Pick 2

[geelong_crazy26]

Mooney. Pod sort of.

to an extent, mooney was very young and had no runs to his name at that stage, podsiadly we didnt trade for we rookie drafted him

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Ottens?

pretty much it really

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Premierships are won at the draft table and with the infusion of good astute trades when it counts.

Sydney - say no more.
Hawthorn - had 5>6 players from trades play a massive role.
Eagles - topped up with Stenglien and Chick when it mattered.
Collingwood 2010 - Ball, Jolly, Brown
Brisbane 2003 - A Lynch, Mal Michael, M Pike, B Caracella

I did note however that Geelong was devoid of any traded in talent for its last 3 flags which is interesting and where you have built your view on this matter. Great drafting and developing by the Cats.

cant say i think too differently to be honest, draft excellent, build up the core of your premiership side via the draft, get your cream players that way, and then trade to fill some holes or gaps that need to be addressed.

if you try and build a team via trading, your not going to be too successful

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Based on Melbourne's recent history with low draft picks I wouldn't be surprised at all if they traded 2 for a known quantity that they could contract immediately for A 4 year deal.

Melbourne also need quality experienced players who can make an impact straight away and for Roos to sell hope with actual on field improvement next season not 2 or 3 years away.

i dont think it was the players they picked, any other side would have drafted watts and trengove those spots, draft pick one and two is usually a no brainer and lock in, just the position the club has been in since they arrived. trengove and watts could still become very good players, we will come back to answer that when they are 25 years old

i dont think it helped very much the fact they had a terrible senior coach in neeld either

 

[loki04]

Delusional - is that why Hawthorn traded their first round pick last year for Lake.

A developed player > a early pick every day of the week. How many top 10 picks have Melbourne had recently? They have been doing really well recently aren't they?

Give me a break, the best a early pick gets you is a developed player of 4-6 years in the system who potentially will break out.
An IF he agrees to go to the basket case of a club like Melbourne with a likely hood of not being competitive for a flag until 4 years.

It gets back to do you want to win the flag here and now or do you potentially want to win one in 5 years if they even live up to the hype.

Top draft picks are great and all but just as many low picks have turned into better players then those who were top 10.

 

[loki04]

He's required at Essendon. I can see Sidebottom for pick 2 though.

Sidebottom would net pick 1.

Fits GWS profile of what they want too.

 

[Gysberts2Bate]

Just leave me with my wet sheets and you can keep Pick 2/Hogan and we'll keep Rockliff/7 and the better end of the deal.

If you seriously think you have the better end of the deal, you're kidding yourself. You'd have to trade Rockliff, pick 7, Justin Leppitsch and the Gabba to even get your hands on one of Jesse Hogan's footy boots.

 

[iBeng]

If you seriously think you have the better end of the deal, you're kidding yourself. You'd have to trade Rockliff, pick 7, Justin Leppitsch and the Gabba to even get your hands on one of Jesse Hogan's footy boots.

Makes sense, we wouldnt want Hogan after 2 years on your list anyway.

 

[freo_baby]

Sidebottom would net pick 1.

Fits GWS profile of what they want too.

 

[ThePuppetMaster]

Nope, would be a straight swap for pick 2 or nothing at all. I doubt it will happen anyway, the article is just a media beatup.

What about if we wanted to secure a guy on the outer like Ash Smith as well?

 

[loki04]

Would put money on it 22 yo A grade mid premiership player went close to winning the NS at 19, will be in for an elite season next year.

 

[jknothimjustafan]

What about if we wanted to secure a guy on the outer like Ash Smith as well?

please take him. we will gift wrap him for you. ok seriously. ash smith and our 3rd for your 3rd. something like that.

 

[bing181]

Makes sense, we wouldnt want Hogan after 2 years on your list anyway.

Just an idiotic thing to say.

 

[iBeng]

Just an idiotic thing to say.

Not really.

 

[Mego Red]

Adams and Shiel for 2? Or does that defeat the point?

 

[Theo X]

Adams and Shiel for 2? Or does that defeat the point?

No way GWS would do that, we'd jump at Shiel straight swap.

 

[Leather Poisoning]

cant say i think too differently to be honest, draft excellent, build up the core of your premiership side via the draft, get your cream players that way, and then trade to fill some holes or gaps that need to be addressed.

if you try and build a team via trading, your not going to be too successful

Sorry to intrude, don't agree with it though.

You have two chances to improve your list each year: trading and drafting. If you only use trading for plugging holes with other club off cuts you are missing a huge opportunity.

The gunston trade is the best the hawks have done - we used our first draft pick and swapped some later ones. We could have picked up someone as good as gunston, but it would still be 3-4 years before they made their mark. Jack had an impact in his first season.

Geelong was able to survive without because they had an awesome crop from 1999. Likewise, the hawthorn 2008 team only had guerra Gilham and dew as imports, the rest of the group was made of bumper crops in 2001 and 2004. Sheesh, if we had've got 2005 right (5 picks in the top 25 - Ellis, Muston, dowler, bailey, Birchall) then maybe we wouldn't have needed those top ups. But having said that 2 of those picks came from trading out Lonnie and hay.

I'm rambling a bit - bit trade is an opportunity that should be as thoroughly explored as drafting in my view.

 

[Membling]

Would put money on it 24 yo A grade mid premiership player went close to winning the NS at 21, will be in for an elite season next year.

Judd was also 24 turning 25 and didn't net pick 1 for the eagles.

 

[El_Scorcho]

Judd was also 24 turning 25 and didn't net pick 1 for the eagles.

If Carlton had pick 1 he would have.

 

[Membling]

If Carlton had pick 1 he would have.

They did have pick 1

 

[The Falcon Strike]

If Carlton had pick 1 he would have.

Carlton did have pick 1

In the end they kept pick 1 and gave us JK.

The reason we didn't get pick 1 was our relative bargaining positions with PSD a real possibility.

The reason we got JK was thankfully due to Richmond threatening to pick him up in the draft and Carlton not wanting to risk it

 

[Tragic sainter]

If Carlton had pick 1 he would have.

Lol.

 

[Oct19]

Mooney. Pod sort of.

Tom Harley started with Port Adelaide too.

 

[Gysberts2Bate]

Judd was also 24 turning 25 and didn't net pick 1 for the eagles.

I think I'd take Pick 3, Pick 20 and Josh Kennedy, a former Pick 3 (or close) over one Pick 1.

 

[loki04]

Judd was also 24 turning 25 and didn't net pick 1 for the eagles.

Yeah he only netted pick 3 and 20 plus and up and coming star KPF forward in Kennedy who was a pick 4.

So effectively 3, 4 and 20.

Judd also nominated a club.

GWS is in a unique position of having a lot of high end talented young players and no senior players to guide and he fits what they want to trade for.

BTW I stuffed his age up currently only 22 and turns 23 in Jan.