Pick 27

[gutsroy]

Think of it as two groups of players, one group are academy players, one group are players in the open draft. The current draft order is indicative of what talent we have access to in the open draft, ie. we will take the player we deem to be the 27th best player from that group.

Now lets assume that 5 academy players are bid on, and matched, before our pick 27. This pushes our pick back to 32. The players taken by those academy picks ahead of us though, are from that seperate group, not available in the open draft anyway. So despite our pick now being 32, we will still have access to the player we deem to be the 27th best in that group of players in the open draft. The only thing that changes is the number next to the draftees name.

Conversely, if Melbourne bid on Mills and Hopper for example, their pick goes from 3 to 5. That number though, is irrelevant, because they will still have access to exactly the same players they would have had access to if they had not placed a bid. At the end of the day, it's in Melbourne, or whomever else bids early's best interests to make those bids, as it could potentially have an impact on GWS or Brisbanes ability to afford their lower rated players that they may be interested in.

Not sure if I am misinterpreting your post, but isn't the ultimate result that picks below the academy / father son players where the bid is matched effectively drop down in absolute terms, with lower round picks rising up because the bundled picks GWS and co. will use to reach the required points total to match the bid go away? I.e. Expansion at the top end, contraction lower down.

 

[Apex36]

Not sure if I am misinterpreting your post, but isn't the ultimate result that picks below the academy / father son players where the bid is matched effectively drop down in absolute terms, with lower round picks rising up because the bundled picks GWS and co. will use to reach the required points total to match the bid go away? I.e. Expansion at the top end, contraction lower down.

Correctamundo!

 

[MyManLynch]

WYLIE BUZZA

PLAYER BIO
Age: 19
Height: 198cm
Weight: 99kg
Position: Forward
2015 STATISTICS
Games: 3
Goals: 8
Avg Kicks: 3.6
Avg Marks: 3.3
Avg Hballs: 5.3
The Queensland key forward is strongly built and likes to throw his weight around both in attack and when in the ruck. Boasting strength and athleticism.

 

[MyManLynch]

WYLIE BUZZA

PLAYER BIO
Age: 19
Height: 198cm
Weight: 99kg
Position: Forward
2015 STATISTICS
Games: 3
Goals: 8
Avg Kicks: 3.6
Avg Marks: 3.3
Avg Hballs: 5.3
The Queensland key forward is strongly built and likes to throw his weight around both in attack and when in the ruck. Boasting strength and athleticism.

An aggressive big man...forward...& that name...
Rookie pick?

 

[Kappa]

WYLIE BUZZA

PLAYER BIO
Age: 19
Height: 198cm
Weight: 99kg
Position: Forward
2015 STATISTICS
Games: 3
Goals: 8
Avg Kicks: 3.6
Avg Marks: 3.3
Avg Hballs: 5.3
The Queensland key forward is strongly built and likes to throw his weight around both in attack and when in the ruck. Boasting strength and athleticism.

Yeah ****in' streuth Buzzo

 

[wednesdaywarrior]

I think lot of people would agree with you and its probably fair to say that he was a bit outside and his kicks weren't 'adventurous' enough but he has really come on in the 2nd half of the year where he has had a lot of midfield time. He has developed an inside game and he can win his own footy and he has been more attacking with the ball. If he continues that trajectory then his ceiling is higher than maybe many would think. I personally have him about 30 in my Phantom Draft so I rate him reasonably high.

That being said am not sure I want us taking another mid with our first pick as think well served in both and if all goes to plan we have our midfield group set for the next 5 years with Treloar, Pendles, Aish, De Goey, Crisp, Sidebettom, Adams, Greenwood & Broomhead. Now if an A grader falls to us then sure take them but there are 1-2 that will be there later which I would swing at (e.g. Williams).

I would prefer to see the club target a forward but realistically dont think one will be available and not sure Moore is worth that pick. As much as I hate picking key position players later maybe an Allen appeals later as think he will drop. Hence i think the next need is a genuine and specialist forward and if a good is one there at the first pick then go with that. Be that a Rioli, Crocker that's what I am looking to.

The only reason I think they may go mid is because there is a small / medium that they rate and know will be there later (e.g. Eades, Kerbatieh etc).

Overall I would like to 1-2 specialist small / medium forwards, a tall forward and maybe some mids with speed who need time and development (e.g. a Perry / Murtimer / White etc)

Thanks Snoop always good to get your insights. As usual if Hine goes with Fiorini I'll get right right behind him. You have to back them in. I guess were in a position where our best work has been done this year pre draft and if we can snag someone half decent at 27 it's to be considered a bonus!

 

[popin]

WYLIE BUZZA

PLAYER BIO
Age: 19
Height: 198cm
Weight: 99kg
Position: Forward
2015 STATISTICS
Games: 3
Goals: 8
Avg Kicks: 3.6
Avg Marks: 3.3
Avg Hballs: 5.3
The Queensland key forward is strongly built and likes to throw his weight around both in attack and when in the ruck. Boasting strength and athleticism.

#LulieStreetPornoStar

 

[Kirby]

I'd like a willy buzza too........teehee

 

[Sarah2kicks]

WYLIE BUZZA

Why couldn't his last name be Coyote

 

[Apex36]

Yeah ****in' streuth Buzzo

We could have Bruzzy and Buzzy.

 

[BPikkers]

I noticed that article and then re-watched the highlights clip this morning (during a lull at work).

Fiorini looks to me like a bit of a Caracella/Farren Ray type. Maybe Caracella is a stretch - he really had some skills. As a lot of you kids like to say, he just looks a bit 'vanilla' to me. I might be selling him short but a lot of his highlights seemed to consist of 15 meter passes sideways to a team mate. Happy to be challenged on this though.

Assuming the report has some validity, my questions would be -

Are we just after him because he's a left footer and we are copying the Hawthorn model or does he have other strings to his bow?
Why are we targeting a medium defender when we already have enough of them to string across the West Gate Bridge and back?
Am I expecting too much with pick 27 to want more than a Fiorini?
Is Fiorini our real target or a smoke screen to the one we really want? (rhetorical, I know no one can answer this).

I suppose we need to factor in is he the type of player that our development coaching staff can take to the next level. The top 5- 10 are generally very talented. IMO outside of this, a player may currently look good-serviceable, but it is then a matter of whether they have the attributes to have an AFL club development them to the next level.

The draft is littered with superstars that were not picked until 20+. So they obviously weren't standouts but had something which could be polished. So, hopefully whoever Hine and co choose, the development coaches can seriously work on

 

[thetruth000001]

I feel like in this draft you have the top tier players( weitering, parish, shache etc) then the next which goes from around 11-25( Collins, matherison, mckay brothers) no one gets the draft exactly right but close and fades because of one or 2 surprise picks who ever gets it wrong hine will make them pay

 

[Snoop Dog]

Thanks Snoop always good to get your insights. As usual if Hine goes with Fiorini I'll get right right behind him. You have to back them in. I guess were in a position where our best work has been done this year pre draft and if we can snag someone half decent at 27 it's to be considered a bonus!

Maynard last year was around there and think he will be a beauty.

If they went mid first what would you want with the next 2?

 

[well left]

Maynard last year was around there and think he will be a beauty.

If they went mid first what would you want with the next 2?

Snoop - you think there is much chance we will go for one of Still or Close with one of our later picks?

Think another key forward is needed and feel they might go the devil they know instead of a kid....

 

[AmellyPies]

Snoop - you think there is much chance we will go for one of Still or Close with one of our later picks?

Think another key forward is needed and feel they might go the devil they know instead of a kid....

Neither will get picked up.

 

[pinko77]

I got a good feeling hine will pick up a quality player with our first pick and people will be saying how did they do it just a feeling

 

[Kappa]

Snoop - you think there is much chance we will go for one of Still or Close with one of our later picks?

Think another key forward is needed and feel they might go the devil they know instead of a kid....

They would be rookie considerations, and even then probably passed on imo.

 

[MyManLynch]

They would be rookie considerations, and even then probably passed on imo.

Why waste a rookie pick on them, when we can have Wylie Buzza?

 

[35Daicos]

Why waste a rookie pick on them, when we can have Wylie Buzza?

That would be one of the more unusual names ever to appear on an AFL list if he makes it. If it's an unusual name you're looking for to fill that one last list spot then I'd suggest Didymus Blanket (nominated by Gold Coast as a potential Academy recruit) has him covered!:-
Along with Buzza, Blanket is one of 250 prospects profiled in the pre-draft edition of Inside Football magazine.

 

[neilk]

Gary Buckenara has our pick 27 becominging 32 and taking this guy. Anyone know much about him?:

32. Collingwood — Tom Doedee

Half-back, 187cm, 80kg, Geelong Falcons/St Joseph’s

Buckenara says: A very good reader of the play, Doedee is a bit like Andrew Mackie and also has a bit of Ben Stratton about him because he’s got the long arms and is agile so he can play tall and small. He’s got pace, agility and he reads the ball in flight very well so he can be a third-man up type.

 

[The Dawes]

That would be one of the more unusual names ever to appear on an AFL list if he makes it. If it's an unusual name you're looking for to fill that one last list spot then I'd suggest Didymus Blanket (nominated by Gold Coast as a potential Academy recruit) has him covered!:-
Along with Buzza, Blanket is one of 250 prospects profiled in the pre-draft edition of Inside Football magazine.

Makes perfect sense, if you've got a draft, you should have a blanket.

 

[TradeDraft]

32. Collingwood — Tom Doedee

Half-back, 187cm, 80kg, Geelong Falcons/St Joseph’s

Buckenara says: A very good reader of the play, Doedee is a bit like Andrew Mackie and also has a bit of Ben Stratton about him because he’s got the long arms and is agile so he can play tall and small. He’s got pace, agility and he reads the ball in flight very well so he can be a third-man up type.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...d/news-story/8b57a8034aeac9a47d9db82d0dd05cfe

 

[MyManLynch]

Makes perfect sense, if you've got a draft, you should have a blanket.

Boom boom.

 

[The Dawes]

Boom boom.

couldn't resist.

 

[35Daicos]

32. Collingwood — Tom Doedee

Half-back, 187cm, 80kg, Geelong Falcons/St Joseph’s

Buckenara says: A very good reader of the play, Doedee is a bit like Andrew Mackie and also has a bit of Ben Stratton about him because he’s got the long arms and is agile so he can play tall and small. He’s got pace, agility and he reads the ball in flight very well so he can be a third-man up type.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...d/news-story/8b57a8034aeac9a47d9db82d0dd05cfe

Dave, that does look a fair bit like what neilk posted!!