round pick for Levi Greenwood is what I see as the smarter way to go for that.

 

[philthy05]

my point was if they are keen to stay wc wont have any interest in that pick 2 but if wc have any suspicions that any of the lot may want to head home they would be very interested in sending them to melb for that pick.

 

[master bate]

Well there's your answer mate. One best 22 player + some of your fringe players doesn't equal pick 2.

By that logic I could offer Bachar Houli + Luke McGuane + Matt White + Ben Griffiths for pick 2.

Pick 2 is going to take something significant to get there. Since the Crows don't have any first rounders to throw into the deal it'd be a Dangerfield or Taylor Walker type player to get you that pick.

I know the crows don't have a first rounder but if they do I'd take the deal. It would be crows 1st rounder, plus Douglas (first rounder), Kerridge (worth a second rounder), MacKay (2nd or 3rd rounder). That would add up to me. Unfortunately they dont.

Remember Douglas is a B+F winning midfielder. That's exactly what we need for instant impact that also benefits the rest of the midfield. Anyway Adelaide are a club who have some midfield depth with the likes of Lyons, Kerridge, Grigg, Adian Riley all showing something this year. To go with Thompson, Vince, Van Berlo, McKay, Dangerfield, Sloane and Crouch it's going to be tight for games. Just not sure pick 2 gets involved in any of the deals if any of those guys could be lured to Melbourne

 

[tigs2010]

in b4 fringe player and a 2nd rounder

Nahas and 2nd rounder been suggested yet?

 

[sr36]

I'd do it with pick 10 because I'm yet to here recruiters rave about a specific top 5 over 5 to 10. Seems very much Boyd then steps down for the next 10 at least. But the pies wouldn't give so much I think.

Goldsack is injured a lot and we have tall defenders and a gun medium in Garland and even a spud like Dunn who can play some decent games. Taking on any other player besides a midfielder really just means more competition at spots where we should be ok. It will help intensity as you mentioned but I'm counting on Roos sorting that out. What I'm not sure he can fix is the midfield talent which is where we are last in the comp. It's why I want us to avoid Shaw at all costs because he'd only be a stop gap and would get very frustrated playing in a backline with our midfield.

As for leadership and development if the following guys get on the park - Grimes, Viney, Jones, Trengove, McKenzie, Dawes, McDonald, Clark, Terlich, Frawley and Garland then we have a majority who work hard and go at the ball hard. So I'm not convinced we need to trade talent for pure worker types. 3rd round pick for Levi Greenwood is what I see as the smarter way to go for that.

Good calls all round. I reckon that your best bet is to pick up a couple of solid senior meat and potato types by downgrading your 2nd and 3rd round picks. And only trade pick 2 for 2 quality players or for one quality player and a first round draft pick.

 

[Davo-27]

for pick 2 Melbourne with Paul Roos a main negotiator on Melb's side, I would think they would want a solid senior player(possibly top 10 at a club) or a package of 2-3 (10-25 range)players they could add to the club for pick 2

for example they'd want a (grant birchall) or (Whitecross,Simpkin) for an example for Hawthorn, which is unrealistic for us, but that's the kind've calibre other clubs will prob offer for pick 2 I would guess...

 

[Masto]

Think it will be Luke Shuey (WCE) and Pick 6 for Melbourne's Pick 2.

No its Shuey + Gaff + Pick 6 for pick 2.

 

[Barry_Badrinath]

Just heard Josh Mahoney on trade radio saying that pick 2 was "highly likely" (thanks Damian Barrett) to be traded. Given that the Crows want to get back into the first round of the draft, what would we have to give up to get that?

What are people's thoughts on trading Henderson, Douglas, Kerridge and Mackay (or combination of) back to Vic for pick 2? IMO, I think only Douglas is a best 22 player and I'd rather an 18 year old Scharenberg/Aish/Matt Crouch than a 26 year old Douglas and Henderson. We also need one more gun midfielder to push for a flag and pick 2 would deliver us this.

No chance.

Richmond are offering Nahas, Derickx, McGuane, White and a 4th rounder. You'll have to top that.

 

[syl]

It's pick 2 for scooter. Sorry weagles!

 

[Masto]

It's pick 2 for scooter. Sorry weagles!

We haven't got a coach but the decision has already been made

 

[Praetorian]

No chance.

Richmond are offering Nahas, Derickx, McGuane, White and a 4th rounder. You'll have to top that.

a bit overs, we'll throw in Sellar and Gillies to get it over the line

 

[Furn2]

Wont happen. Teams dont give up players good enough to get these picks unless they walk out Judd style and even then its unlikely.

Feel free to offer a once good veteran, a fringe player, and a youngster your about to delist along with a pick in the 20s.

edit.

HAHA there you go. I swear i wrote the above before i saw that offer.

Shaw, Blair, Goldsack and 2nd rounder? Melbourne get an instant injection of 3 hard experienced competitiors to turn around their insipidness.

 

[Furn2]

Ok Croad was shit but Mcpharlin is probably our best ever defender.

You could have got Mcpharlin for nothing in the psd though. He was always leaving and thrown in to make it easier on him.

 

[DeeWong6996]

No its Shuey + Gaff + Pick 6 for pick 2.

Can we get Selwood aswell?

 

[Richter]

Savage and our first rounder wouldn't do it. Suckling and our first rounder wouldn't either. They are all I would offer

Either of those players and BOTH your first rounders* probably would though.

*Subject to Buddy compo.

 

[tigs2010]

No its Shuey + Gaff + Pick 6 for pick 2.

Why you leave our Nic Nat?

 

[PenAndPaper]

Either of those players and BOTH your first rounders* probably would though.

*Subject to Buddy compo.

Savage and those two picks for pick two and an upgrade of a second rounder and i'd be happy

 

[Richter]

Armitage and #23 for pick 2?