Pick #2

[folester41]

ill be happy with who ever you guys leave us, but if my team was in your position id be looking at scully butcher and a mid at 18 as this is better then scully trengove and a foward at 18.

the mids at 18 are way ahead of the fowards at 18 from my perspective.

in saying that ill happily welcome butcher to richmond to give us a foward line

 

[free at last]

Didn't we draft Blease and Strauss to kick into our forward line? Grimes is not going to play down back all his career he will be a midfielder to.

I think Martin will be best used as a backup ruckman as we have option of playing him forward or back when resting him, whatever suits best. What about this situation?

HF: Bate Watts Jurrah
F: Wonaeamirri Butcher Martin​

Bate and Jurrah are both good at ground level. Martin swaping in the ruck with two potential gun KPP?​

As you can probably tell i think Butcher is a must!!!!​

butcher is a to big of a risk not to draft.butcher & watts could quite easily become the new roughead, buddy combo. unless trengove is gunna
be a bona fide champ select ,him.watts ,butcher if they turn out to be champs dees will be powerful for a long,long time.

 

[Demon 16]

ill be happy with who ever you guys leave us, but if my team was in your position id be looking at scully butcher and a mid at 18 as this is better then scully trengove and a foward at 18.

the mids at 18 are way ahead of the fowards at 18 from my perspective.

in saying that ill happily welcome butcher to richmond to give us a foward line

One of Carlisle, Grifiths or Panos would likely be around at pick 18 - and I would have thought that Butcher is not terribly far ahead of any of them (although he is the best).

Trengove on the other hand is miles ahead of any midfielders likely to be left at pick 18.

Im in the Trengove camp purely because he is a much better player than Butcher. We are realisticly 4 - 5 years away from a serious challenge to a flag and thats plenty of time to either draft a key forward - or trade for one with our quality list because we will have been picking the best players.

 

[KTLK]

One of Carlisle, Grifiths or Panos would likely be around at pick 18 - and I would have thought that Butcher is not terribly far ahead of any of them (although he is the best).

Trengove on the other hand is miles ahead of any midfielders likely to be left at pick 18.

Im in the Trengove camp purely because he is a much better player than Butcher. We are realisticly 4 - 5 years away from a serious challenge to a flag and thats plenty of time to either draft a key forward - or trade for one with our quality list because we will have been picking the best players.

Grifiths, Panos and Carlise is no where near Butcher's best. Good example is Grifths an injury prone.

Butcher is the one at Pick 2. Simply because when Butcher is not at best, he is still capable of kicking goals. Therefore, still hope of winning games. I have seen this before especially a match where he has kicked a lazy 5 goals while not in good form.

We need goals to win and cheer.

Trengrove on the other, if he is not at best, he isn't capable of doing things like Butcher, that is kicking bags of 5 goals.

Scully is good enough as a midfield and Pick 18 should be used for another quality midfielder. Look at Dal Santo, Pick 26 !!!!!!. I'm sure there are more quality midfielders than KPP at Pick 18

 

[cannons]

Grifiths, Panos and Carlise is no where near Butcher's best. Good example is Grifths an injury prone.

Butcher is the one at Pick 2. Simply because when Butcher is not at best, he is still capable of kicking goals. Therefore, still hope of winning games. I have seen this before especially a match where he has kicked a lazy 5 goals while not in good form.

We need goals to win and cheer.

Trengrove on the other, if he is not at best, he isn't capable of doing things like Butcher, that is kicking bags of 5 goals.

Scully is good enough as a midfield and Pick 18 should be used for another quality midfielder. Look at Dal Santo, Pick 26 !!!!!!. I'm sure there are more quality midfielders than KPP at Pick 18

I thought Dal Santo was pick 13

 

[Demon 16]

Grifiths, Panos and Carlise is no where near Butcher's best. Good example is Grifths an injury prone.

Butcher is the one at Pick 2. Simply because when Butcher is not at best, he is still capable of kicking goals. Therefore, still hope of winning games. I have seen this before especially a match where he has kicked a lazy 5 goals while not in good form.

We need goals to win and cheer.

Trengrove on the other, if he is not at best, he isn't capable of doing things like Butcher, that is kicking bags of 5 goals.

Scully is good enough as a midfield and Pick 18 should be used for another quality midfielder. Look at Dal Santo, Pick 26 !!!!!!. I'm sure there are more quality midfielders than KPP at Pick 18

We havnt seen his best for too long - thats why I think Trengove.

If you have a fleet of quality midfieders then one can have a bad day and its not as damaging as a key forward having a bad day. I think an elite midfield is more important than an elite forward line.

I do have Butcher as the third pick in the draft - and if BP thinks he's the one then thats good enough for me. Ill be pretty pumped either way.

 

[lose]

We havnt seen his best for too long - thats why I think Trengove.

If you have a fleet of quality midfieders then one can have a bad day and its not as damaging as a key forward having a bad day. I think an elite midfield is more important than an elite forward line.

I do have Butcher as the third pick in the draft - and if BP thinks he's the one then thats good enough for me. Ill be pretty pumped either way.

yeh why dont you go ask geelong how their supreme midfield is winning them games at the moment? umm oh...
another thing, the hawks midfield is far from elite in my opinion, but dam their foward line is good... and with scully added to those we already have, or midfield will be ahead of theirs...

 

[Demon 16]

yeh why dont you go ask geelong how their supreme midfield is winning them games at the moment? umm oh...
another thing, the hawks midfield is far from elite in my opinion, but dam their foward line is good... and with scully added to those we already have, or midfield will be ahead of theirs...

Um.. Geelong are probably the flag favourites again and have dominated the comp for over 3 years and the Hawks didnt make the finals. Hawthorns midfield was exceptional last year.

But I know what youre saying, and I know we've got some decent young prospects in the middle, but youre kidding yourself if you are labelling them elite before youve even seen half of them play, and suggesting we dont need any more quality midfielders.

 

[Crimson Azure]

If we look back to the 2006 draft Gibbs went first & he was having strong performances in SANFL. He is a good player at 20 & will be a great player if he continues at this rate (don't let this get out he is still a squib on bay 13).

Wherever they are playing it is always going to about the players ability not the league they play in. Even if mature players we blocking for him it will be the same in the AFL so I don't see that as an issue.

I think draft camp results as always will have a big impact (more so with Butcher) on who gets drafted.

 

[lose]

Um.. Geelong are probably the flag favourites again and have dominated the comp for over 3 years and the Hawks didnt make the finals. Hawthorns midfield was exceptional last year.

But I know what youre saying, and I know we've got some decent young prospects in the middle, but youre kidding yourself if you are labelling them elite before youve even seen half of them play, and suggesting we dont need any more quality midfielders.

geelong are far from flag favourites, prob bout 4th in line IMO... we are getting another quality midfielder in scully and can take another at 18... although he may not be as good as trengrove he will still be good... considering there are so little fowards in this draft and with the consessions the GC are going to get the picks in the 1st round may be dominated by talls, so at our pick 18, there may be some very good mids still around...

 

[Andy_Mac]

geelong are far from flag favourites, prob bout 4th in line IMO... we are getting another quality midfielder in scully and can take another at 18... although he may not be as good as trengrove he will still be good... considering there are so little fowards in this draft and with the consessions the GC are going to get the picks in the 1st round may be dominated by talls, so at our pick 18, there may be some very good mids still around...

and that is why they will pick Butcher.

 

[saj_21]

I reckon it should be put on the table in trade week. Watch them come.

Possibles....Lake, Delidio (if you believe the rumours), McIntosh, Boak.

I dont know if any of these players would be put on the table, but you can bet your sweet arse that clubs will just about sell their soul to get their hands on pick 2 this year.

Would be worth having a look I reckon.

I am sure u threw those names out as examples but;

Lake - we don't need any more defenders
Deledio - one good year out of how many? We've had enough of inconsistent udner performing top picks done need any more.
Mcintosh - IMO ruckmen do no need to be super stars as longs they compete at the ruck contest and provide constents around the ground and tackle well thats all we need **cough cough** Jamar.
Boak - won;t make a difference to our side considering we will have scully next year along with Strauss and Blease that will be 3 top 20 picks be incontention for our side.

The only thing we may trade for is KPF but how many of these are available at a good price? imo only Franklin and Roughead are worth pick 2 (and plus some).

For the record we take the best player available at 18 and Trengrove at Pick 2.

 

[lose]

to everyone suggesting that down the track we can simply trade away for a tall, it is almost impossible... who is the last high profile tall to defect clubs? i dont know anyone, and even if you can, it can cost an absolute shitload... drafting is the proven way to do it...

 

[Crimson Azure]

For those talking about a trade for Delidio I think it was announced this morning that he has signed for 3 years with the Tigers.

 

[Andy_Mac]

Um.. Geelong are probably the flag favourites again and have dominated the comp for over 3 years and the Hawks didnt make the finals. Hawthorns midfield was exceptional last year.

But I know what youre saying, and I know we've got some decent young prospects in the middle, but youre kidding yourself if you are labelling them elite before youve even seen half of them play, and suggesting we dont need any more quality midfielders.

Hawthorns midfield far from won them the game they played well, but it was Geelongs forwards lost them the game. And thats why they will have wasted the oppertunity to win 3 flags. IMO they will be out in straight sets, beating Freo by 40 points in Geelong is hardly earth shatering.

The same point can also be made for why Brisbane was so good at converting dominant years into flags. In the big games the big boys won it. Lynch and Browny belting the suitcase out of the wakelens (spelling).

Have a look at Bombers v Hawthorn last saturday. Lloyds big body crashing a pack changed the game in a second.

The more i think about it the more i like having a big 2m tall boy from country Victoria (ala J. Brown) running around ready to change the game with one selfless act.

 

[The Uncle]

We shouldn’t be worried about who will become a better player in the end, but rather who would better benefit the Melbourne FC. While Trengrove may be a great player, there is nothing to say he will be Simon black or the next Chris Judd, he is just shinning so bright this year because the draft talent isn’t up to other years. Previous number 2’s like Crotchin, Thomas, Gumbleton may all be good players but aren’t going to win their team flags. People seem to have forgotten about Sam Blease, the write up’s on this kid are amazing and I can’t wait to see him next, adding Blease, Strauss and Scully into our midfield will be hard enough without trying to fit Trengrove in as well. Butcher on the other hand is the missing link in our forward line, a big bodied, strong marking FF who can bring the ball to ground and take the number 1 defender. Although tall and athletic Jurrah is probably our best crumming forward, add to this Wonna and the pace of Maric and we would have the most dangerous small forwards around Watts, Bate and Butcher. There is only 1 KPF in this years draft that can turn a game, the other options looked right at home playing U18’s but didn’t look like they were big enough to really impact AFL like Butcher, imagine this kid injury free after a full AFL preseason. IMO games like Adelaide were a perfect example that we need to build our forward line, let’s not have a good forward line but an unstoppable forward line and pick up Butcher. There is so much undiscovered talent running around in Victoria in the midfield that will get drafted late, but there is no KPF’s like butcher in Australia.

 

[lloyd christmas]

Watts as a hard working lead up CHF - Nick Reiwoldt
Butcher as a big, strong, pack crashing FF - Jonathon Brown

Throw in Wona & Jurrah as freakish crumbers.
Green as a Brad Johnson type & Bate as a 3rd tall.
That would be f**king awesome!

You can rotate Sylvia & Davey through there.
Bruce patrolling half back & release Grimey into the midfield in the next year or so.

Our midfield will still be very very good without Trengrove.

Just think if how a team would stop Reiwoldt & Brown???
Our backs look good or midfield is developing & you can build a team around the 2 best KPF's of the last 2 years.

 

[The O]

I see alot of people comment that our midfield is ok. However we need to be focusing on the central goal of developing a premiership team, and based on the last 2 years of Geelong, Hawthorn and the Bulldogs & Collingwood this year, the key is having midfielders that kicks goals. This clearly is an area we are clearly severly lacking. I believe that we have at best 3 midfielders capable of being a regular goal kicking midfielder, being Sylvia, Davey and with some development Grimes.

Geelong has Chapman, Ablett, Selwood, Bartel, Ling, S.Johnson, Varcoe
Hawthorn has Bateman, Dew, Osborne, Lewis, Rioli (at times in the midfield), Mitchell and Hodge, with the Bulldogs and Collingwood have almost too many to name.

So which Melbourne midfielders do we have going forward, that can kick goals (or potential to): Sylvia, Green (although see him being used more as a HFF), Grimes, and possibly Blease and Davey.

I can't see any potential to kick regular goals coming from either McLean, Moloney and Jones and believe that Strauss, Bennell, Bruce and probably Grimes will be used more off HB, with a rotation at times through the midfield. I believe it is crucial that we pick up Trengove at pick 2 instead of Butcher, as he's exactly the player we need. A future A grade midfielder, who has excellent foot skills and will be a regular goal kicker as he has shown at SAFL.

I know the Footy Department likes the idea of throwing Garland and Martin up forward next year as KPP's and I expect that our future forward line to have greater flexibility in the available options than having Butcher anchored at FF.

 

[Deefence]

The hardest debate in town...lets just hope the recruiting department get it right...

I like the thought of having a twin tower forward line with watts and butcher, watts will be a lead up CHF so we do need someone with size close to goals to either take a strong mark or bring the ball to the ground...will it be Butcher or another key position player in the draft like Panos or Talia or will it be someone like martin...who knowsssssss

I think it all depends on how much better trengove will be than butcher in the years to come, if its a only a small margin they will go for butcher if its going to be large trengove is our man...lets just hope one of the other KPF's are available at pick 18.

 

[ExTasDeeMan]

To be honest i'd be happy to go for Trengrove and then get the best KPF at 18. Getting the best full forward is as random as anything, midfielders is a lot easier.

 

[Deefence]

Just had a look at talia's footage and it looks like his a CHB is that true?

 

[The Uncle]

[FONT=&quot]Whilst goal kicking midfielders would add another string to our bow, it is not a necessity. Teams such as Geelong, Collingwood and the Bulldogs have goal kicking midfielders due to their lack of big KPF’s. I would rather have midfielders who hit targets inside our forward 50, rather than having to run the extra distance and kick the goal from 50m themselves. Sides like Collingwood and Geelong have multiple midfielders who can kick goals, by adding just Trengrove were not going to become one of these sides, but adding 1 KPF can make all the difference. Who needs goal kicking midfielders when you have Watts, Jurrah, Bate, Wonna and hopefully Butcher up forward. However I will say, just because Watts is a number 1 draft pick and Butcher is high doesn’t mean were going to have Riewoldt and Brown up forward, however we will have the 2 best KPF’s in country for their age[/FONT]

 

[lloyd christmas]

Dew is retired, S Johnson & Varcoe are permenant forwards. So is Rioli & Osborne spends most of his time forward & only returned 14 goals in 09.
Mitchell - 7 goals
Lewis - 9 goals
Hodge - 10 goals
Bartel - 9 goals
Selwood - 10 goals
Ling - 6 goals
Compared to Melbourne
Green - 12 goals
Jones - 8 goals
Morton - 9 goals
Moloney - 7 goals
McLean - 7 goals
Bruce - 9 goals
Sylvia - 17 goals
Petterd - 19 goals
Davey - 9 goals
Maric - 5 goals/6 games
The year Geelong won the flag they had Mooney & N Ablett
Hawthorn Buddy & Roughead
St Kilda Riewoldt & Kosi
Brisbane Lynch & Brown
Essendon Lloyd & Lucas
Melbourne Watts & Butcher
Melbourne have a once in a lifetime opportunity to create a very formidable, even unstoppable, forward line & I think we have to take it.

 

[The Uncle]

Great post Lloyd clearly we already have midfielders kicking goals. some great vision here of Blease
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7DTWnqlg8E&feature=related

looks like a genuine goal kicker and really like his 2nd efforts. I think that at times this year we've showed great ability in the midfield and I really expect Sylvia, Jones and McLean to continue to improve next year. Add to this the class and skill of Scully and finally introduce Strauss and Blease our midfield is looking great. If you have any doubts over Butcher just watch his 2008 carnival when we was only 17 and not injuried, clearly this kid can play and over the last few weeks is starting to show what he promised last year. Bit rough to write a kid off who didn't perform in a carnival he played injuried in.

 

[The Dr]

I'd forgotten just how f@cking good Blease is. He's going to be an absolute star!

That tackle and second effort resulting in a goal around 50 seconds is unbelievable!