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Pick 5 better not be a hope player. Our recruiters should know they're a gun.
If you look at pick 5 over the past 10 years I'm sure some are guns and others don't live up to expectation
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Pick 5 better not be a hope player. Our recruiters should know they're a gun.
Yeh. A player can be a gun in the underage competition and not develop as expected in the real McCoy.If you look at pick 5 over the past 10 years I'm sure some are guns and others don't live up to expectation
McGovern and 9 I like. Bulldogs get killed don't they?
Maybe; Pick 5 and swap 2018 2nd round picks for McGovern and 9.
If the assumption is that the clubs will have similar seasons next year to this year it is a significant upgrade for the Crows.
The other sticking point for me is the question of who we would be targeting at 9. If it is Naughton plus we are bringing in McGovern, I would suggest Cox should be in trade discussions. Crows would be looking for a Lever replacement and would be reeling from the loss of two interstate players. I would take pick 26 for Cox in your scenario. It is essentially a different trade but one the kind Adelaide would be looking for.
OUT
Freo - Pick 5 & 2018 2nd, Cox
Adelaide - Jake Lever & Pick 35, Pick 9 & Mich McGovern & 2018 2nd,
Western Bulldogs - Pick 9 & 26 (or future 2nd rounder)
IN
Freo - Mitch McGovern & Pick 9 & Crows 2018 2nd Round, Pick 26 (for Cox)
Adelaide - Pick 5 & Fremantle 2018 2nd Round, Pick 26 (ontraded from Bulldogs to Fremantle), Cox
Western Bulldogs - Jake Lever, Pick 35
Why you keep throwing Cox name out for trade ?The other sticking point for me is the question of who we would be targeting at 9. If it is Naughton plus we are bringing in McGovern, I would suggest Cox should be in trade discussions. Crows would be looking for a Lever replacement and would be reeling from the loss of two interstate players. I would take pick 26 for Cox in your scenario. It is essentially a different trade but one the kind Adelaide would be looking for.
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Freo - Pick 5 & 2018 2nd, Cox
Adelaide - Jake Lever & Pick 35, Pick 9 & Mich McGovern & 2018 2nd,
Western Bulldogs - Pick 9 & 26 (or future 2nd rounder)
IN
Freo - Mitch McGovern & Pick 9 & Crows 2018 2nd Round, Pick 26 (for Cox)
Adelaide - Pick 5 & Fremantle 2018 2nd Round, Pick 26 (ontraded from Bulldogs to Fremantle), Cox
Western Bulldogs - Jake Lever, Pick 35
mcgovern instead. probably doesn't think we will need both.Why you keep throwing Cox name out for trade ?
Still trading out a player just drafted is not a good outlook for the club. Don't get me wrong I like Mitch to come to freo but not at any cause , especially this kind of treatment to a first year player is unacceptable.mcgovern instead. probably doesn't think we will need both.
If you look at pick 5 over the past 10 years I'm sure some are guns and others don't live up to expectation
Pick 5 - Best* (>5) - [Freos pick >5]
Will Setterfield - Sean Darcy (38) - [Logue]
Darcy Parish - Eric Hipwood (14) - [Tucker]
Jordan DeGoey - Jake Lever (14) - [Weller]
Kade Kolojashnij - Zac Merrett (26) - [Apeness]
Jake Stringer - Olli Wines (7) - [Simpson]
Matt Buntine - Toby Green (11) - [Sheridan]
Jared Polec - Luke Parker (40) - [Pitt]
Ben Cunnington - Nathan Fyfe (20) - [Fyfe]
Michael Hurley - Dayne Beams (29) - [Ballantyne]
Jarrad Grant - Patrick Dangerfield (10) - [Palmer]
* My opinion doesn't make it fact!
agree. He looks a really good talent.Still trading out a player just drafted is not a good outlook for the club. Don't get me wrong I like Mitch to come to freo but not at any cause , especially this kind of treatment to a first year player is unacceptable.
p.s. Your buddy had a good game yesterday in the ruck. He's a terrific size for a 19 yr old.agree. He looks a really good talent.
Ugh the Parker miss for Pitt makes me feel even worse about that draft! ******* hell Freo!!
I don't think we should, but if we are bringing in Naughton and McGovern then someone isn't going to be getting a game. Especially with Naughton looking like he can play sooner rather than later. I would be shocked if Adelaide don't ask for him if they lose two talls. Someone is surplus.Why exactly would we trade Cox who is a promising tall, for a second round pick
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The trade period end before the draft start. How can you guarantee other club won't look at naughton before freo downgrade pick?I don't think we should, but if we are bringing in Naughton and McGovern then someone isn't going to be getting a game. Especially with Naughton looking like he can play sooner rather than later. I would be shocked if Adelaide don't ask for him if they lose two talls. Someone is surplus.
Neale, Blakely, Walters.. ?If one really good midfielder will free up Fyfe to CHF more often then he could be worth his weight in gold.
totally. But that doesn't mean pick 5 couldn't be traded. For me, a lot depends on who the club wants as our first choice and where they think they can take them. With he likelihood of a big list turnover they will need to be creative.It's way too high. McGovern is not worth pick 5. Let's calm down a second, yeh he takes a good grab.. but it's pick 5 ffs! We could land ourselves a super A grade player at that pick.
At pick nine there are plenty of other decent options. Did you think that the club would go into the draft with only one option for a pick? Hayes, Coffield, Fogarty. Happy days. But I can't recall any deny one suggesting he would go before then. But could happen.The trade period end before the draft start. How can you guarantee other club won't look at naughton before freo downgrade pick?
The trade period end before the draft start. How can you guarantee other club won't look at naughton before freo downgrade pick?
Getting second rd pick for Cox just incase naughton is available just don't make any sense. There Is no different as trading tucker out to get pick 16 or 17 . ( If he did not ask to be trade back home) .I think some clubs, in the incestuous trading to club b, who trades to club c, who trades to club d, who trades back to a, give gentlemans agreements and I think that was pretty obvious with our downgrading and getting Logue last year.
That will fill in a picture of some of the drafting, some of it's obvious - club z with 1st pick needs a gun midfielder and the best pick is a gun midfielder from that clubs state (or better yet a supporter). Clubs then only have a few blanks left to make an educated guess, but list needs are obvious and any player restrictions - e.g. only going to play in Adelaide (Wingard example), risks associated with a player are usually known so they may be a gun on the field but no one will touch them (dodgy knee from 2 reconstructions, is a bit punchy on the ground or has a conviction etc).
No ironclad guarantees, but the first 10 draft picks would see clubs having worked out in advance and usually getting either their first or second choice that they think their draft position merits. I think that with any gentlemans agreements etc that clubs would honour them as a failure to do so would mean that clubs don't do elaborate swapsies of picks with you in the future - and it's a handy thing to have.
I was more impressed with Davies-Uniake than Cerra but most Tac watches like CerraA) In what world is trading Cox, a 18 year old KPD/KPF who has shown genuine ability, for a second round pick a good idea?
B) I'd love Brander but i think we'll simply go best available. We have quantity, not quality in KPF's which makes it difficult from a list management perspective when we have a lot of other dead wood through the middle that needs delisting. It also probably means we try to break up pick 5 since we have so many holes to fill.
C) Its shaping up to be a great year to have a pick 5. The top 5 odd picks are almost indistinguishable. We are guaranteed one of Brander, Dow, Cerra, Rayner, Stephenson
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I knew i was missing one of them, could also add FogartyI was more impressed with Davies-Uniake than Cerra but most Tac watches like Cerra
Yes to both.
I don't think we should, but if we are bringing in Naughton and McGovern then someone isn't going to be getting a game. Especially with Naughton looking like he can play sooner rather than later. I would be shocked if Adelaide don't ask for him if they lose two talls. Someone is surplus.