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Maybe not. This is because if Crows or Port finish top 4, their pick will be around mid 15's. This pick range is not enough for Trengrove and I think MFC want atleast a top 10 pick.
If MFC fails to work out a deal, look at Nick Stevens situation please
Will you be pissed? I'm sure everyone will be
Butcher will be a safer option as always comparing to Trengrove.
I agree
Look at the list of midfielders: Too many midfielders will result headaches for the selectors.
Simply because there will be no room to squeeze all quality midfielders in the best 22 unless AFL introduce 6 or 8 players on the bench rather than 4.
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I think the Dee's should take Butch. I've seen him play a bit over his two years at Gippy and he's a real talent. I think he would compliment Watts as they are different players. Watts seems to be a leading forward with alot of skill for a big man. Butcher is your Kosi type, can take a big mark but also has great hands on the lead.
His kicking deficiencies are overstated. He's been playing injured in 09 and has managed to kick 30.15 in 9 games. That's with a high of 6, so he has been consistently kicking goals. That's pretty darn good last time I checked.
A forward line containing Butcher, Watts and Jurrah seems to good to pass up IMO.
HiHoEverybody
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haha I'm exactly the same. I've heard that Butch has carried a few injures through this year. Maybe this Is why he didn't have a great carnival. We haven't seen Blease or Strauss yet and obviously we have Scully to come, I also think Grimes will move into the midfield next year. We can pick another mid at 18 so I'm on the Butcher wagon again. I'm drooling at the thought of building a forward line around Watts, Butcher and Jurrah.
I agree
Look at the list of midfielders: Too many midfielders will result headaches for the selectors.
Simply because there will be no room to squeeze all quality midfielders in the best 22 unless AFL introduce 6 or 8 players on the bench rather than 4.
How many times during the year do we have our best 22 available?
It's called depth and every good team has it.
Hey, i know Hutchy said it is going to happen but has anyone thought about taking Trengove and Butcher?
We are hearing all these awesome things about Trengove and was Carnival MVP, is playing with men already so is liekly someone who can come in and make a contribution straight off. It is funny with all the debate there has never been much debate about this.
Would nearly be worth taking Trengove to watch Hutchy have to admit he was wrong.
Stinga on that depth argument don't we need to also add depth to the forward line??
Thing against Butcher is I think Bail's suggested that Garland would come back as a forward next year.
I love the fact that we have choices and hopefully we nail this decision and we get a buddy and not a Tambling
We are hearing all these awesome things about Trengove and was Carnival MVP, is playing with men already so is liekly someone who can come in and make a contribution straight off. It is funny with all the debate there has never been much debate about this.
Would nearly be worth taking Trengove to watch Hutchy have to admit he was wrong.
Stinga on that depth argument don't we need to also add depth to the forward line??
Thing against Butcher is I think Bail's suggested that Garland would come back as a forward next year.
I love the fact that we have choices and hopefully we nail this decision and we get a buddy and not a Tambling
Very true, I honestly have no idea who to pick and there's good arguments both ways. But there's also stupid arguments as well (hence my comment above). It's going to be tough, but either way we'll get a good one.
I was leaning towards Trengove, but I wasn't super impressed with his carnival video, but also haven't seen much of Butcher. I'm pretty happy with how our midfield is developing, so perhaps Butcher is the one...
WattsGoodForYou
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Wow, the use of logic on this topic! A rare contribution.
I dont get how people can not include room for; form, injury, suspension, etc etc.. When listing all the likely options. And multiple people for a position can cause friendly competition amongst a squad. I.e. Luke Ball not in best 22.
I know that first paragraph is 'tongue in cheek' but if it isn't may God have mercy on your soul.
Secondly on the seniors argument, refer to my post on page 3.
Thirdly Bailey said it is a possibility of playing Garland forward some games, not a full time forward.
Nup definately not "tongue in cheek" it was a straiight out question. A month or so again Shifter said that Trengove was closing the gap, and since then has had BOG's in SANFL seniors.
Yeah i know I read you bit on page three and thought it was a bit far fetched to suggest that the players in the SANFL had nothing better to do then run around shielding a player to help him get drafted. I would suggest that any under 18 team was going to struggle against a SANFL WAFL or VFL side. I find it impressive that with an imature body he is able to mix it with the big kids.
Also if this was right why did the MFC media talk about a=what a big step Watts had to make to get up to speed in the VFL seniors?
Yeah i know I read you bit on page three and thought it was a bit far fetched to suggest that the players in the SANFL had nothing better to do then run around shielding a player to help him get drafted. I would suggest that any under 18 team was going to struggle against a SANFL WAFL or VFL side. I find it impressive that with an imature body he is able to mix it with the big kids.
Also if this was right why did the MFC media talk about a=what a big step Watts had to make to get up to speed in the VFL seniors?
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The simple concept of Melbourne overlooking Scully sounds so baffling. If it actually happened, Richmond would be laughing to death. Scully is the most complete player in the draft and while his leadership and kicking isn't as good as Trengove's, he's pretty much better in all other catagories.
WattsGoodForYou
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Well may god have mercy on your soul, if all you have to do if go around in an attempt to annoy a media personality.
Also if you did read my post and played the game you may actually realize that sought of team work blocks and such if better at higher levels. And it does actually happen aswell that teams do their best to get a player drafted as that benefits the club as well as the individual.
I have no doubt a senior side from those leagues would beat a U/18 team. No doubt. I never suggested such a thing, i noted that the TAC is the leading competition to be drafted from.
Additionaly, those leagues are semi-professional not professional , so calling them big kids is a bit strange. Yet older players would look out for the younger guy. His stats dont mean a thing where and how he gets it is more important. Just see Joel Bowden as a prime example.
Furthermore, Watts played 4 TAC cup games last year and a number for his school. He was drafted as a 17, and with ludicrous comments such as your you should go join the WCE posters on bay 13.
Thanks for setting me straight. Lesson learned and glad the great messiah has spoken to me through you.
Hate to see you angry, and all i originally asked was if anybody had thought about the prospect?
Have you also taken into account that 90% of AFL media is based in Victoria, making it easy to throw everything at Scully and we see so much more of him. There was a feeling last year that if Nic Nat and Rich were victorian they would have been held in a higher light.
I am sorry i believed this question was worth asking. Also i think you'll find Watts also played something called the Interstate carnival where a lot of his hype came from!
Dont go off half cocked just because someone is putting out a different point of view.
This could be like the people asking for Sylvia to be delisted........
or
Those angry supporter who thought we should of held onto Travis Johnstone
Not everything is as black and white as you see it!
Hate to see you angry, and all i originally asked was if anybody had thought about the prospect?
Have you also taken into account that 90% of AFL media is based in Victoria, making it easy to throw everything at Scully and we see so much more of him. There was a feeling last year that if Nic Nat and Rich were victorian they would have been held in a higher light.
I am sorry i believed this question was worth asking. Also i think you'll find Watts also played something called the Interstate carnival where a lot of his hype came from!
Dont go off half cocked just because someone is putting out a different point of view.
This could be like the people asking for Sylvia to be delisted........
or
Those angry supporter who thought we should of held onto Travis Johnstone
Not everything is as black and white as you see it!
I'd be very happy to have Butcher at the MFC, but not at pick 2. There are too many queries about Butcher for him to be a pick 2 draftee. His workrate is poor, his field kicking is very poor and his goal kicking spasmodic.
Happy to draft him, but he's not a pick 2.
And those that peddle the hackneyed groupthink on Morabito's kicking have probably never seen him play. He'll be a very very good AFL footballer. The queries on his kicking are very overstated.
Happy to draft him, but he's not a pick 2.
And those that peddle the hackneyed groupthink on Morabito's kicking have probably never seen him play. He'll be a very very good AFL footballer. The queries on his kicking are very overstated.
Then you'll be very happy with Scully. He was Vic Metro captain for a reason and has leadership written all over him. Three months ago a prominent player manager - who doesn't manage Scully - told me that Scully will captain the MFC if we're able to draft him. Pretty high praise and reflective of his leadership capabilities.
Also, Scully is a very good kick. He's not (yet) an elite kick, but he's still good.
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WattsGoodForYou
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Who is angry? I am sitting hear drinking a cold milo? I suggest you have one too if you are feeling angry or stressed...You seem to be...I never attacked you just your argument, there is a big difference.
Under 18 Championships? Larke medalist? I had no idea, you see i live under a rock.
Also i look at more than just Victorian articles. I make my own decision.
I see things red and blue (and when away i see them in white, red & blue), not black and white. You seem to have trouble deciphering meaning from it all.
Back on the main debate... My point originally was that you can not compare performances in different leagues as there is too many variables, including (but not limited to) those mentioned. The recruiters will make the decision nobody on here will, and they will naturally take into account all these varibles rather than say he is performing at a league which is perceived to be higher standard.
Thanks Trav
Looks like were starting to get some serious leadership caperbilities, with Grimes Beamer Watts Mclean and to add Scully to that list. Might be a good move to give Jnr another year to see who puts the best claim on the job for the future
Looks like were starting to get some serious leadership caperbilities, with Grimes Beamer Watts Mclean and to add Scully to that list. Might be a good move to give Jnr another year to see who puts the best claim on the job for the future
Nah not stressed at all mate, having a laugh about all this. I think you summed it up beautifully in your last paragraph and actually argued both our points.
We don't know who they are going to pick, lets just hope its the best pick, whether thats any combination of Scully, Trengove, Butcher, morobito etc
I laughed when i read the Red and Blue bit as i had thiat in there but took it out.
We don't know who they are going to pick, lets just hope its the best pick, whether thats any combination of Scully, Trengove, Butcher, morobito etc
I laughed when i read the Red and Blue bit as i had thiat in there but took it out.
Who covers Watts? Martin, Jamar?
Newton. Juice Newton.
Opps. I forgot.
Maybe we could pass on P18 and just pay Juice the extra coin. I hear GC is trying to entice Victorians north.
Also I have a bag of horse sh*t in the shed, i've been hiding it from the interstate clubs so that they dont nab it. Is it too soon for me to nominate it for the PSD? I dont wont Freo to get a snif.
