Picking an all-time CFC lineup

[Knightmare]

I think you're ignoring that they allow defenders to be more physical than they used to. It's a big reason why the game has moved away from the post. And whilst Kareem had all those tricks once he had the ball, he'd still need the strength to hold his ground in the post to both receive and execute.

Today defenders have less capacity to play physical, not more. You can have bad breath today or body odur and it's a foul. All you can do today is verticality, and that's not stopping Kareem. With hand checking completely gone, there is no opportunity today to play physical unlike happened pre 2004. And when Wilt played it was even harder, with double hand checking allowed then. That directly led to far worse fg% during that era in particular. Kareem would shoot a higher % today with all the space he would have with all the perimeter shooters and how limited defence today is allowed to be, with the game today disproportionately favouring the offensive player, particularly out on the perimeter which has made life so easy for those drivers and outside shooters like generations past could never enjoy. It's almost a shame guys like Oscar and West had to compete double hand checking and in a time when any contemporary dribble move we know today would be called a carry, it would have been incredible in modern rules + with a 3 point line how incredible those guys could have been.

Sorry Knightmare but you are talking rubbish now.

Starks Ewing and Oakley were all stars.

Robinson and Drexler were all stars.

Barkley and Johnson were all stars.

Hakeem was the only rockets all star. He had to beat half of dream team 1 and 2. He was the only Rockets all nba team or defensive team player.

It's pretty pathetic that Oakley was chosen as an All-Star. He was no better than Otis Thorpe that season in that first chip season.

John Starks was better than Kenny Smith, certainly, and a boarderline all-star but he wasn't a super star.

When Hakeem won he was fortunate there was no Michael, Larry, Magic or Kareem to spot his path, while the second go round Shaq made the NBA finals without any experience. It allowed him to win back-to-back championships, with his supporting cast a solid group of starters with an excellent bench mob. It proved fortunately for Hakeem to be enough.

 

[sr36]

Today defenders have less capacity to play physical, not more. You can have bad breath today or body odur and it's a foul. All you can do today is verticality, and that's not stopping Kareem. With hand checking completely gone, there is no opportunity today to play physical unlike happened pre 2004. And when Wilt played it was even harder, with double hand checking allowed then. That directly led to far worse fg% during that era in particular. Kareem would shoot a higher % today with all the space he would have with all the perimeter shooters and how limited defence today is allowed to be, with the game today disproportionately favouring the offensive player, particularly out on the perimeter which has made life so easy for those drivers and outside shooters like generations past could never enjoy. It's almost a shame guys like Oscar and West had to compete double hand checking and in a time when any contemporary dribble move we know today would be called a carry, it would have been incredible in modern rules + with a 3 point line how incredible those guys could have been.



It's pretty pathetic that Oakley was chosen as an All-Star. He was no better than Otis Thorpe that season in that first chip season.

John Starks was better than Kenny Smith, certainly, and a boarderline all-star but he wasn't a super star.

When Hakeem won he was fortunate there was no Michael, Larry, Magic or Kareem to spot his path, while the second go round Shaq made the NBA finals without any experience. It allowed him to win back-to-back championships, with his supporting cast a solid group of starters with an excellent bench mob. It proved fortunately for Hakeem to be enough.

They're more physical before the ball is in someone's hands.

 

[BlueSky Guy]

Greening would have to be included.

I adored Johnny Greenings superb skill and silky smooth effortless ability. One of the most natural gifted footballers of his generation. Picked himself on a wing .

 

[Trickster]

Haven't read all the posts so not sure if he was mentioned but one who i think has to be in the conversation is Scotty Burns. Didn't win bnfs or individual accolades but was a warrior and his importance to team cannot be under-estimated. Probably suffers from playing in poor teams so may just miss out.

A few other comments in regards to what was already posted. Rumney played in 5 flags so probably gets scaled up because of that (without knowing too much about him) while Billy Picken was a big game performer from reports read so that counts in hia favor.

Was curious so just read up on Rumney in Champions of Coll and apparently he was almost a utility playing forward in 27 (kicking 19 goals) and even half back and wing though back pocket was his best position where he was a dasher. it was noted when he won BnF in 31, it was the first time the award was won by someone other than a Collier or Coventry. Wouldve played in 36 flag had he not gone to Northcote to captain coach for a year. And to think he was sacked by Carlton after 2 years. Another note on older players and the games they played, there were only 18 game seasons in those years so it easily knocks off 30-40 games on their tallies which makes their tallies seem lower.

Great thread though