List Mgmt. Pick #5 - Welcome Adam Cerra [Traded to Carlton for 6 & F3]

[Nodgey]

Saw him interviewed on Fox Sports news last night. Think it’s the first time I’ve heard him speak.

 

[A New Hope]

Cerra is all class with how he has gone about things, sad to see him go.

 

[Purpletown]

In all seriousness, how many here ever warmed to him in the same way you do to guys like Swaggy, Serong or Brayshaw? I certainly never did, and I'm not just saying that because he left. I loved Lachie Neale for example and would never pretend I didn't just because he left.

Cerra just seemed so cold and aloof all the time. I think someone here described him as an emotionless automaton once and I think that's pretty bang on.

Aloof is a good description for mine. I have no doubt he is a decent young man however so I am not going to be too harsh on him.

My honest opinion of how he played for us was that he played within himself and was a bit of a bruise free player. Still a very good player however.

 

[noise36]

Cerra is all class with how he has gone about things, sad to see him go.

He pretty much lied to his mates and the club about his intention to consider Fremantle long term.

He has sooked since the day he arrived, never looked happy, lets be real was never going to sign an extension when he was thinking about things this year.

 

[wakojako]

I think this is spot on. I find this whole "nominating" a club thing to be sh*t for trading purposes anyway. I don't see why the club is obligated to do what the player wants? It's like nominating a used car dealership, "Yup. I'm gonna buy a car from this place." You lose all bargaining power and you have to accept what they have on the lot. You don't know what each car is worth or what they paid for it. Worse off, if you don't buy a car there, you risk not getting a car at all.

The way I see it, Freo was stuck negotiating with one club, which isn't where you want to be. The power comes when you can say, "I think I'll go to the dealership down the road." I've done this and it works. You want multiple clubs to work with. If it were Gold Coast and Carlton interested, it would have been a totally different story and Freo's hand gets a lot stronger. I don't think this is a great deal for Freo, but I don't think it's a fleecing. I would have preferred 2nd round pick instead of 3rd but, oh well. I don't get this idea that a club is obligated to honor the wishes of the player. The club is obligated to do what it takes to win premierships. If that's shipping Cerra to the Gold Coast, sucks for him.

I wish my employer would help me get a new job if I wanted to relocate to where I grew up...

I LOVE that we got pick 19. That could end up being the best trade of the week. I believe this is the first pick that can now take NGA kids, which gives it HUGE value. We might be able to move down one or two picks, still get our guy, and recoup some of the future picks we traded away. Or move up with some creative accounting. Based on Wallsy's comments, they are clearly aware of this.

Brodie trade was fine. I think he fits the age profile of our list and if he's a big body mid that can let Brayshaw and Serong do their thing, I don't think we gave up too much. If he's better than tucker then I'm even better with the trade.

Now, It looks like Belly is going to hold strong to pick 19 and only offer 22 for Clark. I would have preferred to give them 27, but I'm happy with 2 first rounders and the first pick of the second round if that is what it ends up being.

Lobb is another story all together. What is his deal?? Why does he want out?

Does he want to play less ruck? Well, then why the hell go to GWS who have very thin ruck stocks. Surely he knows that he will play in the ruck there. And, if GWS is looking to play Lobb as a ruck, why the fu** are they trading them in. Surely, they know he doesn't want to do this.

Does he want to go to Melbourne for his partner's job? Well, the why the fu** is he getting physicals done at GWS and why was he tied to GC earlier in the year? I don't live in AUS, but last time I looked at a map GC and Sydney weren't located in Melbourne. It must be something else.

Is he un-homesick? Is this a thing? Can someone who came home because he was homesick leave because he is un-homesick. I guess it's possible his mom is annoying the fu** out of him he wanted out. "Come here my boy. You're too skinny. You need to eat more." "Aw mom, can you just leave me alone! I'm working on my figure to go along with my snappy clothes."

Is is the culture of the team? This doesn't make sense.

Money? Well, he's making $700,000 here. Why move? GWS aren't going to pay that.

Longer contract? Why? For what purpose? Does he want to lock in a 4 year deal and then sit back and coast?

What is it? Why does he want to leave? I don't want to trade him because he plays a crucial role in our structure as a ruck/forward. But, the other side of me thinks he's being a whiney b*tch and should be traded to the Cleveland Browns.

Haha...ok, so I got a little carried away. This is the trade thread, right?

Amazing rant!

 

[SHill Shall]

LOL - in his first public airing in navy, Cerra comes out with "I can't wait to work with them".

He is definitely a strange unit and doesn't seem to get the emotional side of the game (or anything for that matter).

 

[Madas]

Bingo!

And while we could have been hoping for more, I'm overall fine with it. Its not a pick swap but an outright F3 - and of course we are shy on picks next year having previously cleared out F2, F3 and F4 to get the superb hand we now have in this year's draft.

Yes
Bright side , IF we turn pick six into a gun forward I think we are in a better position than we were with Cerra long term. Been said before but we have other midfield options but 0 f’n forwards.

 

[Yeti]

Yes
Bright side , IF we turn pick six into a gun skinny half back flanker I think we are in a better position than we were with Cerra long term. Been said before but we have other midfield options but f’n forwards are over rated and don't matter.

Fixed it for you.

It is the Fremantle way.

 

[Madas]

Love this song

 

[Madas]

I think this is spot on. I find this whole "nominating" a club thing to be sh*t for trading purposes anyway. I don't see why the club is obligated to do what the player wants? It's like nominating a used car dealership, "Yup. I'm gonna buy a car from this place." You lose all bargaining power and you have to accept what they have on the lot. You don't know what each car is worth or what they paid for it. Worse off, if you don't buy a car there, you risk not getting a car at all.

The way I see it, Freo was stuck negotiating with one club, which isn't where you want to be. The power comes when you can say, "I think I'll go to the dealership down the road." I've done this and it works. You want multiple clubs to work with. If it were Gold Coast and Carlton interested, it would have been a totally different story and Freo's hand gets a lot stronger. I don't think this is a great deal for Freo, but I don't think it's a fleecing. I would have preferred 2nd round pick instead of 3rd but, oh well. I don't get this idea that a club is obligated to honor the wishes of the player. The club is obligated to do what it takes to win premierships. If that's shipping Cerra to the Gold Coast, sucks for him.

I wish my employer would help me get a new job if I wanted to relocate to where I grew up...

I LOVE that we got pick 19. That could end up being the best trade of the week. I believe this is the first pick that can now take NGA kids, which gives it HUGE value. We might be able to move down one or two picks, still get our guy, and recoup some of the future picks we traded away. Or move up with some creative accounting. Based on Wallsy's comments, they are clearly aware of this.

Brodie trade was fine. I think he fits the age profile of our list and if he's a big body mid that can let Brayshaw and Serong do their thing, I don't think we gave up too much. If he's better than tucker then I'm even better with the trade.

Now, It looks like Belly is going to hold strong to pick 19 and only offer 22 for Clark. I would have preferred to give them 27, but I'm happy with 2 first rounders and the first pick of the second round if that is what it ends up being.

Lobb is another story all together. What is his deal?? Why does he want out?

Does he want to play less ruck? Well, then why the hell go to GWS who have very thin ruck stocks. Surely he knows that he will play in the ruck there. And, if GWS is looking to play Lobb as a ruck, why the fu** are they trading them in. Surely, they know he doesn't want to do this.

Does he want to go to Melbourne for his partner's job? Well, the why the fu** is he getting physicals done at GWS and why was he tied to GC earlier in the year? I don't live in AUS, but last time I looked at a map GC and Sydney weren't located in Melbourne. It must be something else.

Is he un-homesick? Is this a thing? Can someone who came home because he was homesick leave because he is un-homesick. I guess it's possible his mom is annoying the fu** out of him he wanted out. "Come here my boy. You're too skinny. You need to eat more." "Aw mom, can you just leave me alone! I'm working on my figure to go along with my snappy clothes."

Is is the culture of the team? This doesn't make sense.

Money? Well, he's making $700,000 here. Why move? GWS aren't going to pay that.

Longer contract? Why? For what purpose? Does he want to lock in a 4 year deal and then sit back and coast?

What is it? Why does he want to leave? I don't want to trade him because he plays a crucial role in our structure as a ruck/forward. But, the other side of me thinks he's being a whiney b*tch and should be traded to the Cleveland Browns.

Haha...ok, so I got a little carried away. This is the trade thread, right?

To answer the Lobb thing I’ve been wondering whether the club has been recommending he explore other options due to his generally lazy and lack lustre couple of years he’s provided the club . I really loved his 2018 efforts but he’s certainly gone stale from there .
My take could be total BS though

 

[Fred Ziffel]

I think this is spot on. I find this whole "nominating" a club thing to be sh*t for trading purposes anyway. I don't see why the club is obligated to do what the player wants? It's like nominating a used car dealership, "Yup. I'm gonna buy a car from this place." You lose all bargaining power and you have to accept what they have on the lot. You don't know what each car is worth or what they paid for it. Worse off, if you don't buy a car there, you risk not getting a car at all.

The way I see it, Freo was stuck negotiating with one club, which isn't where you want to be. The power comes when you can say, "I think I'll go to the dealership down the road." I've done this and it works. You want multiple clubs to work with. If it were Gold Coast and Carlton interested, it would have been a totally different story and Freo's hand gets a lot stronger. I don't think this is a great deal for Freo, but I don't think it's a fleecing. I would have preferred 2nd round pick instead of 3rd but, oh well. I don't get this idea that a club is obligated to honor the wishes of the player. The club is obligated to do what it takes to win premierships. If that's shipping Cerra to the Gold Coast, sucks for him.

I wish my employer would help me get a new job if I wanted to relocate to where I grew up...

I LOVE that we got pick 19. That could end up being the best trade of the week. I believe this is the first pick that can now take NGA kids, which gives it HUGE value. We might be able to move down one or two picks, still get our guy, and recoup some of the future picks we traded away. Or move up with some creative accounting. Based on Wallsy's comments, they are clearly aware of this.

Brodie trade was fine. I think he fits the age profile of our list and if he's a big body mid that can let Brayshaw and Serong do their thing, I don't think we gave up too much. If he's better than tucker then I'm even better with the trade.

Now, It looks like Belly is going to hold strong to pick 19 and only offer 22 for Clark. I would have preferred to give them 27, but I'm happy with 2 first rounders and the first pick of the second round if that is what it ends up being.

Lobb is another story all together. What is his deal?? Why does he want out?

Does he want to play less ruck? Well, then why the hell go to GWS who have very thin ruck stocks. Surely he knows that he will play in the ruck there. And, if GWS is looking to play Lobb as a ruck, why the fu** are they trading them in. Surely, they know he doesn't want to do this.

Does he want to go to Melbourne for his partner's job? Well, the why the fu** is he getting physicals done at GWS and why was he tied to GC earlier in the year? I don't live in AUS, but last time I looked at a map GC and Sydney weren't located in Melbourne. It must be something else.

Is he un-homesick? Is this a thing? Can someone who came home because he was homesick leave because he is un-homesick. I guess it's possible his mom is annoying the fu** out of him he wanted out. "Come here my boy. You're too skinny. You need to eat more." "Aw mom, can you just leave me alone! I'm working on my figure to go along with my snappy clothes."

Is is the culture of the team? This doesn't make sense.

Money? Well, he's making $700,000 here. Why move? GWS aren't going to pay that.

Longer contract? Why? For what purpose? Does he want to lock in a 4 year deal and then sit back and coast?

What is it? Why does he want to leave? I don't want to trade him because he plays a crucial role in our structure as a ruck/forward. But, the other side of me thinks he's being a whiney b*tch and should be traded to the Cleveland Browns.

Haha...ok, so I got a little carried away. This is the trade thread, right?

Wow, this is a whole new level of ranting.
Very impressive.

 

[Juddernaut08]

To answer the Lobb thing I’ve been wondering whether the club has been recommending he explore other options due to his generally lazy and lack lustre couple of years he’s provided the club . I really loved his 2018 efforts but he’s certainly gone stale from there .
My take could be total BS though

Darcy/Lobb has the potential to be just as good as Gawn/Jackson.

Having a dominant ruck duo + your midfield once all healthy can be devastating. Can understand why Freo don't want to let him go for cheap.

 

[Kram]

Would have prefered slightly more of course but trade is ok. A loss but it's not like we can't can cover him, let's put pick 6 to good use.

 

[freo99]

Aloof is a good description for mine. I have no doubt he is a decent young man however so I am not going to be too harsh on him.

My honest opinion of how he played for us was that he played within himself and was a bit of a bruise free player. Still a very good player however.

I’m thinking Adam is a bit on the shy side, this can come across as aloof.

 

[estibador]

LOL - in his first public airing in navy, Cerra comes out with "I can't wait to work with them".

He is definitely a strange unit and doesn't seem to get the emotional side of the game (or anything for that matter).

It's a bit like how he plays too - ticks all the boxes from a technical point of view but there's no passion behind it.

It's how I imagine Patrick Bateman would look as a player lol.

 

[Lach72]

It's a bit like how he plays too - ticks all the boxes from a technical point of view but there's no passion behind it.

It's how I imagine Patrick Bateman would look as a player lol.

Allthe “passion” in the world won’t make Andy Brayshaw a better kick than Cerra

 

[estibador]

Allthe “passion” in the world won’t make Andy Brayshaw a better kick than Cerra

It makes him someone I'd trust more to lift when we're down late in the 4th qtr though.

 

[Purple Jesus]

Allthe “passion” in the world won’t make Andy Brayshaw a better kick than Cerra

I know who I'd prefer to have, given the choice.

 

[wayToGo_]

Allthe “passion” in the world won’t make Andy Brayshaw a better kick than Cerra

Unless we are talking kicking at goals. Where Brayshaw was a heap better than Cerra this year.

 

[Paracleet]

Interesting thing about Cerra's kicking to me is I don't think his technique and accuracy are absolutely A1+. I'd argue he's not even the best kick mecnicalically in our side (Mundy and Crowden just for starters I think as pure kicks are better) and he actually scrubbers a non trivial amount of kicks too. BUT his decision making, speed of summing up options, his ability to see options and possibilities and angles. It's very close the best I've ever seen. I'm struggling to think of better.

 

[Paracleet]

Unless we are talking kicking at goals. Where Brayshaw was a heap better than Cerra this year.

Following on from my point, when he has too long to think about his kicks Cerra becomes decidedly human.

 

[brolga_]

LOL - in his first public airing in navy, Cerra comes out with "I can't wait to work with them".

He is definitely a strange unit and doesn't seem to get the emotional side of the game (or anything for that matter).

It's a bit weird hearing ppl get critical on Cerra's personality all of a sudden, now that he's leaving. I reckon the kid's done alright to handle some pretty intense scrutiny for the better half of a year and leave gracefully.

 

[Purple Jesus]

It's a bit weird hearing ppl get critical on Cerra's personality all of a sudden, now that he's leaving. I reckon the kid's done alright to handle some pretty intense scrutiny for the better half of a year and leave gracefully.

Bullshit. People have been criticising his personality since the moment we called out his name on draft night.

 

[Silversurfer]

Will miss him...now he is dead to me.

 

[oldgoat]

Allthe “passion” in the world won’t make Andy Brayshaw a better kick than Cerra

Have we forgotten Sandi?
Not a lot of passion on show there...But...lotta love