Pick 27

[Snoop Dog]

Great work Snoop.

So you have us taking Crocker, Kerbatieh and Williams with our live picks. Are you happy with that haul?

Crocker does sound a lot like De Goey doesn't he? x-factor and versatility appeal. I like Johnson, Fiorini (elite user) or Redman as possibles their two. How close where they for you there?

Kerbatieh's stocks seemed to have fallen a bit since the combine testing and Fas comparisons have me a bit wary. Can sniff a goal though and fills a real list need. Would you have gone different here if you took Johnson or Hardwick at our first?

I know nothing about Williams but it sounds like he has no trouble finding the pill.

So you have us taking 3 medium to small types; do we try and unearth some talls in the rookie?

Cheers

Crocker sounds to people like that but he is more more forward than mid where as De Goey was the opposite. Deo Goey will also end up as an inside midfielder and he showed that in the last few games.

Ben is more a specialist HF type in the SJ mould. He has a long way to go but that is his go. he does really special things and he is very good 1:1 on his opponent.

Your other choices are all good and all names I thought long and hard about. Johnson and Redman particularly. It was a toss at the end. I was hoping that Cunningham would fall through but didn't work out that way.

Re going differently yes I would have for sure if Johnson had of been picked. Lot of good types around there that appeal as players Hine would be into - White, Murtimer, Schoenfeld, Mountford, Phillips.

Have to wait for the rookie but yes the first one is pencilled in as a tall I quite like who i think will slide.

 

[Apex36]

I'm just trying to understand it hence the question marks at the end of my sentences. Take a chill pill.

Think of it as two groups of players, one group are academy players, one group are players in the open draft. The current draft order is indicative of what talent we have access to in the open draft, ie. we will take the player we deem to be the 27th best player from that group.

Now lets assume that 5 academy players are bid on, and matched, before our pick 27. This pushes our pick back to 32. The players taken by those academy picks ahead of us though, are from that seperate group, not available in the open draft anyway. So despite our pick now being 32, we will still have access to the player we deem to be the 27th best in that group of players in the open draft. The only thing that changes is the number next to the draftees name.

Conversely, if Melbourne bid on Mills and Hopper for example, their pick goes from 3 to 5. That number though, is irrelevant, because they will still have access to exactly the same players they would have had access to if they had not placed a bid. At the end of the day, it's in Melbourne, or whomever else bids early's best interests to make those bids, as it could potentially have an impact on GWS or Brisbanes ability to afford their lower rated players that they may be interested in.

 

[Old Spice]

Think of it as two groups of players, one group are academy players, one group are players in the open draft. The current draft order is indicative of what talent we have access to in the open draft, ie. we will take the player we deem to be the 27th best player from that group.

Now lets assume that 5 academy players are bid on, and matched, before our pick 27. This pushes our pick back to 32. The players taken by those academy picks ahead of us though, are from that seperate group, not available in the open draft anyway. So despite our pick now being 32, we will still have access to the player we deem to be the 27th best in that group of players in the open draft. The only thing that changes is the number next to the draftees name.

Conversely, if Melbourne bid on Mills and Hopper for example, their pick goes from 3 to 5. That number though, is irrelevant, because they will still have access to exactly the same players they would have had access to if they had not placed a bid. At the end of the day, it's in Melbourne, or whomever else bids early's best interests to make those bids, as it could potentially have an impact on GWS or Brisbanes ability to afford their lower rated players that they may be interested in.

Okay thanks.

 

[unplugged]

Think of it as two groups of players, one group are academy players, one group are players in the open draft. The current draft order is indicative of what talent we have access to in the open draft, ie. we will take the player we deem to be the 27th best player from that group.

Now lets assume that 5 academy players are bid on, and matched, before our pick 27. This pushes our pick back to 32. The players taken by those academy picks ahead of us though, are from that seperate group, not available in the open draft anyway. So despite our pick now being 32, we will still have access to the player we deem to be the 27th best in that group of players in the open draft. The only thing that changes is the number next to the draftees name.

Conversely, if Melbourne bid on Mills and Hopper for example, their pick goes from 3 to 5. That number though, is irrelevant, because they will still have access to exactly the same players they would have had access to if they had not placed a bid. At the end of the day, it's in Melbourne, or whomever else bids early's best interests to make those bids, as it could potentially have an impact on GWS or Brisbanes ability to afford their lower rated players that they may be interested in.

This is a good summary of how it all works.

It is in everyone's best interest to ensure that no club gets a free ride, too. No more Vineys or Heeneys, please!

 

[Kappa]

This is a good summary of how it all works.

It is in everyone's best interest to ensure that no club gets a free ride, too. No more Vineys or Heeneys, please!

Or Moore's

 

[MyManLynch]

Again we once-a-year draft experts are faced with the annual dilemma posed by the draft highlights package.

Let's face it they all look good in these packages (as they bloody well should too), what we really need is an UN-highlights package full of fumbles, turnovers and general incompetence, only then can we truly judge a prospective player's worth in a balanced and objective fashion.

Good point.
Besides the Lowlights package we also require a video surveillance of their Saturday night activities.
Then we can pick the best of the worst.

 

[Apex36]

Or Moore's

We pretty much paid market value for Moore anyway. In the new system instead of paying pick 9 we would have paid pick 9 and had pick 30 downgraded to pick 38 or something.

 

[Old Spice]

Good point.
Besides the Lowlights package we also require a video surveillance of their Saturday night activities.
Then we can pick the best of the worst.

Did anyone see the latest De Goey video? I rate him as not up in the elite category skills wise but he will be a super player for us and influence around the club. It's really important as far as I'm concerned.

 

[TradeDraft]

We pretty much paid market value for Moore anyway. In the new system instead of paying pick 9 we would have paid pick 9 and had pick 30 downgraded to pick 38 or something.

I reckon we got Moore for Unders

 

[Knightmare]

Knightmare Snoop Dog Would it be too much of a reach to go for Callum Moore at our first pick? Looks to have a lot to work with.

Super impressive highlights clip IMO. Very athletic and three booming running goals from outside 50 were massive. Small sample but kicking didn't look that bad. His highlights reminded me of Johnno Marsh's the year we drafted him.

Brett Anderson thinks he could settle back but his highlights showed a lot of good work up forward. At 193cm and good overhead he looks like someone who could push up the ground as a high HF and then beat his opponents on the way back.

If we went with a taller type like Moore early I think that we could still fill our other list needs (small forward/medium type with outside speed) later.

Our first selection is too high for Moore in my view, though there will be recruiters who like him enough to take him late 20s or 30s. I'm not overly keen though. Overager, athletic but production for a forward is poor for his age.

I feel like I understand the draft bidding system as good as reasonably possible, however, I've got one question I'm still unsure about.

Let's say Melbourne bid for Callum Mills at Pick 3. Sydney match it and jump ahead in the draft order with their points to take him with Pick 3.

Melbourne now go on to select Pick 4. Some people think this could be Curnow or whoever else. However, my question is this:

Seeing as though Melbourne already bid Pick 3 for Mills, can they now go and bid Pick 4 on Jacob Hopper from GWS, and force them to match this as well?

Then all of a sudden it has gone Carlton, Brisbane, Sydney, GWS and low and behold, Melbourne now have Pick 5!

On the above theory, could they then go and bid Pick 5 on Eric Hipwood and make Brisbane match? And so on?

So in short, is there a number of times a club can bid on players? If a club with Pick 3 sees the best 3, 4 or even 5 players all as academic prospects, they should be able to continue bidding to try and at least get one of them, right? Or is this limited?

Snoop Dog Knightmare

Any club can absolute use that selection to bid on another player as it is still available to use for bidding if the player is matched.

 

[TradeDraft]

Our first selection is too high for Moore in my view, though there will be recruiters who like him enough to take him late 20s or 30s. I'm not overly keen though. Overager, athletic but production for a forward is poor for his age.

IF Hine wants to go Tall Forward. You not going to find one with Big Production at our 1st Pick

 

[Knightmare]

IF Hine wants to go Tall Forward. You not going to find one with Big Production at our 1st Pick

Unless Himmelberg is overlooked by GWS or available at 27, there won't be a suitable key forward anyway.

You always always need 1st round picks to get a key forward. So we may as well look at other list needs.

 

[TradeDraft]

Unless Himmelberg is overlooked by GWS or available at 27, there won't be a suitable key forward anyway.

You always always need 1st round picks to get a key forward. So we may as well look at other list needs.

Well only Real Need would be a Crumbing Forward is the Big Thing we need. Only other Possible thing would be Speed with a Good Ball Use. Lot like Stephen Hill from Freo

 

[Apex36]

Unless Himmelberg is overlooked by GWS or available at 27, there won't be a suitable key forward anyway.

You always always need 1st round picks to get a key forward. So we may as well look at other list needs.

Will they be able to afford him at our pick if Kennedy and Hopper are bid on at 4 and 6 or 7 like some are predicting?

 

[Knightmare]

Well only Real Need would be a Crumbing Forward is the Big Thing we need. Only other Possible thing would be Speed with a Good Ball Use. Lot like Stephen Hill from Freo

I'd agree with you on those identified needs.

Key forward. Outside speed. Some class and polish through the mid/fwd region. A crumber if they can provide heavy scoreboard impact.

Will they be able to afford him at our pick if Kennedy and Hopper are bid on at 4 and 6 or 7 like some are predicting?

Even I'm still familiarising myself with the intricacies of the rules. Maybe Snoop Dog can clarify this one, but I have heard something about clubs being able to put future picks to make up those extra points to get their academy talents if required.

As for whether Himmelberg can be added by GWS. My expectation is they should be able to make it happen with enough points there to get Hopper, Kennedy and Himmelberg unless the bidding is outrageous.

 

[Apex36]

Even I'm still familiarising myself with the intricacies of the rules. Maybe Snoop Dog can clarify this one, but I have heard something about clubs being able to put future picks to make up those extra points to get their academy talents if required.

As for whether Himmelberg can be added by GWS. My expectation is they should be able to make it happen with enough points there to get Hopper, Kennedy and Himmelberg unless the bidding is outrageous.

Yeah, but would they want to eat in to next years points? Been hearing they have another couple of good prospects next year too.

 

[Mr Bombastic]

Yeah, but would they want to eat in to next years points? Been hearing they have another couple of good prospects next year too.

Even if GWS didn't bid on Himmelberg would he still last to our pick? I would've thought Freo would be all over him at pick 22.

 

[Knightmare]

Yeah, but would they want to eat in to next years points? Been hearing they have another couple of good prospects next year too.

They've got extra picks through trade week. They don't have a Hopper or Kennedy projecting through their academy at this stage. So they can do that pretty easily without losing any sleep.

 

[TradeDraft]

I'd agree with you on those identified needs.

Key forward. Outside speed. Some class and polish through the mid/fwd region. A crumber if they can provide heavy scoreboard impact.

So What Players Fit those Needs?

 

[Knightmare]

So What Players Fit those Needs?

Luke Partington is the only guy I see adequately filling that need of those who could be available. With Ryan Clarke that second pretty reasonable option though not having the consistency of footskills of Partington.

 

[TradeDraft]

Luke Partington is the only guy I see adequately filling that need of those who could be available. With Ryan Clarke that second pretty reasonable option though not having the consistency of footskills of Partington.

Well IF That are the only 2 and Both could be Gone.

Hine might just go best Avaliable and that could be anyone

 

[sr36]

This is a good summary of how it all works.

It is in everyone's best interest to ensure that no club gets a free ride, too. No more Vineys or Heeneys, please!

The only proviso I have is do you really want to tell the guy you draft and the rest of the football world that you really wanted mills or Hooper,but had to settle for him

 

[Snoop Dog]

Will they be able to afford him at our pick if Kennedy and Hopper are bid on at 4 and 6 or 7 like some are predicting?

GWS have a heap of points and if they didn't they can go into deficit for next year anyway.

Knightmare

 

[Snoop Dog]

Yeah, but would they want to eat in to next years points? Been hearing they have another couple of good prospects next year too.

They have Macreadie next year who will be one of the early selections so they will need points but yeah they'll be ok.

 

[Bay Pie]

Yeah, but would they want to eat in to next years points? Been hearing they have another couple of good prospects next year too.

I believe they have to use points from next years draft, but in the same round.

Therefore, if we bid on Himmelbug with pick 32, they can pay up all their picks from this year, then drop back a few spots in their 2nd rounder from next year.

They already have, Geelongs and our 1st rounders, so they won't give a stuff about dropping some spots on a 2nd round pick.