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List Mgmt. Pick 5 - What and whom...

Discussion in 'Fremantle' started by Gekko71, Aug 12, 2017.

Put it out there
  1. PurpleEyes

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    Given the number of players that are likely to be delisted prior to the 2017 draft, if Freo do use pick #5 on a KPF, and given Freo have no 2nd round pick, where do people think Freo are going to get the rest of the replacement players they need ... via 3rd,4th & 5th round picks and rookies?
    Sorry, but people are kidding themselves if they think Freo are going to use pick #5 without trading down.
     
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  2. Joao

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    I am a massive Brander fan, but he is no monster. Based on what I have seen, Jack Riewoldt might be the best comparison (but certainly not perfect).


    I am not sure how trading out Weller (a fast mid/for/def who is also a good kick) for ANOTHER KPD is good business. I would much rather just keep Weller and pick 5. Take Stephenson, Fogarty or whoever if we don't rate Brander or if he is not available.

    We might as well say we could use the second coming of Carey or Pav.

    I hope goal kicking mids are high on the priorities list as well.
     
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  3. Joao

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    We are missing ONE 2nd round pick which we already used to get Darcy (****ing good business if you ask me). Why are we suddenly doomed to not be able to fill our list? A touch over the top, don't you think?

    It takes 3-4 years to rebuild an old list. It doesn't all have to happen this year and frankly it won't. We will keep on several players that most here want cut. There is no need to panic and start trading probably the last or second last top 5 pick we will see for a while because we don't have a second rounder. That makes no sense.
     
  4. PurpleEyes

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    Actually, it makes perfect sense when you can use your first round pick to trade in a player plus get a 2nd round pick or trade it for 2 or more picks.

    Last year Freo had a cleaning out. 10 players left the list. Freo were able to replace those delisted by using their first round pick (#3) to trade, bringing in McCarthy and picks #7, #34 & #72. That together with other trades gave Freo 5 extra picks. In 2017 Freo will likely delist another 8 or more players. I don't think they will be getting many picks in return for those players leaving. Freo will have a far greater need for a quantity of picks rather than high picks.

    Time will tell.
     
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  5. apuchar

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    We might do another 2nd round swap with our second rounder next year to get into the second round this year. Freo like to start development as soon as possible. Depends on what we need for Carter next year and whether there is anything worth getting in the 2nd round this year
     
  6. Joao

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    It only makes sense if you think those two players have more impact than the one top 5 pick. I would much prefer the chance at the better player than settling for two likely lesser players. Do you think Melbourne would swap Salem and Tyson back for Josh Kelly? I suspect they might if given the opportunity.

    The hit rates on top 5 picks these days are good and continue to be much better than pick 15-20. We need more elite talent and this may be one of our last couple of chances at it. Absolute no brainer for me.

    Last year appears to be good business but the three key differences are:
    - We effectively got Cam for free because he sat out a whole year. That is clearly not repeatable. That GWS deal was massively in our favour because they wanted to get to McGrath/Taranto
    - We kept another top 10 pick
    - If you believe what our recruiters said, they would have taken Logue at 3 anyway.

    We would be very lucky to get such good deals this summer. If we can, then I am happy to do something similar. Essential that we keep a pick in the top 8-10 though.
     
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  7. Scham

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    I can't totally disregard Sam Hayes and watching Ben Brown dominate up forward today (even though the umps are giving a helping hand) makes me think if Hayes performs well in the combine testing he should be considered.
     
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    Yeah agree. He is one I think none of us would really rate but obviously the recruiters get a lot more looks at him than us.

    Wouldn't be good news for Ape and Nads though...
     
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    Will be very disappointed if freo get him .
     
  10. The Joker

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    Freo - Pick 5
    Adelaide - Jake Lever & Mich McGovern
    Western Bulldogs - Pick 9 & 26 (or future 2nd rounder)

    Freo - Mitch McGovern & Pick 9
    Adelaide - Pick 5 & 26
    Western Bulldogs - Jake Lever
     
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  11. Carnthedockers

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    Where does that leave apeness?
     

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  12. meima

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    Another half a year rehab .
     
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    Haha.
     
  14. apuchar

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    Ruck/forward
     
  15. Scham

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    It'd be lovely to have the luxury to be able to give him almost a full season of rehab to try and get him right but we're not in that position unfortunately.
     
  16. The Joker

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    Im just throwing things around, I'm sure Freo will go with what ever you think is best though...
     
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    Lets be honest apeness is nearly done. With Rookie list players able to play anytime next year more team will explore rookie list mature age or body players rather than use it on project player.
     
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  18. blue shark

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    Need to find more mature aged players, will be several that are in contention after combines. As for mids we have
    Blakey, Weller, Walters, Langdon to consider.
    Another Luke Ryan would be a better investment than Weller at HB.
    Players associated with us, McGovern, Fasolo, Matera, plus Shai Bolton if the home sickness rumour is true, someone
    Is on the cards.
    Good bet we will turn pick 5 into more, and still get someone who slides.
     
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  19. Scham

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    Yep, I can see him getting delisted either this year or next and then dominate for years at WAFL or VFL level.
     
  20. Cobbler

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    Just a tad favoured in our direction.
    Just a tad.
     
  21. The Joker

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    Clearly its based on both Lever and McGovern wanting out and should that happen then Freo are in complete control. Earlier people said it was to much to offer pick 5 for McGovern and Adelaides first pick and now it's favoured to much in Freos favour, what else can happen, a future first round pick swap and McGovern to Freo?
     
  22. maccamk

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    we are going to. We'd to trade out some quality with currency. I reckon lock stock and two smoking barrels....
     
  23. Wizard

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    Considering he has never shown anything to prove he can play consistently I wouldn't think it's particularly relevant.
     
  24. Carnthedockers

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    From memory Hogan spent his first couple of years injured as well. I bet Melbourne are glad they didnt give up on him.
     
  25. Tayl0r

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    It is interesting, Joel Hamling has played only 6 games less in total career games to Jesse Hogan.