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Also roar I’d be very careful speculating on peoples identity that’s a slippery slope to go down. All I do is write 'MY’ opinion on a here
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Never speculated anyones identity your the one who named someone and further more confirmed who your home club was .
Whats the crack
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Alright so we all know who you both are.
How did the AGM go last night?
How did the AGM go last night?
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So what happened at the meeting? Is the league moving towards the much maligned AFL hub or retaining its right to independence and self-governance?
You'd imagine it's pretty similar dialogue to the last page of this wouldn't you.
It feels like the AFL are doing the best to coerce clubs in the pdfl they need to affiliate with them, as the last league they might have greater bargaining power to get a new clubroom and oval upgrades and let hay join the league as well as keeping some independence like the Riddell league, however it seems from an outsider that the AFL have got one guy in the gun, where if he goes, clubs could get more, interesting times in the picola league
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Maybe AFLGV need Jamie Macri back in charge to negotiate a deal like he did last time the league didn’t sign up.
I am hearing two other leagues in a different region are currently playing out a similar scenario.
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Someone whispered in my ear that the league will not affiliate at this stage, though the majority of clubs were in favour.
If some parts of the affiliation agreement were changed to what Picola want, including preventing AFLV from changing a league's rules or constitution, then it would be a done deal.
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If some parts of the affiliation agreement were changed to what Picola want, including preventing AFLV from changing a league's rules or constitution, then it would be a done deal.
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Do u think it went to a vote last night ?
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It would be all over big footy
Only if it went the way some people have been suggesting .
mixed emotions recent summation on clubs position might be worth reading and considering that it has been the case for most of , if not all the process, despite some hyping up claims to the contrary .
Check your ear for faeces .
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So I assume the league and majority of clubs are holding their ground on operating within a self-determined environment? Good skills.
The weekly times would think otherwise though with their story
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What are they saying Trent? Can you post It?
Edit: Just viewed the Weekly Times banner for the story. Pay wall of course.
'100% want AFL affiliation...' allegedly.
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Yep I haven't got the story but that's the gist of it
IIIRC. The Weekly Times was claiming the leagues board was going to see a ‘ revolt ‘ from clubs at the AGM.
My understanding is the league opened the ‘ vault ‘ recording a $90k operating surplus for distribution to clubs whilst the most aggression was at the supper table . This years operating surplus is the 8th consecutive year the league has recorded a surplus , which includes the two covid affected years .
Picola and District: Clubs split on signing AFL affiliation agreement
The Picola league and AFL stand-off on affiliation saga continues with no indication of a truce being reached. See the latest developments.David Johnston
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The Picola and District league is refusing to budge on signing an updated affiliation agreement with the AFL.
AFL Goulburn-Murray was notified on Thursday of its intention to be unaffiliated when the latest agreement expires on December 31.
“The league has indicated this morning there is no intent to renew the agreement,” AFL Goulburn Murray regional manager Shaun Connell said.
“AFL Goulburn-Murray is disappointed that the PDFNL is not going to renew the agreement for the betterment of their clubs.”
The advice follows the PDFNL annual meeting on Monday night when the affiliation saga was discussed.
A major sticking point for the PDFNL in the updated agreement is a condition of a “third party” contact outside league operations manager Shane Railton being nominated.
AFL Goulburn-Murray regional manager Shaun Connell. Picture: Supplied
Tocumwal Football-Netball Club president Matt Peterson confirmed that his club’s suspension by the PDFNL prevented it from attending the annual meeting.
But he remains adamant being affiliated with the AFL remains the best options for all 15 clubs which have split again on the issue.
“I thought there was a fairly strong sense among the clubs that we wanted to be affiliated,” Mr Peterson said.
“We’re struggling to find the path forward that is fair.
“We’re concerned that there hasn’t been enough strategic thought put into what the ramifications are of not being affiliated.
“We want to continue to play football and netball against the clubs we’re currently playing against in the Picola league.”
It’s unclear when the Tocumwal suspension will be lifted.
Mr Railton was not available for comment.
“Clubs will voice interest in remaining affiliated and that has been our position as well, but it’s not unconditional,” he said previously.
CLUBS WANT TO AFFILIATE
The Picola and District league is facing a revolt from clubs after they were briefed on the benefits of remaining affiliated with the AFL on Thursday night.The league’s entire 15 clubs attended the meeting scheduled by AFL Goulburn Murray following the refusal by the PDFNL to sign an affiliation agreement by last week’s deadline.
Tocumwal president Matt Peterson said “100 per cent” of clubs wanted to be affiliated and hoped the impasse between the league and AFL could be sorted by Christmas.
“The clubs got what they needed and that was some transparency and what AFL affiliation really means,” he said.
“It also provided some transparency on how we’ve ended up in this situation again.”
Tocumwal has been suspended by the PDFNL for attempting to arrange a meeting of clubs in September to discuss reaffiliation.
“We saw this as a looming issue,” Mr Peterson said.
“It’s now late November and we’re no closer to a resolution which is creating a lot of uncertainty in our club and other clubs in the league.
“We want this resolved by Christmas.
“We’ve acted with transparency, good intentions.
“Sometimes you’ve got to take these things into your own hands.”
Rennie president Matt Stephens said his club also preferred to be affiliated.
“Hopefully the conversations last night were a step in the right direction,” he said.
“We prefer to be affiliated, but if the things that need to be sorted out can’t be, then I don’t know what direction the league is going to take.
“It’s a pretty awkward situation presently.”
AFL Goulburn Murray regional manager Shaun Connell said it was encouraging to have all clubs in attendance at the meeting.
“We were able to address all their queries that were brought forward,” he said.
“They left the meeting well informed.
“It’s now up to them how they want to direct the (PDFNL) board moving forward.”
PDFNL operations manager Shane Railton said: “Clubs will voice interest in remaining affiliated and that has been our position as well, but it’s not unconditional.
“The information I’m receiving is not much was gained out of the meeting last night and not much has changed unfortunately.”
The league has its annual meeting scheduled for Monday night when the affiliation saga is expected to be a major discussion point.
Tocumwal is attempting to seek clarification whether it can attend the meeting while it’s under suspension.
DEADLINE PASSES ON REAFFILIATION
Picola and District Football-Netball League clubs will meet with AFL Victoria officials on Thursday to discuss a potential breakaway competition being created with AFL affiliation.The deadline for PDFNL to reaffiliate with the AFL passed last Friday leaving 15 clubs in potential limbo.
Only clubs have been invited to Thursday’s meeting.
PDFNL operations manager Shane Railton said it was “very comfortable” running its own competition if required.
“There are leagues that have not been affiliated with the AFL elsewhere in Victoria and maintained a points system,” he said.
“There are other leagues in Victoria such as metro leagues and Outer East who are non-affiliated and still maintain clearance procedures.
“It’s not unprecedented that leagues have been unaffiliated.
“We weren’t affiliated in 2018, yet we maintained and adhered to player contracts.
“Football has been going for countless years before that without any issues whatsoever.”
AFL Goulburn Murray regional manager Shaun Connell said it was exercising its right to work with clubs after the affiliation agreement went unsigned.
“The aim is to answer questions clubs have had over the last two and a half weeks,” he said.
“The current agreement ends on December 31, so we’ll be working with clubs around what they want their future to look like after that.
“Where the clubs want to go is up to them.
“The indication is the clubs want to be affiliated (with the AFL) and want to stay together.”
AFL Victoria boss Ben Kavenagh. (Photo by Jonathan DiMaggio/AFL Photos/via Getty Images)
AFL Victoria chief executive Ben Kavenagh and country manager John O’Donohue will attend Thursday’s meeting.
In 2018 when the PDFNL didn’t affiliate with the AFL, four clubs, Tungamah, Katandra, Shepparton East and Dookie United, left.
But Tungamah and Katandra returned following two seasons in the Murray league.
Mr Connell said the Murray and Kyabram and District leagues had contacted AFL Goulburn Murray to ensure there was no repeat of the drawn out saga of 2018.
LAST WEEK
AFL Goulburn-Murray chief Shaun Connell believes the best outcome for Picola and District league clubs is sticking together with the security of affiliation to the governing body.The deadline for the PDFNL to sign an affiliation agreement with AFL Goulburn-Murray is 5pm Friday with strong indications it will pass without a renewed deal in place.
Among a number of sticking points from the PDFNL is the mandated salary cap and player points limits from AFL Goulburn-Murray.
The PDFNL salary cap is being reduced from $95,000 to $85,000 and player point limits are going down from 45 to 43 per club.
“We want Picola as a collective to stay together in an affiliated environment,” Mr Connell said.
“That is very clear.
“We think that group of clubs belong with each other and from a regional point of view they need to stay together.
“We just need to make sure the clubs, from a governance and administration point of view, are being supported based on their wishes.”
Shepparton East left the Picola and District league in 2018 and now plays in the Kyabram and District league. Picture Yuri Kouzmin
AFL Goulburn-Murray said it sought feedback on salary caps and player points from all clubs in June.
The PDFNL had a $20,000 higher salary cap than another district league in the area, the Kyabram and District league, this year.
All clubs can apply for a variation to the salary caps and player points based on their population sizes and junior league structures.
The PDFNL quit using AFL Victoria’s new administration platform, PlayHQ, mid-year.
AFL Goulburn-Murray has sought a “third party” contact within the PDFNL other than operations manager Shane Railton as part of an updated agreement.
Tungamah’s Troy Costigan, Shepparton East’s Mark Frost, Dookie United’s Kayla Sutherland and Luke O'Connor and Katandra’s Corey Wilson when the Picola and District league affiliation issues flared in 2018. Picture Yuri Kouzmin
Mr Railton said: “We are trying to do everything possible to try and affiliate.
“We’ve told our clubs that is what we will try and continue to do.”
The last time PDFNL didn’t sign an affiliation agreement in 2018 it led to Tungamah, Katandra and Shepparton East moving into the Murray league and Dookie United going to the KDFNL.
Tungamah and Katandra rejoined the PDFNL at the end of 2019 season and Shepparton East joined the KDFNL at the end of the 2018 season.
Dookie United is still in the KDFNL.
Contingency plans being floated in the event of the affiliation agreement not being signed include a new league being formed.
The PDFNL has until Friday to sign the agreement that guarantees access to player insurance, financial support in the event of natural disasters such as flooding, appeals processes and operating under salary cap and player points systems.
The league has 15 clubs on both sides of the Murray River and spent the 2018 season not affiliated with the AFL before signing up a year later.
Rennie won the 2018 Picola and District Football League premiership when the competition was not affiliated with the AFL. Picture: Sherryn Ferguson
PDFL operations manager Shane Railton was tight-lipped ahead of Friday’s deadline.
“At this stage we’re in negotiations,” he said.
It’s understood the league is strongly against re-affiliation and wants to devise its own player points system and have no salary cap.
But one club, Tocumwal, has been “provisionally suspended” by the league for trying to arrange a meeting of clubs without the PDFNL board and officials to discuss the consequences of non-affiliation.
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Tocumwal board member Greg Watmore attempted to arrange the meeting and has since stepped down.
“Affiliation is terribly important,” Watmore said.
“It provides everything you need to keep your club going and without it you just don’t have that.
“There was a real appetite for clubs to come together and have a chat.
“Some weren’t interested and that is fine, but a lot were.
“There is so much to lose by not being affiliated.”
AFL Victoria’s John O’Donohue.
AFL Victoria Country manager John O’Donohue confirmed the Friday deadline for the PDFNL to reaffiliate.
“Affiliation revolves around signing up to the rules, the policies and everything that goes with it,” he said.
“They’ve indicated they’re not going to participate in the (AFL Victoria) salary cap and player points, but they’re non-negotiables.
“There is a date because everybody needs to know what they’re doing and can move on.
“It’s really clear we want them affiliated and part of the footy community.
“But there are some non-negotiables that aren’t unreasonable and provide all clubs and players with some protection.
“There is so much to lose by not being affiliated.”
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The PDFNL salary cap is being reduced from $95,000 to $85,000 and player point limits are going down from 45 to 43 per club.
“We want Picola as a collective to stay together in an affiliated environment,” Mr Connell said.
“That is very clear.
“We think that group of clubs belong with each other and from a regional point of view they need to stay together.
“We just need to make sure the clubs, from a governance and administration point of view, are being supported based on their wishes.”
Shepparton East left the Picola and District league in 2018 and now plays in the Kyabram and District league. Picture Yuri Kouzmin
AFL Goulburn-Murray said it sought feedback on salary caps and player points from all clubs in June.
The PDFNL had a $20,000 higher salary cap than another district league in the area, the Kyabram and District league, this year.
All clubs can apply for a variation to the salary caps and player points based on their population sizes and junior league structures.
The PDFNL quit using AFL Victoria’s new administration platform, PlayHQ, mid-year.
AFL Goulburn-Murray has sought a “third party” contact within the PDFNL other than operations manager Shane Railton as part of an updated agreement.
Tungamah’s Troy Costigan, Shepparton East’s Mark Frost, Dookie United’s Kayla Sutherland and Luke O'Connor and Katandra’s Corey Wilson when the Picola and District league affiliation issues flared in 2018. Picture Yuri Kouzmin
Mr Railton said: “We are trying to do everything possible to try and affiliate.
“We’ve told our clubs that is what we will try and continue to do.”
The last time PDFNL didn’t sign an affiliation agreement in 2018 it led to Tungamah, Katandra and Shepparton East moving into the Murray league and Dookie United going to the KDFNL.
Tungamah and Katandra rejoined the PDFNL at the end of 2019 season and Shepparton East joined the KDFNL at the end of the 2018 season.
Dookie United is still in the KDFNL.
Contingency plans being floated in the event of the affiliation agreement not being signed include a new league being formed.
EARLIER COVERAGE
The Picola and District Football-Netball League and AFL Victoria are on a collision course again over affiliation to the governing body with a deadline set to sign up.The PDFNL has until Friday to sign the agreement that guarantees access to player insurance, financial support in the event of natural disasters such as flooding, appeals processes and operating under salary cap and player points systems.
The league has 15 clubs on both sides of the Murray River and spent the 2018 season not affiliated with the AFL before signing up a year later.
Rennie won the 2018 Picola and District Football League premiership when the competition was not affiliated with the AFL. Picture: Sherryn Ferguson
PDFL operations manager Shane Railton was tight-lipped ahead of Friday’s deadline.
“At this stage we’re in negotiations,” he said.
It’s understood the league is strongly against re-affiliation and wants to devise its own player points system and have no salary cap.
But one club, Tocumwal, has been “provisionally suspended” by the league for trying to arrange a meeting of clubs without the PDFNL board and officials to discuss the consequences of non-affiliation.
The Picola and District league area.
Tocumwal board member Greg Watmore attempted to arrange the meeting and has since stepped down.
“Affiliation is terribly important,” Watmore said.
“It provides everything you need to keep your club going and without it you just don’t have that.
“There was a real appetite for clubs to come together and have a chat.
“Some weren’t interested and that is fine, but a lot were.
“There is so much to lose by not being affiliated.”
AFL Victoria’s John O’Donohue.
AFL Victoria Country manager John O’Donohue confirmed the Friday deadline for the PDFNL to reaffiliate.
“Affiliation revolves around signing up to the rules, the policies and everything that goes with it,” he said.
“They’ve indicated they’re not going to participate in the (AFL Victoria) salary cap and player points, but they’re non-negotiables.
“There is a date because everybody needs to know what they’re doing and can move on.
“It’s really clear we want them affiliated and part of the footy community.
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“There is so much to lose by not being affiliated.”
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Whats the crack
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Sounds like the league is not affiliating and AFLGM will now make it a free for all on players circa 2018
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The big clubs will thrive and the smaller clubs will be decimated, this time potentially for good. Players come and go as they please throughout all grades as there registration within or outside the PDFNL is irrelevant, while senior players will set there own price due to freedom to move. Pathways will be effected regardless of what you read. The definition of insanity is to repeat the same thing and expect a different outcome. Clubs have rocks in there heads excepting this as the right decision.
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So I thought I’d make a comment now while my club is training with their coach to reiterate that I am not the person who roar thinks. As for the post 11 or so years ago I was probably a fan girl who had 4 cruisers and got on big footy to stir the pot didn’t get a response and put it to bed. The only name I have mentioned is kades which is what you have done to so let’s move on hey roar. On a footy note any clubs into pre season yet
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The key part in this whole mess is the paragraph about the “third party” contact. The rest is a sideshow.
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Plus: “The PDFNL had a $20,000 higher salary cap than another district league in the area, the Kyabram and District league, this year.“
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You’d be pissed if you’re the Murray league wanting to put a draw out knowing things could drag on and get sucked into all this as happened last time with clubs jumping ship at one minute to midnight. An action somewhere has a reaction somewhere else in footy. It’s not always about you.
