List Mgmt. Pick 9

[ParapMarkets]

Dylan or Cooper?

I’ve got nothing to back it up but I feel as though we will pick Cooper Stephens if we trade down. If we traded with GC for 15 & 20 we would need to use 15 on him, it sounds like Richmond are keen.

 

[goreds]

What did targeting Cogs have to do with missing out on Wines?

I would have thought the Papley hunt was the key factor in that as we didn't have the currency for both?

It was about getting a 'mid' and Cogs was that mid, until the AFL chipped in! Wines was getable but we will never know now.

Once we lost the Cog deal we stopped looking for a mid. Probably a personal decision, Wines or Paps..!

 

[swuzzlebubble]

Can guarantee that Stephens will not make it to Carlton. Top 6 lock.

Young is a chance. Fingers crossed.

Crows?

 

[Ollo]

It was about getting a 'mid' and Cogs was that mid, until the AFL chipped in! Wines was getable but we will never know now.

Once we lost the Cog deal we stopped looking for a mid. Probably a personal decision, Wines or Paps..!

Thanks for the response.

Not an easy decision to make given there was a situation in which we got both Cogs and Papley and looked a whole lot strong for it. Ah well.

I do like Wines and think he would be a good get. Any chance he becomes available again next year?

 

[smashbox gill]

TheRedPill if thats the case then looks like McAsey slips and the trade offers come

 

[Blue__Balls]

It was about getting a 'mid' and Cogs was that mid, until the AFL chipped in! Wines was getable but we will never know now.

Once we lost the Cog deal we stopped looking for a mid. Probably a personal decision, Wines or Paps..!

Complete guess.

 

[iAsbestos]

Serong come on downnnnnnnnnnn

 

[murphster]

So if we didn’t swap picks with crows last year to get stocker we would have pick 3-4 in this draft. I know there were other benefits for doing that swap but as a what if exercise...which player would we have likely picked if we did not do the swap last year?

Probably Ash, Young or Flanders

 

[Omega Blue]

I like the look of Dylan Williams, if we trade out of pick 9, I'd be happy to nab him.

 

[murphster]

Why would any club offer those 2 picks for pick 9. There doesn’t appear to be anything special available at pick 9? Serong etc look ok but I doubt clubs will offer 2 slightly lower picks for 1 slightly higher pick. Maybe if we had a top 5 pick to offer.

I can almost guarantee you they will if McAsey is still available, also GC have already offered 15 & 20 for 9.

 

[iAsbestos]

Probably Ash, Young or Flanders

No biggie imo

Stocker and Stephens/Serong or Just one of Ash, Flanders, Young.

We won the Stocker trade period.

 

[Stamos]

So if we didn’t swap picks with crows last year to get stocker we would have pick 3-4 in this draft. I know there were other benefits for doing that swap but as a what if exercise...which player would we have likely picked if we did not do the swap last year?

Young (educated guess)

 

[murphster]

Yep. I think he’s terrific. Not perfect. Would like him ever so slightly cleaner. But he’s no Jordan Russell. Which reminds me. I wrote him off after one VFL game. I got slaughtered on here for it.

Fumblers have a terrible time of it. It also seems to be a skill that really doesn’t improve a lot. Even harder to improve than kkciking. Or pace. Although I do like the saying “training can make you quickER, but it can’t make you QUICK”.

And now I’m rambling.

Let’s hope we don’t waste 9 this time around like we did with Russell, and I agree fumblers are a big no no more so than almost anything which is a big reason I don’t like Cam Wild as our NGA fumbles McFumbles is Wild.

 

[murphster]

Sounds like Serong thinks he's going to Fremantle.

Looks like it's either Stephens or a trade down for us.

From Pie4Life's thread on the Draft Board:

Can’t see Freo taking Serong over Stephens as they need outside speed and they have stated they don’t want an inside mid and they won’t take Serong based on his forward work, just doesn’t make sense imo.

 

[murphster]

Has anyone spent time looking at Thomson Dow? Do like the romance of drafting brothers...

We will probably take if still available at 43 but won’t break our backs trying to get him.

 

[Eiffel 65]

TheRedPill if thats the case then looks like McAsey slips and the trade offers come

Not necessarily. The Swans are really keen on Stephens at pick 5 as well.

Adelaide will probably then still pick McAsey.

Twomey has also noted that Carlton haven't done as much work on Flanders as other clubs, so if he's the player remaining at our selection, he may well be overlooked.

 

[Heres Waite]

For all the draft experts out there ...

Now that we have a better understanding of this draft and where some of the players will go, how would we rate Stoker if he was in this draft? From everything I have read (mostly from here) I see that there are a few tiers in regards to the talent level of the players in this draft. Is Stoker in that same tier as Stephens/Serong or more the later round 1 like Weightman/Pickett etc.

Also it’s looking as though if we had never done the trade with Adelaide we would be looking at picking up a Young/Ash/McAsey.

So one of Young/Ash/McAsey vs Stocker and Stephens/Serong. How does that look now?

Edit: Sorry I just noticed a similar question above.

 

[MITSUHIRATO]

Can’t see Freo taking Serong over Stephens as they need outside speed and they have stated they don’t want an inside mid and they won’t take Serong based on his forward work, just doesn’t make sense imo.

Peter Bell was on the radio yesterday saying that they will take the best available players according to their ranking. He specifically ruled out picking players based on need.

Given the above, I'm holding out some hope that he could have Serong ranked higher than Stephens (and therefore the connection to Young makes sense too).

The point could be moot anyway as Stephens may end up at the Crows at #6.

 

[Blue__Balls]

For all the draft experts out there ...

Now that we have a better understanding of this draft and where some of the players will go, how would we rate Stoker if he was in this draft? From everything I have read (mostly from here) I see that there are a few tiers in regards to the talent level of the players in this draft. Is Stoker in that same tier as Stephens/Serong or more the later round 1 like Weightman/Pickett etc.

Also it’s looking as though if we had never done the trade with Adelaide we would be looking at picking up a Young/Ash/McAsey.

So one of Young/Ash/McAsey vs Stocker and Stephens/Serong. How does that look now?

Edit: Sorry I just noticed a similar question above.

Think Stocker would be pretty firmly in that second tier. Hard to judge though, because there isn't really a comparable player besides maybe Stephens.

I'd have him ahead of Robertson, who is flagged as an early/mid teens pick.

But the players "rated" ahead of that look like needs-based selections. Smalls and rebounding defenders.

If we were picking at 9, and choosing between Stephens and Stocker, I think we'd take Stocker.
Freo don't appear to be after a contested mid, so he probably doesn't go at 7 or 8.
Adelaide at 6, depends whether or not they really like McAsey. Don't know how they'd split Stocker vs. Stephens.
Sydney at 5 could see him ahead of Flanders I suppose.
GWS going speed at 4. Melbourne a ruckman at 3. GC their best buddies at 2 and 1.

So yeah...I think Stocker could go as high as 5 in this draft, but as late as 15.

 

[JuddgementDay]

I can almost guarantee you they will if McAsey is still available, also GC have already offered 15 & 20 for 9.

That seems fair
GC get their 1st round
We get Martin & two later 1st rounders
After all, GC helped to make sure that we didn't lose any future picks in the process of getting Martin

 

[windows1]

Some on here are getting caught up in 'draft' fever...

It's shallow.

Trade down and get something for next year...

So....in a shallow pool....dive into the shallow end??

Trade into next year? Not sure if serious. Everyone is trading OUT of next year for a reason.

 

[windows1]

If there hasn't been a bid for Green by pick 4, why wouldn't GWS trade down their pick to say Cats in order to

Latest update from above.....WOW!!!

Herald Sun - Stephens
AFL.COM (Cal Twomey) - Stephens
The Age - Stephens
FoxSports - Serong
Draft Central - Stephens
Knightmare (ESPN) - Stephens

Bamboo Harvester - Jack Daniels....x2!!

Letsssssss goooooooooooo

 

[La Dispute]

Sounds like Adelaide have backflipped or actually always had Stephens and McAnstey as the two possibles but showed more interest in the latter to ward others off.

I hope we look to split the picks, and would prefer Weightman and C. Stephens over just one of Young or Serong.

 

[Weiterbot23]

I'm on the Serong ship

Fat slow guys that can play footy can often suprise

Plus we have tons of athelic O'Brien types, I want a hard nugget

 

[GT619]

It seems Adelaides backflip on McAsey and will pick Stephens. Let bidding war begin