List Mgmt. Pick 9

[HARKER]

Geez Serong divides opinion. A few of the media draft experts (including Bishop) rate him at 4, and a few on here have big knocks on him.

He would seem to be the right type for us. Will be interesting to see where he goes, and how he turns out.

Bishop and Sheehan - I'd go that way.

Serong doesn't make for a traditional type high pick, but then again neither was Ainsworth when he broks that mould a few year back.

Maybe Serong will not make it to what we see Aisnowrth becoming, but he may not have to. He just has to be good enough and one piece of our puzzle.

 

[TerryWallet]

Thanks for the feedback Terry! Glad you were able to get something out of it.

Also since I didn't write about it since we're not getting him, I rate Henry as the pick of the small forwards and he would comfortably fit into Tier 1 of my rankings. His poise and silky skills are absurd for someone of his age, and the only reason he didn't dominate is because of his size, which obviously will become less of an issue the more AFL level pre-seasons he has. Would be close to my first pick at 9.

I'm a touch polarised on Henry. He is very talented, silky and damaging but i'm a touch concerned on his competitiveness.

It's why i would have Kossie right up there alongside him. It's an intangible that i rate highly. I'm not condemning Henry by any means, it's just a little concern in the back of my head after watching him. Henry has got the scope to play from wing to forward pocket though. Kossie and Weightman are the real small forwards in my eye, where as Henry more an outside runner/ playmaker and Serong a bit of a utility who i can see either making it as a good solid valuable component player or just not quite good enough anywhere on the ground at a good AFL club.

 

[Mr_Plow]

Dylan Stephens is nice.

 

[GT619]

Why are we trading our first rounder

 

[gandaal]

Dylan Stephens is nice.

Yes. Ash and Kemp are nice too.

 

[gandaal]

Why are we trading our first rounder

Because we want to pick up Williams, Gould, Taheny and Rivers later on.

 

[Jay23]

Have a sneaky suspicion that if a player Geelong is after is available at pick 9 will do a swap for pick 14 and 24.


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[Mr_Plow]

Yes. Ash and Kemp are nice too.

Will watch one tomorrow and the other on Tuesday.

Will report back.

 

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

Geez Serong divides opinion. A few of the media draft experts (including Bishop) rate him at 4, and a few on here have big knocks on him.

He would seem to be the right type for us. Will be interesting to see where he goes, and how he turns out.

Every time I read an article or write up on Serong, I cant seem to stop likening him to Jade Gresham.

In 2015 SOS was very keen on Jade, so given the similarities... perhaps he also likes Serong? (I make this call without knowing anything about Serong’s personally).

Having said that, I’ve always felt that we recruited Fisher the year after to play the role that we would have had in mind for Jade had he fallen to #19.

 

[GT619]

Because we want to pick up Williams, Gould, Taheny and Rivers later on.

interesting

 

[gandaal]

interesting

Not really. It's the Pokemon effect. Unfortunately we can't catch them all.

If we do trade it'll because we think our guy will be available later, and we want a 2nd round pick to grab someone else.

 

[bmaurizio]

One of Serong, Henry or Robertson with pick 9 would do nicely.

Yes any other the 3 youngsters mentioned would be fine contributors to the team in a few year’s time.

 

[ferrisb]

Ash and Kemp are nice too.

Will watch one tomorrow and the other on Tuesday.

Will report back.

And this is why you can wait for weeks for a doctor's appointment....

 

[Mr_Plow]

And this is why you can wait for weeks for a doctor's appointment....

Managed to find an opening this evening for Ash, unusually .

Guy is also real nice. Has the ability to hit targets at close to full speed with a penetrating kick to the chest, a very handy trait. Blazed away a bit and sold himself into trouble a few times, which happens when one plays that aggressive game style.

He's no doubt a great fit for us, comes in physically strong and would be able to play senior football early, capable of winning contested and uncontested ball. Leadership qualities and all that jazz.

On limited viewing, I prefer Stephens for his offensive impact, midfield-scope, and despite being rawer physically, has strong exposed form at state senior level.

 

[Eiffel 65]

Have a sneaky suspicion that if a player Geelong is after is available at pick 9 will do a swap for pick 14 and 24.


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If we did trade with Geelong, I would much rather us push for pick 14 and GFC 2020 1st rounder.

I know people are saying next years draft is heavily compromised, but a future 1st gives us more options to trade for elite talent or package our 2020 first with another 2020 first to try and move up into the top 4-5 picks whilst still retaining a first rounder this year.

 

[ferrisb]

On limited viewing, I prefer Stephens to Ash for his offensive impact, midfield-scope, and despite being rawer physically, has strong exposed form at state senior level.

I'm driver AND conductor of the Stephens train.

But also see how Ash would be a very nice fit for us.

 

[Mr_Plow]

I'm driver AND conductor of the Stephens train.

But also see how Ash would be a very nice fit for us.

I am on board, for now.

Will provide more 1v1 preferences in the coming days/weeks/months...

 

[bmaurizio]

Because we want to pick up Williams, Gould, Taheny and Rivers later on.

Now wouldn't that be a big bag full.
If only 2 of the youngsters tuo mention fulfill their expected potential, well we would have smashed the 2019 draft.

 

[JuddgementDay]

Have a sneaky suspicion that if a player Geelong is after is available at pick 9 will do a swap for pick 14 and 24.


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I think we'll take that in this draft in a heart beat!

 

[windows1]

I'm driver AND conductor of the Stephens train.

But also see how Ash would be a very nice fit for us.

I just have a sneaky negative watch on Stephens’ hands. Just. Not. Certain. About them.

 

[MileHigh]

Melbourne stands to benefit from draft position with both their 1st rounders IMO. I predict they will trade pick 3 for GWS pick 6 plus overs (eg. GWS next year's 1st) so GWS can get Green before a bid and then swap pick 6 for Freos pick 10 plus overs (eg. Next year's first) so Freo can get Henry before a bid. Actually would mean we wouldn't end up going until pick 12 overall.

 

[fnm_just a man]

If we can downgrade for 2 picks that could net us Schoenberg and someone else like a Pickett, Gould etc, I’d be all for that.

I’ve followed it a lot less this year but Schoenberg looks the goods from my limited viewing. No one who is tipped to be available at 9 looking any better so far.


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[Kreuz Control]

So, with the draft a little over a week away, I thought I'd give my two cents on what I think we should do with pick 9. Obviously there is the chance we split pick 9 into 2 firsts, but that's too many scenarios to account for so I'll pretend like we're not going to do any live trades.

Before I begin, let me make some things clear. I am NOT an avid draft watcher. My opinions are based on the footage I have seen (U/18 champs and highlight reels), and the filtered opinions of others I trust. There are many more qualified people in this thread, as well as in the main draft thread that you should probably trust more than me.

That being said, I'd like to think despite my name I'm not a complete idiot, and that I have an ok eye for all things footy, so I feel my opinion carries some weight, however much weight it carries is up to you.

So as for my rankings, what I've done is split the players that could be available and that I think we should be looking at into tiers, and then I'll write a quick blurb about why I think we should consider said player, and why I've put them in that tier.

Without further adieu, let's get stuck in.

TIER 1: Please, please pick these players

- DYLAN STEPHENS

Dylan Stephens is probably my favourite prospect in this draft (note I said favourite, not best). He has all the qualities you want in a wingman; beautiful disposal, breakaway speed, high level endurance, and good defensive work ethic. Not only that, he has shown he has some inside nous, his hands in traffic and the timing on his handball releases really surprised me with how good they were. The only thing holding him back from playing inside at the moment is his frame and size, which after a few pre-seasons under AR shouldn't be a problem. Checks every box for me. CEILING: Andrew Gaff

- DEVEN ROBERTSON

I love Deven Robertson, he's the full package when it comes to inside mid. He's strong, quick, tough as nails, knows how to track the pill, and like Walsh before him rarely has a bad game. He's also by all accounts a fantastic leader, which you can never have too many of. Yes, his kicking is an issue, and yes, we do already have a lot of similar players already developing, but I think he's too good of a talent to pass up if he's there at 9. Another knock I've seen on him is that he doesn't have that high of a ceiling, which does not matter at all to a up and coming club like ours with most of the puzzle pieces in place, and we've seen what can happen when you over-think ceiling with the Worpels of the world. Fantastic prospect any club would be lucky to have. CEILING: Joel Selwood/Lachie Neale

TIER 2: Fantastic players who I'd love to have

- LACHIE ASH

As much as we love to hate the scum, pretty much every team in the league would love to have Adam Saad dashing off half back for them, and Lachie Ash is Saad with better disposal. He is one of the better kicks in the draft, and can roost it too, which is exactly what we need since we seemed to struggle transitioning from defence to offence last year. My concerns with Ash are that when he goes for a run, it can often lead to turnovers either by not slowing down enough and butchering the kick, or by running himself into trouble and being caught with the ball. Someone I'd be very happy to hear us read out at 9. CEILING: HBF Chris Yarran/Adam Saad

- BRODIE KEMP

Of all the prospects I'll talk about in this post, Kemp by far has the highest ceiling. As far as I'm concerned, his ceiling is Dangerfield/Bontempelli levels, a dominant mid who is also incredible as a medium forward. However, the reason he is only tier 2 is because his floor is very, very low, he is the negative-zone Deven Robertson. The question marks surrounding his ability as mid, compounded with his ACL injury means he could very well never amount to anything meaningful at AFL level. However, like I mentioned before, his versatility, goal kicking ability, explosive burst, and fantastic hands means he could very well end up the best player from this draft. CEILING: Patrick Dangerfield/Marcus Bontempelli (if he develops into a mid), Tim Membrey (if he doesn't develop into a mid)

- CALEB SERONG

I've already given my thoughts on Serong in this thread (https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/pick-9.1230905/page-56#post-63647200), so the TL;DR is Caleb will at the very least be a very good small forward, but lacks a real weapon for him to be a good midfielder at AFL level. CEILING: Tom Papley (if he doesn't develop into a full time mid), Dayne Zorko (if he does develop into a mid)


- LUKE JACKSON

Like Kemp, Luke Jackson could end up being the best player in this draft. A modern ruckman in the Brodie Grundy mould (and the Krooz mould ofc), Jackson acts as an extra midfielder once the ball hits the deck, and with his excellent agility and mobility for his size he is incredibly effective in this role. Not only that, he is also very effective resting forward, as he is a great mark and good set shot on goal. One of the best prospects in this draft, but he's only tier 2 since he's not a position of need with the club going forward with TDK as our ruck of the future. CEILING: Brodie Grundy/Matthew Kreuzer

TIER 3: Great players that fit positions of need, but would be a reach at 9

- CODY WEIGHTMAN

Cody Weightman is probably the best small forward not named Serong or Henry in this draft. He has x-factor in spades, and has fantastic goal-kicking nous. He is aggressive and tenacious when attacking the ball, and once he gets it he is quick and evasive to give himself enough space to work some small forward magic. I personally wouldn't pick him at 9, but since we're so desperately needing a small forward I would't absolutely hate the pick either. CEILING: Jamie Elliot

- KYSAIAH PICKETT

Kossie is probably my favourite pure small forward in the draft, if you looked up the definition of x-factor in the dictionary you'd find a picture of him. His athleticism is off the charts and he uses it to turn games on their head. He is a very low possession - high impact player, which is perfect for our super tall forward line. He also provides incredible defensive pressure which Teague would love. My only concern of his is that he can disappear from games sometimes, and that his endurance isn't the greatest (however AR can fix that quick smart). I like him so much that I'd probably prefer to turn pick 9 into 2 firsts and use one on him, however I don't like him enough to use pick 9 by itself on him. CEILING: Cyril Rioli


So there we have it, my opinion on some prospects that are in the conversation for pick 9. I'd love to hear what you think, whether you agree or disagree etc. all feedback and discussion is greatly appreciated!

Very well done!

 

[swuzzlebubble]

Melbourne stands to benefit from draft position with both their 1st rounders IMO. I predict they will trade pick 3 for GWS pick 6 plus overs (eg. GWS next year's 1st) so GWS can get Green before a bid and then swap pick 6 for Freos pick 10 plus overs (eg. Next year's first) so Freo can get Henry before a bid. Actually would mean we wouldn't end up going until pick 12 overall.

Melbourne could do quite well.
Don't think GWS can afford the above but they will be looking to do something.
I wouldn't rule out them trading down to 9 as windows1 suggested recently.
Freo could upgrade 10 to 8 to get ahead of us, or do a deal with us which might cost less.

 

[windows1]

McAsey makes things interesting. I don’t think he should make it outside the top 10. The draft just isnt strong enough to overlook a key defender who looks pretty reliable.

But circumstances make it fascinating because I’d say Melb and Freo would really want a runner (Ash/Stephens). And we don’t want a KPp. Which puts the Hawks in the box seat....but others are apparently keen. Those others will have to get above the Hawks, who I doubt will trade up (would lose too many points for a bid on Maginess).

Which leaves the logical scenario being: two live trades.

Blues bid on Henry. Freo trade 10 down with GC for 15 and 20. The second pick being higher and the total points is the best outcome for Freo. 15 on its own basically matches Henry and they are left with 20 (from GC) and 22 (their own). That’s a better outcome than they could get trading with Cats (second pick would be 24).

Freo then match bid with their newly acquired 15. Cats then offer us 14 and 24 to get ahead of Hawks. Unless Stephens is there we take it. Cats take McAsey at 10. We knew they’d do that. 3 live picks until our 14.

We take it unless Stephens drops to us. They take McAsey.

The spanner in the works is GWS. I just don’t see them keeping 6. So they either trade up with Adelaide throwing future first in and for whatever weird reason both clubs are ok with that (bad for both in my view). Or more likely - gWS having missed on their real target and reason for trading up to 6 (Jackson) trade back down.....with GC. Thereby stuffing up my theory above!

Do GC offer 15 and next years 11 to trump all parties and get 6? Pretty amazing haul for GWS to only use 15 and 40 on Green, and come out of it with 11 next year, keeping their first next year. And why wouldn’t GC? Pick up 3 kids inside 6, using a gifted pick to do so.

Arrrgghhh

So, that’s what happens. In my humble view. And therefore presents a very interesting problem for Freo. Because the Cats would rather our 9 than their 10. And if the GC trade down is gone, then who does Freo trade down with if a bid comes for Henry? All of which I suspect gets sorted with a bit of draft tampering...

Just mind blowing stuff!