List Mgmt. Pick 9

[Blue__Balls]

Im quite happy with my generalisation that midfielders taller than 192cm are slow and therefor, you can't have too many. Im quite happy with the ones we have, who are not fast and adding another is crazy imo.

Work with me here.

As at Round 1 2020
Cripps - 25yo
Setterfield - 22yo
Kemp - 18yo

In 2020 - Kemp is still rehabbing his ACL, and returns through the VFL very late in the season.
In 2021 - Kemp continues to develop through the VFL, potentially getting opportunities in the seniors when injury allows.
In 2022 - Kemp transitions to the senior side, playing as a taller utility (can play down back, up forward, and rotate through the midfield).
In 2023 - Cripps is 28 and probably spending longer stints in the forward line, Setterfield is 25 and the new Cripps/Bont hybrid, and Kemp shifts to a more midfield-heavy role.

A lot can change in 4 years, and players do get injured. I don't think a third elite "tall mid" is an issue, if anything, the spread of ages probably makes it a smart move either this season or next.

That being said, plenty hinges on who else is available and what trade options we have. There are certainly other areas of need that could be addressed first, but we don't want to be reaching too far for a certain type, and there may not be a conveniently positioned club open to trading with us to split our pick.

 

[blue_trinity]

Work with me here.

As at Round 1 2020
Cripps - 25yo
Setterfield - 22yo
Kemp - 18yo

In 2020 - Kemp is still rehabbing his ACL, and returns through the VFL very late in the season.
In 2021 - Kemp continues to develop through the VFL, potentially getting opportunities in the seniors when injury allows.
In 2022 - Kemp transitions to the senior side, playing as a taller utility (can play down back, up forward, and rotate through the midfield).
In 2023 - Cripps is 28 and probably spending longer stints in the forward line, Setterfield is 25 and the new Cripps/Bont hybrid, and Kemp shifts to a more midfield-heavy role.

A lot can change in 4 years, and players do get injured. I don't think a third elite "tall mid" is an issue, if anything, the spread of ages probably makes it a smart move either this season or next.

That being said, plenty hinges on who else is available and what trade options we have. There are certainly other areas of need that could be addressed first, but we don't want to be reaching too far for a certain type, and there may not be a conveniently positioned club open to trading with us to split our pick.

Versatility is key. There’s no reason you couldn’t play kemp fwd (in a Fyfe/yeo mould) or down back (Sicily/Francis) and if someone is out injured or the structures allow it, through the midfield (yeo/bont)

Kemp is not a good at everything, master of none utility. He is genuinely elite and makes do in most positions by way of talent and athleticism.

 

[Bamboo Harvester]

Was Selwood an ACL though?

Probably not popular opinion in this thread but I like the look of weightman. There can still be busts in the top 10...looks like he has power and skill and a good mix of talent and drive to be an AFL footballer.

Weightman or Stephens for our list.

There's talk of Melbourne picking up Weightman at pick 8 due to their lack of small forwards....if they pass on him, the Woofers will grab him at 13.

Also talk of Jackson getting snapped up by Freo at pick at pick 7 - local boy, best ruckman in the draft.

 

[ABigOlDoofus]

Thinking of Brodie keep... can anyone name someone who has done a knee in the under 18s and turned out to be a gun and have a long career?

Our very own Will Setterfield is tracking pretty well. Very early days though.

 

[AT97]

There's talk of Melbourne picking up Weightman at pick 8 due to their lack of small forwards....if they pass on him, the Woofers will grab him at 13.

Also talk of Jackson getting snapped up by Freo at pick at pick 7 - local boy, best ruckman in the draft.

yesterday I heard andy Maher on sen say the talk amongst recruiters was that melbourne were contemplating taking the ruckman Jackson at either 3 or 8. The discussion revolved around whether taking a ruckman early was a good idea.

 

[AT97]

for those in the know regrading this draft is macguiness (hawk father/son) worth a bid at our selection? Combine results fantastic, podcasts I listened to suggested improvement throughout the year was significant, good size etc

 

[DangerousD]

Considering Kennedy is borderline best 22, I’d agree. Setterfield not so much.

But the argument isn’t whether he would push anyone out of the team, it’s whether a team can be effective with a tall midfield isn’t it?

That’s true, just my opinion, that 3 really big mids is too many, but, team balance would need to be considered, if we didn’t have the key talls that we do, then it might be ok as you might be able to rotate the big mids through the forward line, at times this year, I thought we were already too tall up forward as it is.

We will see what happens, more than happy to get behind any player we draft and hopefully we and they do well.

 

[DangerousD]

Work with me here.

As at Round 1 2020
Cripps - 25yo
Setterfield - 22yo
Kemp - 18yo

In 2020 - Kemp is still rehabbing his ACL, and returns through the VFL very late in the season.
In 2021 - Kemp continues to develop through the VFL, potentially getting opportunities in the seniors when injury allows.
In 2022 - Kemp transitions to the senior side, playing as a taller utility (can play down back, up forward, and rotate through the midfield).
In 2023 - Cripps is 28 and probably spending longer stints in the forward line, Setterfield is 25 and the new Cripps/Bont hybrid, and Kemp shifts to a more midfield-heavy role.

A lot can change in 4 years, and players do get injured. I don't think a third elite "tall mid" is an issue, if anything, the spread of ages probably makes it a smart move either this season or next.

That being said, plenty hinges on who else is available and what trade options we have. There are certainly other areas of need that could be addressed first, but we don't want to be reaching too far for a certain type, and there may not be a conveniently positioned club open to trading with us to split our pick.

I’m defiantly not wanting the club to reach, your timeline might be accurate but I don’t think many clubs are using a top 10 pick and thinking the selection will be playing VFL in their second year and transitioning in their third but it happens.
As well as not wanting Kemp for his size, I don’t want to pick him due to him just doing his knee, I see it as too big of a risk.

Many on this board poo pooed recruiting Tomlinson as a free agent, he’s a tall utility, for being too tall and us having other needs, I’m not sure why recruiting Kemp is different.

 

[Blue__Balls]

yesterday I heard andy Maher on sen say the talk amongst recruiters was that melbourne were contemplating taking the ruckman Jackson at either 3 or 8. The discussion revolved around whether taking a ruckman early was a good idea.

Suppose if they're real keen on him, they might be nervous about Freo pinching him at 7.

Lends weight to the pick swap with GWS theory.

3 and future second for 6 and GWS future first. Gets Melbourne back into the first round next year, and puts them in a really good spot to land their two supposed preferences.

1 - GC - Rowell
2 - GC - Anderson
3 - GWS - Young
4 - ADE - Flanders
5 - GWS - Green (match Sydney)
6 - SYD - Serong
7 - MEL - Jackson
8 - FRE - Ash/Stephens/Robertson
9 - MEL - Weightman
10 - CAR - Kemp/Ash/Stephens/Robertson/Williams/Rivers?

 

[JuddgementDay]

Nice list
Top 10/ Pick 9 - just keep it simple and get the best available

 

[Newton Blues]

Conversely, how many top 10 picks who have done a knee prior to being selected have turned into duds?

There still hasn’t been a name of a player... Selwood wasn’t a ACL. Players doing knees rarely come back the same. Are very likely to do them again. GODDARD about the only player I can think of doing one and still turned out a gun. His was later in his career though.

 

[Macca43]

Suppose if they're real keen on him, they might be nervous about Freo pinching him at 7.

Lends weight to the pick swap with GWS theory.

3 and future second for 6 and GWS future first. Gets Melbourne back into the first round next year, and puts them in a really good spot to land their two supposed preferences.

1 - GC - Rowell
2 - GC - Anderson
3 - GWS - Young
4 - ADE - Flanders
5 - GWS - Green (match Sydney)
6 - SYD - Serong
7 - MEL - Jackson
8 - FRE - Ash/Stephens/Robertson
9 - MEL - Weightman
10 - CAR - Kemp/Ash/Stephens/Robertson/Williams/Rivers?

I know next to nothing about the players in this draft but if I would like us to prioritise speed and ball use, either going for a winger or a small forward.

I think in this day and age you can easily end up like a North, St Kilda or Melbourne and have a midfield full of big bodies but is all one paced.

 

[LemmingMaster]

for those in the know regrading this draft is macguiness (hawk father/son) worth a bid at our selection? Combine results fantastic, podcasts I listened to suggested improvement throughout the year was significant, good size etc

I was updating my board and this is what I wrote, not sure I will complete it.

9. Hawks - Maginnes - He is almost the perfect player Carlton could consider. Elite running inside midfielder with solid skills. As the year progressed, he improved and that is a good sign for me. Players that improve in their draft year are a big tick for me. I would be shocked if the Hawks did not match the bid. The Hawks may want to consider swapping picks to ensure they get their man and also another pick in the top 10. Not sure how legal it is in the drafting world, but Carlton could have a quiet word in the Hawks ear.

 

[Blue__Balls]

I know next to nothing about the players in this draft but if I would like us to prioritise speed and ball use, either going for a winger or a small forward.

I think in this day and age you can easily end up like a North, St Kilda or Melbourne and have a midfield full of big bodies but is all one paced.

From the bits and pieces I've seen and read, Stephens is that man. And I think there's a very real chance he's both available and well suited to our selection at 9/10. Only question mark would be his SA heritage and whether there are any go-home concerns, especially given Adelaide and Port are entering rebuild territory and may be headhunting local players at the end of their initial draft contracts.

Looks a pretty good draft for us given our specific needs, we'll have some options.

 

[LemmingMaster]

From the bits and pieces I've seen and read, Stephens is that man. And I think there's a very real chance he's both available and well suited to our selection at 9/10. Only question mark would be his SA heritage and whether there are any go-home concerns, especially given Adelaide and Port are entering rebuild territory and may be headhunting local players at the end of their initial draft contracts.

Looks a pretty good draft for us given our specific needs, we'll have some options.

I have a feeling that Stephens will be gone before our pick.

Secondly, Stephens is a country boy miles out of SA. Not really sure the pull for SA would be as large. In saying that, having him running down a wing would look good. I am getting concerns that we have picked a number of smaller sized mids in Fischer and SPS.. I think we may need a little more bulk.

 

[Chewy on your bootsma]

I have a feeling that Stephens will be gone before our pick.

Secondly, Stephens is a country boy miles out of SA. Not really sure the pull for SA would be as large. In saying that, having him running down a wing would look good. I am getting concerns that we have picked a number of smaller sized mids in Fischer and SPS.. I think we may need a little more bulk.

I think I remember hearing somewhere that he’s a Carlton supporter so you would think he would stay

 

[Blue__Balls]

I have a feeling that Stephens will be gone before our pick.

Secondly, Stephens is a country boy miles out of SA. Not really sure the pull for SA would be as large. In saying that, having him running down a wing would look good. I am getting concerns that we have picked a number of smaller sized mids in Fischer and SPS.. I think we may need a little more bulk.

Who is the threat before our pick? Freo? Melbourne look like they're going a different direction, and I wouldn't have thought Stephens would feature in the top 5.

He's a pretty different profile to Fisher and SPS, yeah? Seems like he'd be a worthy successor to Murphy as a balanced, hard running mid with an outside lean. Much as I love what I've seen of Kemp, I really think Stephens might be the better needs pick (and comes without the shadow of an ACL).

Future 22 without any other recruitments (bar Martin...):

Plowman, Jones, Weitering
Docherty, Marchbank, SPS
Walsh, Setterfield, Stephens
TDK, Cripps, Dow
Martin, Curnow, Fisher
Cuningham, McKay, McGovern
I/C: Silvagni, O'Brien, Stocker, Williamson

Mature body options in Curnow, Newman, Pittonet, Gibbons, Kennedy.

Looks pretty balanced

 

[blue_trinity]

From the bits and pieces I've seen and read, Stephens is that man. And I think there's a very real chance he's both available and well suited to our selection at 9/10. Only question mark would be his SA heritage and whether there are any go-home concerns, especially given Adelaide and Port are entering rebuild territory and may be headhunting local players at the end of their initial draft contracts.

Looks a pretty good draft for us given our specific needs, we'll have some options.

Only if the afl introduce a team in Mildura

 

[Blue__Balls]

Only if the afl introduce a team in Mildura

We do seem to like our country lads. Think I've locked in my preferred player.

 

[windows1]

Was Selwood an ACL though?

Probably not popular opinion in this thread but I like the look of weightman. There can still be busts in the top 10...looks like he has power and skill and a good mix of talent and drive to be an AFL footballer.

Weightman or Stephens for our list.

B Ratten did one when he was about 18. I think.

 

[Blue__Balls]

B Ratten did one when he was about 18. I think.

And now look at him - coaching St Kilda! Huge bust!

 

[Gethelred]

Thinking of Brodie keep... can anyone name someone who has done a knee in the under 18s and turned out to be a gun and have a long career?

Joel Selwood. Did his knee half way through his draft year, forcing him to have surgery (his fourth on that particular knee, too) in July.

It's why he slid to Geelong's pick in 2006.

 

[BluesRule]

Matt "better than Walsh" Rowell?

Shocking

Rowell loves the Blues. Hope we get him in 3-4 years time and THEN he becomes elite....

 

[GT619]

I think I remember hearing somewhere that he’s a Carlton supporter so you would think he would stay

yeah he’s a blue supporter

 

[smashbox gill]

Wouldn’t mind an aggressive midfielder who tackles with intent. I’ve heard Robertson may be that player