Autopsy Pies V Dogs post match analysis

[TradeDraft]

He did look very good against the Blues before getting injured. He was up against a very good senior ruckman ans is still developing. Give him time. As to picks 18, 19 and 20 they still look good. Grundy has plenty of potential and the other 2 look capable of being AFL standard at least with time. I favour Kennedy as the better of the 2.

People have overexpected a bit from this trio because we gave up flag players to get them and also because of the constant referral to them as 1st round draft picks. This is almost said at times with a mystical certainty of success. Although technically they were in the 1st round of choices that was only because of team expansion and draft concessions. Historically these number picks have always been 2nd round. More instructive I believe is to look at the history of picks 18, 19 and 20. Occasional gems, some solid types and plenty who didn't make it. Remember our picks of Stanley, Cook, Nixon etc around this mark. If we can get 3 payers out of 18.19, 20 and 1 of them, I favour Grundy, becomes very good and the other 2 regular B-C graders we will have done alright with these picks.

Grundy also looked good vs Hawks who had Ceglar and McEovy Rucking.

I find people Rating of Players can Change from Game to Game

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

Madness. Cloke is one of the best key forwards in the comp. Period.

Perhaps the silliest thing you said was Cloke hasnt been that great the last couple of years. Remember a couple of years ago in 2013 when Cloke had arguably his best season, AA, just missed the Coleman, was a contested marking behemoth. Yes he carried injuries in 2014 and was down but expect him to be better this year. Fortunately our MC wont have such a knee jerk response

Was it 13? or 12?

 

[McGuanes Seven]

Over the years we as a club have prided ourselves on helping the other clubs eg Melb. always get Queens Birthday as a home game.
We helped out the Bulldogs with fund raising/membership in the past., (can't recall the details).

This year is no different.
Peter Gordon asked Ed for some help to which the response was "mate we're already helping via the taxes and equalisation fund and distributions, what more do you want?"
PG - mate we need to sell hope, everybody knows the life blood of a club is membership, we need members!!
EM - our memberships numbers are all above board/bone fide - I can't go giving you any.
PG - it's our last game before the real stuff starts and if we don't play well, we can't sell hope for the year
EM - leave it with me


PS:Only bit that wasn't factored in is how good Bonts looks

I would love for there to be some explanation like this which would explain the poor performance. I would also love the explanation of why some of the moves I was looking for didn't happen - like Gault and Cloke in the same forward 50 for most of the game or White off a wing being - was because Bucks is holding that back for the full season.

I think that the reality of the explanation is a combination of a lack of urgency because there were no premiership points; substantial self preservation (amongst some more than others) to avoid injury; the team being yet to properly gel or for everyone to properly understand their individual roles; a playing list with a number of players whose currently demonstrated skill level does not see them as warranting a place in the side; and either a coaching focus on different things to those I see as a priority (forward set up, Cloke's leading patterns, who takes kick ins, exit from back line tactics, ball carrier etc) or a widespread inability to follow coaching instructions by players.

Most of the player issues should improve from Round 1 and progressively thereafter.

 

[Gone Critical]

We looked our Best in the NAB Challenge when he was not there

We looked good in NAB 1 playing almost the Hawks VFL team. It was a match we were always going to look good in. Better now we fix our midfield and delivery problems. Do that and Cloke wont be seen as a problem at all just as our gun KPF who is a beast

 

[Gone Critical]

Was it 13? or 12?

2013 and 2011 were his 2 best years. AA both times.

 

[Ancient Tiger]

Sorry to intrude guys.

I would ignore the result. You really are not aiming for a flag this year. In 2017 you'll have an excellent team as you have recruited well. You are probably asking too much of the youngsters to be good all year this year. They will surprise many teams this year though. Keep the faith and stay on course IMVHO.

 

[Manic Magpie]

So you saying Hine F**KED up the 2012 Draft and He position should be looked at?

How did I guess you would make an extreme reaction? Actually, I do think that Hine's draft selections need to be reassessed in light of the sameness of so many of our players and their overall poor skill level. Whether this means he loses his job, is simply removed from his new additional roles or remains in all his current roles is up to the club.

As far as Grundy is concerned, I am merely questioning what has happened to his leap and if he is likely to become more of a physical presence around the ground. The other two boys had better become regular contributors this year or their high draft selections will be questioned by supporters. Unfortunately theirs' was one of those drafts where all the good taller midfield players (except Grundy) were gone by our pick.

 

[TradeDraft]

How did I guess you would make an extreme reaction? Actually, I do think that Hine's draft selections need to be reassessed in light of the sameness of so many of our players and their overall poor skill level. Whether this means he loses his job, is simply removed from his new additional roles or remains in all his current roles is up to the club.

As far as Grundy is concerned, I am merely questioning what has happened to his leap and if he is likely to become more of a physical presence around the ground. The other two boys had better become regular contributors this year or their high draft selections will be questioned by supporters. Unfortunately theirs' was one of those draft where all the good taller midfield players (except Grundy) were gone by our pick.

Well we are still a few years away from knowing a Answer.

I think that Broomhead and Kennedy should start making a impact this season.

Be big year for these 3 I reckon

 

[Manic Magpie]

Well we are still a few years away from knowing a Answer.

I think that Broomhead and Kennedy should start making a impact this season.

Be big year for these 3 I reckon

For their sake, the team's sake and our sake, it had better be a big year for all 3.

 

[Maggie5]

The poll results are looking very interesting.
I voted who cares, NAB cup and was between that and the one above.
I might be more concerned if we haven't been competitive after 5 games but for now, will be patient.

 

[Old Spice]

IF we have to Rely on Witts for the Whole Season. Then Hine Stuffed up by not Chasing Giles harder from GWS. He would been better then Varcoe

Not at all. Some time away to get fit will whet Grundy's appetite and he can step in fresh if Witts needs a spell.

 

[DinoSoar]

Yes, just on the poll I see there are 12 opposition posters voting despite the warning of copping a whack if choosing to do so - hope they got carded for trolling.

 

[Old Spice]

Was it 13? or 12?

Cloke was the leading contested mark 4 years running I'm pretty sure up to last year where Hawkins took the mantle and Cloke dropped to 13th or so.

 

[Old Spice]

The poll results are looking very interesting.
I voted who cares, NAB cup and was between that and the one above.
I might be more concerned if we haven't been competitive after 5 games but for now, will be patient.

As Bucks noted in the post-game presser, we lost by 70 points in round 1 last year and then went on to go 8/3 to the break. Whether that happens again who knows but in the last 2 NAB games we got belted early then steadied the ship and clawed back/broke even.

 

[popin]

Yes, just on the poll I see there are 12 opposition posters voting despite the warning of copping a whack if choosing to do so - hope they got carded for trolling.

Name and shame them. Milux again from the bears, he likes to post about us and bag us so it's nothing new from him.

The dog's have some good kids, they took the high risk high reward pulling the trigger on draft picks by picking Bont, Macrae and Stringer who are all 190cm big bodied players and now Boyd.

 

[domin8tors]

Was just an excuse buckley used after the final loss against port, deflection at its best.

As the Great Leigh Matthews said about Akermanis. you put up with players when you are winning and they are performing. but when you lose then it's time to cut them.. and that's exactly what buckley has done..

 

[domin8tors]

and That why he should of stayed as the 2nd KPF and not 3rd KPF who goes thru the Ruck

The only thing with that is at the time the decision was made and purely based on that years form Lynch was by far the dominate player. i suspect Bucks was chasing a flag with at the time that crop of players and felt lynch had the more immediate impact as the Leigh brown type role. having our time again perhaps Dawes would have stayed.

 

[THATSGOLD]

Sorry to intrude guys.

I would ignore the result. You really are not aiming for a flag this year. In 2017 you'll have an excellent team as you have recruited well. You are probably asking too much of the youngsters to be good all year this year. They will surprise many teams this year though. Keep the faith and stay on course IMVHO.

2017? Buckley started in 2012 sounds like a 5 year plan. But we aren't Richmond...

 

[Gambit78]

2017? Buckley started in 2012 sounds like a 5 year plan. But we aren't Richmond...

Three year plan, really. Made finals in 2012 & 2013. I believe we would have made the GF in 2012 if JMac hadn't died. Rebuild started to take effect end of 2013 into last year, onwards and upwards next year going into 2017. Nothing like Richmond.

 

[King Bont]

I think most of us (outside of the senseless rageaholics like the one mentioned) understand very well that we had no play on Bontempelli.

The suggestion is rather that the Dogs may have bumped him up their order off the hard work of our recruiting department and this suspicion lingers. There is no way of knowing whether it is true and quite possibly they had their own homework done on him.

The reason this conspiracy theory developed was pretty obvious. Up until the final week of the draft Bontempelli was only being discussed as a 10-15 type of pick, perhaps firming as a late top 10 at best. To that point taking him ahead of the settled top four Aish, Schareberg etc. would have been seen as a fairly strident risk. With strong rumours circulating that we were right into him and had been heavily linked and persistent media talk of him being the 'next Pendlebury' other recruiting departments may have done a late due diligence on him to ensure they were not missing out on the 'next Pendlebury', well aware of how the Pies had snared the actual Pendlebury in the 2005 draft.

The idea is not so far fetched when you consider it. Recruiting departments have finite resources and often miss players true capabilities until given a reason to sniff in that direction. Its a game of poker at the end of a game of homework.

Its hard to imagine what might have been when you see him tearing us up on Saturday.

But either way, I'm no longer beating myself up over it. We move on and place our hope in Scharenberg and others who wear the black and white. And as one poster astutely noted, if that was the story of that draft, then purely and simply Hine and co. just have to learn to 'shut the hell up.'

Side by side.

Sorry to bring up an old thread guys! The thing that sucks about having Bontempelli, a big team like Collingwood will probably poach him from us when he reaches his peak in 5 years time! We may well just be keeping him warm for you !!
Good luck on the upcoming season guys and prove the doubters wrong! Go pies!

 

[Apex36]

Sorry to bring up an old thread guys! The thing that sucks about having Bontempelli, a big team like Collingwood will probably poach him from us when he reaches his peak in 5 years time! We may well just be keeping him warm for you !!
Good luck on the upcoming season guys and prove the doubters wrong! Go pies!

We can only hope! The kid is a jet, was really disappointed when your mob picked him up. I wanted him at 6 and McCarthy at 10. Needless to say I didn't get my wish in 2013

 

[Soaring Magpie]

We can only hope! The kid is a jet, was really disappointed when your mob picked him up. I wanted him at 6 and McCarthy at 10. Needless to say I didn't get my wish in 2013

If only our two selections hadn't of been injured and missed the entire 2014 you might have a different opinion, I reckon our two boys will be terrific once they can get on the park

 

[King Bont]

If only our two selections hadn't of been injured and missed the entire 2014 you might have a different opinion, I reckon our two boys will be terrific once they can get on the park

Scharenberg wasnt a top rated junior for nothing!

 

[King Bont]

If only our two selections hadn't of been injured and missed the entire 2014 you might have a different opinion, I reckon our two boys will be terrific once they can get on the park

who was it at Collingwood that leaked it to the media that the pies were interested in the Bont? Surely that is a big "no no"

 

[Apex36]

If only our two selections hadn't of been injured and missed the entire 2014 you might have a different opinion, I reckon our two boys will be terrific once they can get on the park

I'm not sure what you mean by opinion? I was just stating who I wanted before the 2013 draft.
I'll leave my judgement until they start playing senior games, but I agree, I think Berg and Freeman will both be outstanding players.