Traded Pick swap: Gold Coast trade #27 to Geelong for a 2021 R3 pick (Melb)

[Peel67skin]

What's on the take about that? 3 experienced players for two picks in 50s at a time when you desperately seeking experienced players? Murdoch was DFA. Smith you could have taken UFA but traded to prevent your Tom Lynch compo being downgraded. GHS was career limited by his leg speed at senior level but if you want someone who is going to put in for the team and drive standards around the club then he's well worth it the I think pick 59.

What standard , GhS injured and hardly played and train , Smith take up a list spot . Murdoch not even in best 22. Why so afraid to check on Craig Cameron if he done nothing wrong ? If he did , Geelong ,GCS and those involve will get penalized for premiership point , player manager license and agency get ban ,etc .

 

[The 747]

Really not sure why posters are getting their frilly panties all bunched up by this trade.

 

[Peel67skin]

Really not sure why posters are getting their frilly panties all bunched up by this trade.

Posters openly talk about Drug, gambling issue but afraid to talk about bribery in AFL .

 

[SurreyBlue]

Great pick swap for Geelong. Wish my club did this instead of throwing away pick 48 with next years 3rd for pick 31.

 

[The 747]

Posters openly talk about Drug, gambling issue but afraid to talk about bribery in AFL .

Do you really think Geelong bribed a Gold Coast official to facilitate this pick swap?

 

[kreglze]

I think I would be going harder for something different other than an inconsequential pick swap if I was bribing someone.

 

[STPer18]

Posters openly talk about Drug, gambling issue but afraid to talk about bribery in AFL .

Yep, massive bribery and corruption by Geelong here to turn a 3rd round pick into pick 27. We put our entire club at stake, but at least we managed to secure that 2nd round pick!

 

[CatToTheFuture]

What standard , GhS injured and hardly played and train , Smith take up a list spot . Murdoch not even in best 22. Why so afraid to check on Craig Cameron if he done nothing wrong ? If he did , Geelong ,GCS and those involve will get penalized for premiership point , player manager license and agency get ban ,etc .

Did not exactly sell the farm for those players and all of those trades at the time stood up on their own.

 

[AuTo00Z]

I reckon it was a good move by the suns. They got rid of a pick they couldn't use for draft points (for next year). Too risky holding it on draft night, where potentially no one would want to trade for it. Twomey even said yesterday not many clubs are willing to give up future draft picks given next year's pool will be likely be much stronger than this year's. Given how thin this draft is and the unknown, not many clubs would be willing to give more than a 3rd round pick, when it comes to future picks. And not many teams need an extra pick this year, due to list spots. They needed to get rid of it, and they did, and that's all that really matters at the end of the day. Yes, they probably could've gotten a better deal, but not by much, and it's not going to hurt them.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

The Suns would not have traded it without knowing what they could get elsewhere. It's just that no one wants a pick in this draft after 30.

Nonsense.

I mean we gave away pick 30 for a 32 year old, was it generosity or is there just a fair chance that the player you'd be thinking about will still be available next draft?

Neither. That was the going rate for a contracted player you hope will help you win a flag next year.

 

[Iva Bigun]

It’s a lazy swap by our list manager IMO, likely to of done better on draft night but maybe they just wanted this out of the way?
Not sure why as we are only taking pick 5 to the draft and all he has to do is pick the last of the fab 5 that falls to us. Hardly so taxing that he couldn’t do a side deal as well

 

[Sweet Jesus]

Brisbane lost five of their best young players at the end of 2013. Come 2018 they were attracting high quality players like Lachie Neale

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Lachie Neale

Age

30

Ht

178cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

27.0

5star

K

11.5

4star

HB

15.5

5star

M

4.0

4star

T

3.7

5star

CL

5.9

5star

D

28.3

5star

K

13.9

5star

HB

14.4

5star

M

4.6

4star

T

4.0

5star

CL

5.9

5star

D

12.0

3star

K

4.6

2star

HB

7.4

5star

M

2.0

3star

T

1.0

3star

CL

0.4

3star

, but they needed to make acquisitions like Charlie Cameron

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Charlie Cameron

Age

29

Ht

180cm

Wt

76kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.1

3star

K

8.4

3star

HB

3.7

3star

M

3.0

3star

T

3.2

5star

G

1.5

5star

D

9.6

2star

K

7.9

3star

HB

1.7

1star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.7

3star

G

1.9

5star

D

9.6

3star

K

5.4

2star

HB

4.2

4star

M

1.4

2star

T

3.4

5star

G

1.2

4star

first, a player who actually wanted to be there even though they paid slight overs based on his output to that point. Of course, Cameron went on to greatly outperform that valuation so he looks like a steal now. But he was an important part of the cultural change. So was Luke Hodge with his leadership and experience. Neale wouldn't have come without other solid veterans having chosen the Lions first. After 2017, draftees didn't piss off after two years at the Lions, either. That's what I mean by narrative change. Since 2018 Gold Coast also have gone from every good young player leaving to almost everyone staying.

These are called "events". They are things that happened.

What does "narrative" have to do with it? A "narrative" is a story people tell themselves. It doesn't count for anything.

 

[TerryWallet]

Craig Cameron has done 2 dodgy trades in consecutive years. OK, that's an issue for the Suns.

But the fact that they've both been with Geelong raises alarm bells.

It just seems very dodgy.

Not that Craig Cameron's employment history indicates any sign of dodginess though, of course.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

These are called "events". They are things that happened.

What does "narrative" have to do with it? A "narrative" is a story people tell themselves. It doesn't count for anything.

If you don't want to listen, nothing I say will be heard. Positive and negative cycles happen in recruitment based on how attractive or unattractive a club is, and the culture there is part of that, as is whether other players are going there or leaving.

 

[The 747]

Craig Cameron has done 2 dodgy trades in consecutive years. OK, that's an issue for the Suns.

But the fact that they've both been with Geelong raises alarm bells.

It just seems very dodgy.

Not that Craig Cameron's employment history indicates any sign of dodginess though, of course.

How was he dodgy in the past? Did he work for Carlton?

 

[Sweet Jesus]

If you don't want to listen, nothing I say will be heard. Positive and negative cycles happen in recruitment based on how attractive or unattractive a club is, and the culture there is part of that, as is whether other players are going there or leaving.

Yeah, clubs can be well run or badly run. They can be attractive or unattractive. That's not new.

But we call that "the narrative" now, do we?

People have really internalised this bullshit.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Yeah, clubs can be well run or badly run. They can be attractive or unattractive. That's not new.

But we call that "the narrative" now, do we?

People have really internalised this bullshit.

I don't know why you're so cut up about the way people choose to phrase things.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

I don't know why you're so cut up about the way people choose to phrase things.

It's silly.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Nonsense.

Neither. That was the going rate for a contracted player you hope will help you win a flag next year.

It wasn't the going rate for Steven, Jenkins or any other contracted player in that age range I can think of.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

It wasn't the going rate for Steven, Jenkins or any other contracted player in that age range I can think of.

Maybe because they're different players. Imagine that.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Craig Cameron has done 2 dodgy trades in consecutive years. OK, that's an issue for the Suns.

But the fact that they've both been with Geelong raises alarm bells.

It just seems very dodgy.

Not that Craig Cameron's employment history indicates any sign of dodginess though, of course.

I wouldn't call them dodgy.

The pick swap they did for their f11 gave them Jeremy Sharp who knightmare has said he'd have at 19 on his draft board. Other watchers have put him in a similar range. So maybe a 4ish pick upgrade on talent available by waiting a year. Understand he's not the arbiter of all worldly truth but it's hardly dodgy.

Maybe because they're different players. Imagine that.

So what's the most likely. That Higgins is a player of unprecedented value for a 32yo or that pick 30 holds an unprecedented lack of value in this draft? Don't doubt he's higher value than the other examples but surely this unique draft situation is more to do with it

 

[Sweet Jesus]

So what's the most likely. That Higgins is a player of unprecedented value for a 32yo or that pick 30 holds an unprecedented lack of value in this draft? Don't doubt he's higher value than the other examples but surely this unique draft situation is more to do with it

It's a combination, which makes no real point.

Clubs will still be using selections in the 30s, 40s and beyond so the Suns' pick traded here isn't of the negligible value you suggest. It's a mid second-rounder. It's not like it's free to a good home.

 

[BigCat1]

Pick 27 will be pick 33.

So its pick 33 2020 for a 2021 pick 37-40 hopefully in a draft that has a season form line behind it and deeper.

Gold Coast have another priority pick in 2021. Fathers sons like Daicos and non NGA academy picks still can be matched at anytime as well as NGA academy picks after the first Rd. Throw in the usual couple of Free Agent compo picks.

There is absolute zero chance Melbs 3rd round pick will be 37-40 next year. If it’s under 48 the Suns will be very lucky

 

[Nugett]

Gold Coast trying time get more AFL special concessions based on Trading stupidity?Maybe this deal isn’t so stupid after all as the AFL will have no hesitation in helping out either Gold Coast or GWS so they can justify their own incompetence by pouring money into the 2 franchise teams.

It’s either that or Brian Cook has compromising photos of Tony Cochrane...

 

[WilloTree]

They can be attractive or unattractive

Not at all. Name one club who is "unattractive". Not sure what you mean.

It's more about difference in perception on a players worth between different clubs. If someone bids then they know there is a chance that if they have bid too high they may be "stuck" with them. That is enough protection in itself. Why should you be given an extra pick, if you don't want that player at that price and someone else does. No different than Mosquito and Essendon and Hawks. If Carlton were only bidding for Henry as a spoiler and way over value, then there was a chance that we would of not matched the bid. Clearly they knew that was a possibility and were prepared to pay the price of pick 9 for him.

You're not stuck if you bid. Pretty simple. SOS made a dick of himself last year, but I doubt that will happen this year.

I mean, he did get fired. So, I guess that's a shot across the bow.

Really not sure why posters are getting their frilly panties all bunched up by this trade.

Have you read the trade? Pretty one-sided don't you think?

A "narrative" is a story people tell themselves.

No it's not.