Bumped Pies Draft Needs......

[76woodenspooners]

2013: we had 6. Shaz, 10 Freeman and overlooked: 13 Cripps (included just because he could be a kpp if he wanted), R Lobbe (29), Ben Brown (47), Josh Walker (54)

+ Cameron McCarthy (14)

 

[wicksy]

2009 our first pick 30
8 John Butcher
19 Ben Griffith
25 Aaron Black
29 Jack Gunston
38 Sam Reid
42 Nathan Vardy
Rookie pick
43 Stewart Crameri
44 Levi Casbolt

2010 our first pick 45
Charlie Dixon pre listed by Gold Coast
3 Sam Day
11 Tom Lynch
26 Jack Darling

2011 Our first pick 50
Jeremy Cameron pre listed by GWS
1 Jon Patton
34 Shane Kerstin
50 Jackson Paine
65 Corey Gualt
Rookie 62 Jack Redpath

2012 our first pick 18
Mini Draft Pick 2 Jesse Hogan
10 Joe Daniher
25 Spencer White
27 James Stewart
28 Tim O'Brien
32 Michael Close
33 Liam McBean
Rookie pick 11 Matt Tabener

2013 our first pick 6
1 Tom Boyd
14 Cam McCarthy
16 Michael Apeness
25 Daniel McStay
29 Rory Lobb
47 Ben Brown
62 Jonathan Freeman

2014 our first pick 5
1 Paddy McCartin
8 Peter Wright
9 Darcy Moore
16 Sam Durdin
32 Tom Lamb
43 Mitch McGovern
58 Harry Dear
62 Zaine Cordy
63 Jayden Foster
77 Reece McKenzie
Rookie pick 75 Matthew Hammelmann

2015 our first pick 32
2 Josh Schache
9 Sam Weideman
10 Harry McKay
14 Eric Hipwood
21 Ben McKay
53 Jack Silvagni
Rookie pick 12 Callum Moore
16 Matt Ubergang

Degoey instead of Wright in 2014 was a mistake.... Fuuuuu

 

[Seedsfan]

Degoey instead of Wright in 2014 was a mistake.... Fuuuuu

If we knew we were going to get Treloar I don't think we would have taken DeGoey, but we have him now and he looks like he will be a gun. We just need to make sure we recruit another quality tall

 

[Matt_352]

Degoey instead of Wright in 2014 was a mistake.... Fuuuuu

Will be a gun and we will probably end up adding Wright end of 17 anyway.

 

[Scodog10]

Then why is Hine still Employed Then?

Its a good question given our love affair with one paced, inside mids, with questionable skills. My guess is he's avoided heat from fans because of the "in Hine we trust" garbage and internally its based on past glory's such as the 06 and 08 drafts.

 

[ThePhantom777]

Nat Fyfe another medium/ 3rd tall, but not as keen on him as Taylor. Through the draft would probably still go Taylor, or otherwise key position player/ midfielder depending on who is available.

Troy Taylor over Nat Fyfe... Lolz

 

[Scodog10]

Troy Taylor over Nat Fyfe... Lolz

From memory that was Knightmare's original account? I think our footy knowledge is always growing no matter how long you watch the game.

 

[wicksy]

Will be a gun and we will probably end up adding Wright end of 17 anyway.

Hope so

 

[4tone]

Its a good question given our love affair with one paced, inside mids, with questionable skills. My guess is he's avoided heat from fans because of the "in Hine we trust" garbage and internally its based on past glory's such as the 06 and 08 drafts.

Spot on This best available policy what a load of shit, if you have 20 back pocket players, why not another one. This guy has failed year after year, its not acceptable anymore. His standard sayings on draft day, "Project player" "Room for development" drives me nuts. I'm just over Hine and his bullshit. One selection in the last couple years, I still think WTF. Mitch McGovern from the crows, he went 43 I think a couple years ago. His brother a up and coming gun, both similar body shape, similar height, similar history, same footy genes, how the **** don't you take a chance, that was my immediate thought the moment the crows called out his name. Hine is asleep at the wheel. If there was a review going on which there should be ever year, Hine gets the arse for sure.

 

[Scodog10]

Spot on This best available policy what a load of shit, if you have 20 back pocket players, why not another one. This guy has failed year after year, its not acceptable anymore. His standard sayings on draft day, "Project player" "Room for development" drives me nuts. I'm just over Hine and his bullshit. One selection in the last couple years, I still think WTF. Mitch McGovern from the crows, he went 43 I think a couple years ago. His brother a up and coming gun, both similar body shape, similar height, similar history, same footy genes, how the **** don't you take a chance, that was my immediate thought the moment the crows called out his name. Hine is asleep at the wheel. If there was a review going on which there should be ever year, Hine gets the arse for sure.

I'm probably not as critical because I think best available is fine as long as you're adjusting you're waitings to suit your list. For instance I think ballhandling and skill execution need a greater weighting for us moving forward.

The McGovern one hurts especially whenwe traded out 25 for another inside mid with questionable skills that year. Maynard at 25 and McGovern at 30 would look so much better for us moving forward, IMO.

 

[SpongePie]

1. Ruck - see Jolly; done.
2. Extractor, even if for only a couple of years while our youngsters grow strength - see club apparently trying hard for Ball, or failing that then throw something at Harris.
3. Speedy outside run and carry - we have eg Blight, Rounds, Reed, Barham and Wellers who could all come on here in the next year or two. If we have a spare late pick or a rookie spot, it might be worth spending on a speedy winger eg Josh Cowen.
4. KPP - we have Dawes, Fraser, Reid, Rusling ready to take on new roles; with Young and Perry coming on next year from NSW scheme and both with some size about them. So yeah, if there was a tall at pick 62 that might be useful (eg Donaldson as a swing forward/back KP), but really that's a long shot.
5. tagger/ run with - not sure we'd go the total negator as in Shirley; team may opt to keep going with eg Johnson, Toovey, Cook gentler run-with roles for another year? However, if as a creative run-with Welsh were in the PSD and somehow we had the salary cap to snare both him and a mature extractor in the ND, then we would have a centre square engine room able to compete with anyone.

It is hard to fill all list gaps in one drafting round, as you also need folk who are likely to 'make it', 'make a difference', in any one position, not just draft to make us feel safe and good. Depends how it all pans out on the days, but in the end a strong engine room or on-ball presence takes us places that we may not have seen for a while.

It is interesting when we look back on some of these posts, and then consider the same thought process against our current list. Fox example, this post here (sorry not against the poster per se, just interesting)...

Point 3 - "we have eg Blight, Rounds, Reed, Barham and Wellers" every one of those was a bust, except Wellingham. Even the "who we should target" option of Josh Cowen would have been a bust.
Point 4 - "we have Dawes, Fraser, Reid, Rusling ready to take on new roles; with Young and Perry". Semi bust as Dawes did help us win 2010 but nothing after, Fraser at this point of time is a bust, Reid is awesome, Rusling bust, Young bust, Perry bust.

I guess my point is, this board makes similar comments at the moment with the state of the list and what we need, and the reality is a lot of it doesn't pan out. So take it easy in the trade/draft thread.

 

[MagpieJoel]

Degoey instead of Wright in 2014 was a mistake.... Fuuuuu

We had just lost Beams and we were looking to replace him with a similar type.

 

[Seedsfan]

I'm probably not as critical because I think best available is fine as long as you're adjusting you're waitings to suit your list. For instance I think ballhandling and skill execution need a greater weighting for us moving forward.

The McGovern one hurts especially whenwe traded out 25 for another inside mid with questionable skills that year. Maynard at 25 and McGovern at 30 would look so much better for us moving forward, IMO.

Yeah that would have been a way better result for us

 

[ThePhantom777]

Spot on This best available policy what a load of shit, if you have 20 back pocket players, why not another one. This guy has failed year after year, its not acceptable anymore. His standard sayings on draft day, "Project player" "Room for development" drives me nuts. I'm just over Hine and his bullshit. One selection in the last couple years, I still think WTF. Mitch McGovern from the crows, he went 43 I think a couple years ago. His brother a up and coming gun, both similar body shape, similar height, similar history, same footy genes, how the **** don't you take a chance, that was my immediate thought the moment the crows called out his name. Hine is asleep at the wheel. If there was a review going on which there should be ever year, Hine gets the arse for sure.

Rendell should take the head job. He put together a handy list for the Crows.

 

[Seedsfan]

Rendell should take the head job. He put together a handy list for the Crows.

His been gone for years now. The bulk of that list was put together by Hamish Ogilvie. Side note Olgilvie played in the 1986 under 19s premiership

 

[76woodenspooners]

Its a good question given our love affair with one paced, inside mids, with questionable skills. My guess is he's avoided heat from fans because of the "in Hine we trust" garbage and internally its based on past glory's such as the 06 and 08 drafts.

I'd guess that it has more to do with Hine having little to do with the type of players we're recruiting.

It's like when your partner is cooking dinner and sends you down to the supermarket with a shopping list. Who gets the blame for the dinner tasting bland?

 

[ThePhantom777]

His been gone for years now. The bulk of that list was put together by Hamish Ogilvie. Side note Olgilvie played in the 1986 under 19s premiership

He was there from 2007 to early 2012.
Drafted Talia (13) and Gunston (29) in 2009. Took Phil Davis (10) and Rory Sloane (pick 43!) in 2008. Took Dangerfield (10) and Tex Walker (last pick of the draft 75) in 2007.
2 key backs, a key forward, 2 jet mids and a talent in Gunston. He did alright

 

[Seedsfan]

He was there from 2007 to early 2012.
Drafted Talia (13) and Gunston (29) in 2009. Took Phil Davis (10) and Rory Sloane (pick 43!) in 2008. Took Dangerfield (10) and Tex Walker (last pick of the draft 75) in 2007.
2 key backs, a key forward, 2 jet mids and a talent in Gunston. He did alright

You can't count Tex he was living in Broken Hill sent a tape to Adelaide as he was a life long fan and asked for a chance as a NSW scholarship player

 

[Scodog10]

I'd guess that it has more to do with Hine having little to do with the type of players we're recruiting.

It's like when your partner is cooking dinner and sends you down to the supermarket with a shopping list. Who gets the blame for the dinner tasting bland?

Do you think anyone outside the recruiting team develops the list we take into draft day? He's ultimately responsible for the players we bring in to the club as head of recruiting. As a list management committee they no doubt set the mandate for the list in terms of what our weightings need to look like, but it is ultimately up to the recruiting department to put that all together.

In your analogy there's nothing wrong with the ingredients when they leave the shelf so it's the cooks fault if the end product is no good. In terms of our list we've dropped the ball and it's better to own that and look for a solution than trying to apportion blame across the board.

FWIW by no means do I think he's done a poor job if anything the board have let him down by allowing his department to become underresourced, but I'm content handing out criticisim where its warranted an unfortunately its warranted in this case despite previous good service.

 

[ThePhantom777]

You can't count Tex he was living in Broken Hill sent a tape to Adelaide as he was a life long fan and asked for a chance as a NSW scholarship player

The took him on, they didn't have to. He's counted.

 

[nahnah]

What pick is sproule going at? Looked pretty good from what I've seen

 

[76woodenspooners]

The took him on, they didn't have to. He's counted.

Yeah, but his draft position in no way indicated his value - kinda like how we picked up Jarrod Witts for pick 67.

 

[adammania9]

What pick is sproule going at? Looked pretty good from what I've seen

He's good but he's a Giants academy boy and you can bet your house they'll bring him in with Stewart on the out.

 

[nahnah]

He's good but he's a Giants academy boy and you can bet your house they'll bring him in with Stewart on the out.

Of course he is

 

[Saintly Viewed]

Sorry,if I may indulge in a laugh at the hand wringing re recruitment.
Clubs get on average one pick per 18 picks.
And some make it sound like its so simple.
And best part they do it with the benefit of hindsight, often years later.

That's a ROFL.

If only it was oh so simple.
I can only relate what a recruiter (from a successful side too) conveyed in my presence: Derek Hine is as well regarded as anyway in recruiting.

He's not perfect, he's not infallible he's just a recruiter. He's well regarded and respected.
Given the picks he's had he's done well, actually I think hes one of our very best assets.
Randell likewise is well regarded....
But here we are taking pot shots at an inexact science.

Yes, it's a shame we don't we the flag every single year, and we don't get every single draft pick right.
But if people don't get the draft is a crap shoot, with educated guesses, then sorry they are more delusional than I am.

We are selecting kids, literally, in the draft and making value judgments about them being players years later.

Sorry on this one, too pot shot recruiters is pretty lame in my view.

(Ps I don't care for the in Hine we trust thing either, but it's mostly a fun thing not to be taken seriously)

My two cents worth (and two cents is rounded down these days )