Pick 27

[Obese Arachnid]

They have Macreadie next year who will be one of the early selections so they will need points but yeah they'll be ok.

With the list they have & players they've traded out for pics, it'll be a few years before they really need to panic.

Too easy for them to trade a player out in their top 30-35 players to get points they need in the future.

 

[TradeDraft]

Our 2 Trades with GWS made sure they have plenty of Points

 

[unplugged]

The only proviso I have is do you really want to tell the guy you draft and the rest of the football world that you really wanted mills or Hooper,but had to settle for him

Maybe beforehand, like when the Bulldogs bid on Darcy Moore with pick 5, forcing us to match with pick 9.

Whoever the Bulldogs took with pick 5 may think that? But... if that was to happen now, we'd take Darcy Moore with pick 5 and the Bulldogs would take their same player with pick 6. Problem gone.

 

[sr36]

Maybe beforehand, like when the Bulldogs bid on Darcy Moore with pick 5, forcing us to match with pick 9.

Whoever the Bulldogs took with pick 5 may think that? But... if that was to happen now, we'd take Darcy Moore with pick 5 and the Bulldogs would take their same player with pick 6. Problem gone.

I can't say that I understand your rationale. Under the old system, you didn't know who was available, so it wasn't a direct comparison between the two. Under this system, if you bid on someone whose club is going to match your bid, you are saying that you'd prefer the guy you bid on.

 

[Apex36]

I can't say that I understand your rationale. Under the old system, you didn't know who was available, so it wasn't a direct comparison between the two. Under this system, if you bid on someone whose club is going to match your bid, you are saying that you'd prefer the guy you bid on.

It's a stretch to think that a club is going to stress about hurting the feelings of a potential draftee just because they bid on an academy prospect ahead of them.

 

[Matt_352]

Blake Hardwick hits the scoreboard hard

 

[gutsroy]

Not sure if this is the right place for it, but would we have any interest in Yestin Eades in the draft (maybe with a later round pick?)?

Regardless of whether he ends up with us, I hope he gets a crack at it, it must have taken a bit of resilience to move over to the other side of the country to hopefully give himself a better chance in life.

 

[ppoiter]

This is what I've been trying to get my head around. Our pick 27 will apparently drop down the order. Is that only because these academy players are added in? If thats the case, we really still have the same access to the available kids don't we? Perhaps what might change things is if somethiong really unexpected happens with the academy kids

Glad someone else has raised this, thought I was missing something that everyone else seems to find completely obvious

 

[Snoop Dog]

With the list they have & players they've traded out for pics, it'll be a few years before they really need to panic.

Too easy for them to trade a player out in their top 30-35 players to get points they need in the future.

yep thats right. Lets say that player next is probably Tomlinson or McCarthy.

 

[Snoop Dog]

Not sure if this is the right place for it, but would we have any interest in Yestin Eades in the draft (maybe with a later round pick?)?

Regardless of whether he ends up with us, I hope he gets a crack at it, it must have taken a bit of resilience to move over to the other side of the country to hopefully give himself a better chance in life.

In my phantom I nearly had him coming to us. Great story and his development been really good. He will be a late or rookie pick. Can overdo it at times and his ball use can be up and down but he is as quick as explosive as you get in this draft and be staggered if someone doesn't get him. He's actually played all over the ground and done well at different times in each of them. He has a like for the contest to which is terrific.

If we did go for a Fiorini early then he would come into the mix at one of the later two or the rookie draft.

 

[Snoop Dog]

Blake Hardwick hits the scoreboard hard

He does and I am surprised doesn't get talked about more. Has a few other tricks as well.

 

[The Dawes]

Blake Hardwick hits the scoreboard hard

am I right in saying he kicked bags of 10 & 12 goals in TAC games this year?

 

[Couch Coach]

In Herald Sun pay wall article Demons to get another look at Weideman the last paragraph talks about us being keen on:
Brayden Fiorini
Player bio
Age: 18
Height: 187cm
Weight: 76kg
Position: Midfielder
2015 Statistics
Games: 3
Goals: -
Avg Kicks: 9.3
Avg Marks: 3.6
Avg Hballs: 5.6
Classy medium midfielder or defender who uses the ball very well on his preferred left foot. Solid performer for Victoria Metro in the NAB AFL U18 Championships, averaging 15 possessions in three matches, but has starred for the Knights in the TAC Cup, averaging 30 disposals.

 

[Matt_352]

am I right in saying he kicked bags of 10 & 12 goals in TAC games this year?

Correct also kicked 8 in a game as well.

 

[wednesdaywarrior]

In Herald Sun pay wall article Demons to get another look at Weideman the last paragraph talks about us being keen on:
Brayden Fiorini
Player bio
Age: 18
Height: 187cm
Weight: 76kg
Position: Midfielder
2015 Statistics
Games: 3
Goals: -
Avg Kicks: 9.3
Avg Marks: 3.6
Avg Hballs: 5.6
Classy medium midfielder or defender who uses the ball very well on his preferred left foot. Solid performer for Victoria Metro in the NAB AFL U18 Championships, averaging 15 possessions in three matches, but has starred for the Knights in the TAC Cup, averaging 30 disposals.

I noticed that article and then re-watched the highlights clip this morning (during a lull at work).

Fiorini looks to me like a bit of a Caracella/Farren Ray type. Maybe Caracella is a stretch - he really had some skills. As a lot of you kids like to say, he just looks a bit 'vanilla' to me. I might be selling him short but a lot of his highlights seemed to consist of 15 meter passes sideways to a team mate. Happy to be challenged on this though.

Assuming the report has some validity, my questions would be -

Are we just after him because he's a left footer and we are copying the Hawthorn model or does he have other strings to his bow?
Why are we targeting a medium defender when we already have enough of them to string across the West Gate Bridge and back?
Am I expecting too much with pick 27 to want more than a Fiorini?
Is Fiorini our real target or a smoke screen to the one we really want? (rhetorical, I know no one can answer this).

 

[wednesdaywarrior]

OK, he's 187 cm that's a good height if he has prospects to go into the midfield or play further up the ground. That might be the thinking? Maybe one of our draft experts could help project what Fiorini might be capable of.

 

[Baltimore Jack]

In Herald Sun pay wall article Demons to get another look at Weideman the last paragraph talks about us being keen on:
Brayden Fiorini
Player bio
Age: 18
Height: 187cm
Weight: 76kg
Position: Midfielder
2015 Statistics
Games: 3
Goals: -
Avg Kicks: 9.3
Avg Marks: 3.6
Avg Hballs: 5.6
Classy medium midfielder or defender who uses the ball very well on his preferred left foot. Solid performer for Victoria Metro in the NAB AFL U18 Championships, averaging 15 possessions in three matches, but has starred for the Knights in the TAC Cup, averaging 30 disposals.

Rated the 28th best player in the draft on Champion Data Stats

 

[TradeDraft]

Could Callum Ah Chee fall to our 1st Pick?

 

[mike123]

Could Callum Ah Chee fall to our 1st Pick?

Don't want him TBH. Seems like another high flying small forward.

 

[Snoop Dog]

I noticed that article and then re-watched the highlights clip this morning (during a lull at work).

Fiorini looks to me like a bit of a Caracella/Farren Ray type. Maybe Caracella is a stretch - he really had some skills. As a lot of you kids like to say, he just looks a bit 'vanilla' to me. I might be selling him short but a lot of his highlights seemed to consist of 15 meter passes sideways to a team mate. Happy to be challenged on this though.

Assuming the report has some validity, my questions would be -

Are we just after him because he's a left footer and we are copying the Hawthorn model or does he have other strings to his bow?
Why are we targeting a medium defender when we already have enough of them to string across the West Gate Bridge and back?
Am I expecting too much with pick 27 to want more than a Fiorini?
Is Fiorini our real target or a smoke screen to the one we really want? (rhetorical, I know no one can answer this).

I think lot of people would agree with you and its probably fair to say that he was a bit outside and his kicks weren't 'adventurous' enough but he has really come on in the 2nd half of the year where he has had a lot of midfield time. He has developed an inside game and he can win his own footy and he has been more attacking with the ball. If he continues that trajectory then his ceiling is higher than maybe many would think. I personally have him about 30 in my Phantom Draft so I rate him reasonably high.

That being said am not sure I want us taking another mid with our first pick as think well served in both and if all goes to plan we have our midfield group set for the next 5 years with Treloar, Pendles, Aish, De Goey, Crisp, Sidebettom, Adams, Greenwood & Broomhead. Now if an A grader falls to us then sure take them but there are 1-2 that will be there later which I would swing at (e.g. Williams).

I would prefer to see the club target a forward but realistically dont think one will be available and not sure Moore is worth that pick. As much as I hate picking key position players later maybe an Allen appeals later as think he will drop. Hence i think the next need is a genuine and specialist forward and if a good is one there at the first pick then go with that. Be that a Rioli, Crocker that's what I am looking to.

The only reason I think they may go mid is because there is a small / medium that they rate and know will be there later (e.g. Eades, Kerbatieh etc).

Overall I would like to 1-2 specialist small / medium forwards, a tall forward and maybe some mids with speed who need time and development (e.g. a Perry / Murtimer / White etc)

 

[Matt_352]

Burton and Hardwick would top off our fwd line nicely. Doubt Burton lasts though

 

[Baltimore Jack]

If Hine is true to form, in later rounds (after round 1) he always picks "best available"

 

[The Dawes]

If Hine is true to form, in later rounds (after round 1) he always picks "best available"

if this draft is as shallow as it's purported to be, then I don't think you can afford to 'draft for need' - just grab the best player available.

 

[Soups]

if this draft is as shallow as it's purported to be, then I don't think you can afford to 'draft for need' - just grab the best player available.

Hine will be just crossing the players off his ranking list as they get called out.

 

[gutsroy]

In my phantom I nearly had him coming to us. Great story and his development been really good. He will be a late or rookie pick. Can overdo it at times and his ball use can be up and down but he is as quick as explosive as you get in this draft and be staggered if someone doesn't get him. He's actually played all over the ground and done well at different times in each of them. He has a like for the contest to which is terrific.

If we did go for a Fiorini early then he would come into the mix at one of the later two or the rookie draft.

Cheers for the detailed write-up, first of all Have read in a couple of places that he sometimes overdoes it, but that he has real speed / explosiveness and with his size he could probably be used in a few different positions.