Pick 2

[FFS Kick it]

Problem is Bigfooty believe draft picks are the golden goose. Pick 2 must be worth a gun player. Question is why would a team trade an established gun player for a player who might become a gun player. Doesn't make sense. The Demons should hang on to all their draft picks, draft midfielders only, and maybe get another via FA or PSD. Depth is needed in the midfield, which the demons do not as yet have.

regards FFS

 

[Jugga]

Would you think Varcoe, Taylor Hunt and our first round draft pick 16, for this pick 2 plus swap our second rounds.

 

[Moist Biscuit]

Ok, apart from posting some derisory pic which IMO reflects more on your own dickheadedness than anything else, care to explain why that suggestion is so laughable?



Pick 2 for Armitage and #22. Then send #22 to Essendon for David Myers.

Armitage a former pick 9 (2006 draft) who is 25. In 2013 averaged top 20 for tackles per game (just above David Mundy).
Myers a former pick 6 (2007 draft) who is 24 and about to enter his prime.

Would seem to almost exactly match the criteria set out above by Mahoney.

Pick 22 and an Average underachiever for pick 2.

 

[master bate]

Would you think Varcoe, Taylor Hunt and our first round draft pick 16, for this pick 2 plus swap our second rounds.

Haha no. We have a tagger and Varcoe wouldn't get a kick for Melbourne even on the odd occasion that he is fit.

We need a blue chip midfielder. Doesn't have to be an out and out star but someone who will reliably play games and provide physical support. If we dont get that we should keep the pick.

 

[Chris_6678]

Brad Shep for pick 2

 

[The Bomb]

Adelaide like Aish, Sloane is gettable for the right price imo.

Sloane is not leaving Adelaide, it is a joke his name has even been thrown up - Adelaides list manager.

 

[Richter]

Pick 22 and an Average underachiever for pick 2.

Fair enough, is your opinion. However, I think you're harsh on Armitage. Sure he isn't in line for an AA, but he'll likely end up a 150-200 game player. And overall you clearly overrate pick 2. For every Trent Cotchin there is a Scott Gumbleton.

Pick 2s since 2000 - Kosi, Ball, Wells, Walker, Roughead, Thomas, Gumbleton, Cotchin, NicNat, Trengove, Bennell, Coniglio, O'Rourke

Armitage + #22 > Kosi, Ball, Walker, Gumbleton, Trengove (too early to tell on last 3)

Obviously though Wells, Roughead, Thomas, Cotchin, NicNat, Bennell > Armo + #22

 

[Deanos]

a bit overs, we'll throw in Sellar and Gillies to get it over the line

We are feeling Generous, we will let you keep Sellar and Gillies.

 

[Deanos]

I thought I did top that

We topped you cause we let them keep Sellar and Gillies as well.

 

[Moist Biscuit]

Fair enough, is your opinion. However, I think you're harsh on Armitage. Sure he isn't in line for an AA, but he'll likely end up a 150-200 game player. And overall you clearly overrate pick 2. For every Trent Cotchin there is a Scott Gumbleton.

Pick 2s since 2000 - Kosi, Ball, Wells, Walker, Roughead, Thomas, Gumbleton, Cotchin, NicNat, Trengove, Bennell, Coniglio, O'Rourke

Armitage + #22 > Kosi, Ball, Walker, Gumbleton, Trengove (too early to tell on last 3)

Obviously though Wells, Roughead, Thomas, Cotchin, NicNat, Bennell > Armo + #22

That's a bad way to look at it, this years likely pick 2 is James Aish. Played a big part in norwoods grand final win last year as a 16 year old in the Sanfl. Melbourne have a chance of recruiting Aish and would be stupid to trade him for a player like Armitage and pick 22. They are looking for a Rockcliff, Shuey, Selwood type player who will be an Elite midfielder in the future.

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Cotchin,Deledio,Martin,Jack,Rance,Jackson,Ivan,Vlas,Ellis,Vickery,Edwards x2,Chaplin,Morris,Grigg,Newman for Pick 2.

 

[Deanos]

All depends on how your recruiters rate the draft, they may feel its fairly even after pick 1, if they do a top 10 pick and a quality player might seal the deal, and I don't buy the Mahoney line they only want a mid, fact is they need help all over the park.

They actually don't their forward line is fine, Mitch Clark, Chris Dawes, Jesse Hogan, Jeremy Howe.

 

[Theo X]

Cotchin,Deledio,Martin,Jack,Rance,Jackson,Ivan,Vlas,Ellis,Vickery,Edwards x2,Chaplin,Morris,Grigg,Newman for Pick 2.

No deal: don't want Vickery.

 

[Bluelegs]

Sloane is not leaving Adelaide, it is a joke his name has even been thrown up - Adelaides list manager.

Touchy list manager.

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

No deal: don't want Vickery.

Righto,Just don't ask for Mcguane or Nahas.

 

[Demonheart]

Fair enough, is your opinion. However, I think you're harsh on Armitage. Sure he isn't in line for an AA, but he'll likely end up a 150-200 game player. And overall you clearly overrate pick 2. For every Trent Cotchin there is a Scott Gumbleton.

Pick 2s since 2000 - Kosi, Ball, Wells, Walker, Roughead, Thomas, Gumbleton, Cotchin, NicNat, Trengove, Bennell, Coniglio, O'Rourke

Armitage + #22 > Kosi, Ball, Walker, Gumbleton, Trengove (too early to tell on last 3)

Obviously though Wells, Roughead, Thomas, Cotchin, NicNat, Bennell > Armo + #22

If armitage is so good then keep him.

Everyone's happy.

It's been a pleasure doing business with you

 

[Richter]

That's a bad way to look at it, this years likely pick 2 is James Aish. Played a big part in norwoods grand final win last year as a 16 year old in the Sanfl. Melbourne have a chance of recruiting Aish and would be stupid to trade him for a player like Armitage and pick 22. They are looking for a Rockcliff, Shuey, Selwood type player who will be an Elite midfielder in the future.

It's a realistic way of looking at it. Of course they are looking for such a player, everyone is. But in reality for every Rockcliff, Shuey (#18), Selwood (#7), Selwood (#22) there are players like Armitage (#9), Myers (#6), Masten (#3) or even Hislop (#20), Swift (#20).

In Armitage and Myers (for example's sake traded for with pick #22) Melbourne get with certainty 2 x 100 game+ players to compliment up and comers like Viney, Toumpas and Trengove (himself no star). Or, Aish might turn out like Scully and push off interstate after 2 years because the on-field culture at Melbourne is so poor. It is exactly that on-field culture that Roos and Mahoney are looking to change by trading #2 for two to three mature mid.s.

 

[Richter]

If armitage is so good then keep him.

Everyone's happy.

It's been a pleasure doing business with you

Boy, there are some touchy people on this thread.

It's YOUR footy ops manager who says he wants to trade #2 for mature hard-bodied mids. If he thinks he can get Sloane or Selwood, then of course he should use #2 to target those players. Back in the real world that would seem highly unlikely so he may want to try to get a B grade mid from elsewhere as well as a downgraded pick....

Although given the Demon's efforts at trading last year I'm not surprised that you might be nervous about any trades that your club might do.

 

[Demonheart]

Boy, there are some touchy people on this thread.

It's YOUR footy ops manager who says he wants to trade #2 for mature hard-bodied mids. If he thinks he can get Sloane or Selwood, then of course he should use #2 to target those players. Back in the real world that would seem highly unlikely so he may want to try to get a B grade mid from elsewhere as well as a downgraded pick....

Although given the Demon's efforts at trading last year I'm not surprised that you might be nervous about any trades that your club might do.

Wow, you call us touchy. What I find hilarious is watching you trying to demonstrate that Armitage is worth more than pick 2 even though it's obvius for everyone to see that you'd love this trade to go through. The trade would greatly favourthe saints, everyone can see it but you.

Good luck with that, or you can come back and post some more bay 13 level of crud like you just did

 

[Richter]

Problem is Bigfooty believe draft picks are the golden goose. Pick 2 must be worth a gun player. Question is why would a team trade an established gun player for a player who might become a gun player. Doesn't make sense. The Demons should hang on to all their draft picks, draft midfielders only, and maybe get another via FA or PSD. Depth is needed in the midfield, which the demons do not as yet have.

regards FFS

Exactly. Which is why clubs will only put up at best B grade players for trades, even for high picks like #2. Melbourne might be better to look to downgrade their #2 to a mid round 1 pick and aim to pick up a B/C grade mature mid as a by-product. Or not bother!

 

[CWaffles]

Boy, there are some touchy people on this thread.

It's YOUR footy ops manager who says he wants to trade #2 for mature hard-bodied mids. If he thinks he can get Sloane or Selwood, then of course he should use #2 to target those players. Back in the real world that would seem highly unlikely so he may want to try to get a B grade mid from elsewhere as well as a downgraded pick....

Although given the Demon's efforts at trading last year I'm not surprised that you might be nervous about any trades that your club might do.

We aren't touchy but no one agrees with that trade, why swap pick 2 for a guy that averages around 20 touches over the last two years and pick 22?

Our footy ops manager said that the pick is on the table for the right deal, he didn't say were going to give it away.

It might be highly unlikely to get Sloane or Selwood, if thats the case then we hang onto it and grab Aish.

 

[GoldenEagle]

It's a realistic way of looking at it. Of course they are looking for such a player, everyone is. But in reality for every Rockcliff, Shuey (#18), Selwood (#7), Selwood (#22) there are players like Armitage (#9), Myers (#6), Masten (#3) or even Hislop (#20), Swift (#20).

In Armitage and Myers (for example's sake traded for with pick #22) Melbourne get with certainty 2 x 100 game+ players to compliment up and comers like Viney, Toumpas and Trengove (himself no star). Or, Aish might turn out like Scully and push off interstate after 2 years because the on-field culture at Melbourne is so poor. It is exactly that on-field culture that Roos and Mahoney are looking to change by trading #2 for two to three mature mid.s.

Don't put Masten in that Category. He's coming good he's making our Judd Trade look better him and JK. Feel free to add Palmer to your list.

 

[GoldenEagle]

Pick 2 for Pick 6 and Morton (we fixed him for you)

 

[Richter]

Wow, you call us touchy. What I find hilarious is watching you trying to demonstrate that Armitage is worth more than pick 2 even though it's obvius for everyone to see that you'd love this trade to go through. The trade would greatly favourthe saints, everyone can see it but you.

Good luck with that, or you can come back and post some more bay 13 level of crud like you just did

I'm simply pointing out that Armitage is an example of what Mahoney has said that he wants... "If we could add two to three experience midfielders ... they can come into the side and play alongside the already group of young talent we've got, that would be a successful period for us."

Is that so hard to understand?

If the name Armitage offends you so much, substitute it for Myers, Douglas, Savage... they're all realistic examples of players that you might be able to get.

And of course, if the #2 for 2 former top 10 picks in the 2006/7 drafts example that I gave you is so 'obviously' not in Melbourne's favour, how about weighting it differently?

 

[Moist Biscuit]

Boy, there are some touchy people on this thread.

It's YOUR footy ops manager who says he wants to trade #2 for mature hard-bodied mids. If he thinks he can get Sloane or Selwood, then of course he should use #2 to target those players. Back in the real world that would seem highly unlikely so he may want to try to get a B grade mid from elsewhere as well as a downgraded pick....

Although given the Demon's efforts at trading last year I'm not surprised that you might be nervous about any trades that your club might do.

Look if you honestly think Armitage and pick 22 will land you James Aish, you need your health checked. The dees would get absolutely reamed in that deal.